Monkeys and Lemurs of Thailand dd

[ChiangMai noon]

I've had the misfortune of seeing your pic.

god you are a miserable bastard aren't you.
one step higher than cantona on the food chain which still leaves you several behind a ring tailed monkey.

[Lily]

several behind a ring tailed monkey.

Are there ring tailed monkeys? We have ring tailed possums, which look a bit like little monkeys.

Still a fish thread William. Lots of slimeys around here.

[ChiangMai noon]

I think it's a monkey.
is a lemur a monkey?

[benbaaa]

Lemurs aren't monkeys. Monkeys aren't lemurs. They aren't the same at all. In fact I would go so far as to say they are different. Lemurs are, however, primates. So I can see why you might be confused.

[ChiangMai noon]

Lemurs are, however, primates. So I can see why you might be confused.

OK.
my interest is piqued.
can you expand on what makes some primates a monkey?
I know I could google it but I use forums to avoid having to.

Only yesterday somebody commented on my excellent computer knowledge. I don't think he was being sarcastic either.
Have to thank LOM Surasak and even Marmite for that.

[Lily]

Thanks Noonie. Our possums are named ring tail for a different reason I think, but monkeys and possums do look alike don't they?



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[benbaaa]

Funny you should ask, as I was just explaining this to some five-year-olds yersterday. Basically, in older classifications, the Primates were divided into two superfamilies: Prosimii and Anthropoidea. The Prosimii included all of the prosimians: all of Strepsirrhini plus the tarsiers. The Anthropoidea contained all of the simians.

In modern, cladistic reckonings, the Primate order is also a true clade. The suborder Strepsirrhini, the "wet-nosed" primates, split off from the primitive primate line about 63 million years ago (mya). The seven strepsirhine families are the four related lemur families and the three remaining families that include the lorises, the Aye-aye, the galagos, and the pottos.[3] Some classification schemes wrap the Lepilemuridae into the Lemuridae and the Galagidae into the Lorisidae, yielding a three-two family split instead of the four-three split as presented here.[3] Other lineages of lower primates inhabited Earth. During the Eocene, most of the northern continents were dominated by two dominant groups, the adapids and the omomyids. The former is considered a member of Strepsirrhini, but it does not have a tooth-comb like modern lemurs. The latter was related closely to tarsiers, monkeys, and apes. Adapids survived until 10 mya; omomyids on the other hand perished 20 million years earlier.

The Aye-aye is difficult to place in Strepsirrhini.[3] Its family, Daubentoniidae, could be a lemuriform primate and its ancestors split from lemur line more recently than the lemurs and lorises split, about 50 mya. Otherwise it is sister to all of the other strepsirrhines, in which case in evolved away from the main strepsirrhine line between 50 and 63 mya.

The suborder Haplorrhini, the "dry-nosed" primates, is composed of two sister clades.[3] The prosimian tarsiers in family Tarsiidae (monotypic in its own infraorder Tarsiiformes), represent the most primitive division at about 58 mya. The Simiiformes infraorder contains the two parvorders: the New World monkeys in one, and the Old World monkeys, humans and the other apes in the other.[3] This division happened about 40 mya. However about 30 mya, three groups split from the main haplorrhine lineage. One group stayed in Asia and are closest in kin to the "dawn monkey" Eosimias. The second stayed in Africa, where they developed into the Old World primates. The third rafted to South America to become the New World monkeys. Mysteriously the aboriginal Asian Haplorrhini vanished from record once Africa collided with Eurasia 24 mya. Apes and monkeys spread into Europe and Asia. Close behind came lorises and tarsiers, also African castaways. The first hominid fossils were discovered in Northern Africa and date back 7 mya. Modern humans did not appear until 0.2 mya, eventually becoming the most prevalent primate and mammal on Earth.

The discovery of new species happens at a rate of a few new species each year, and the evaluation of current populations as distinct species is in flux. Colin Groves lists about 350 species of primates in Primate Taxonomy in 2001.[4] The recently published third edition of Mammal Species of the World (2005) lists 376 species.[3] But even MSW3's list falls short of current understanding as its collection cutoff was in 2003, and a number publications since MSW3 push the number of species up to 405. Notable new species not listed in MSW3 include the Bemaraha Woolly Lemur (Avahi cleesei) (named after British actor and lemur enthusiast John Cleese) and the GoldenPalace.com Monkey (whose name was put up for auction).

Extant primate families

* ORDER PRIMATES
o Suborder Strepsirrhini: non-tarsier prosimians
+ Infraorder Lemuriformes
# Superfamily Cheirogaleoidea
* Family Cheirogaleidae: dwarf lemurs and mouse-lemurs (30 species)
# Superfamily Lemuroidea
* Family Lemuridae: lemurs (19 species)
* Family Lepilemuridae: sportive lemurs (22 species)
* Family Indriidae: woolly lemurs and allies (14 species)
+ Infraorder Chiromyiformes
# Family Daubentoniidae: Aye-aye (1 species)
+ Infraorder Lorisiformes
# Family Lorisidae: lorises, pottos and allies (9 species)
# Family Galagidae: galagos (19 species)
o Suborder Haplorrhini: tarsiers, monkeys and apes
+ Infraorder Tarsiiformes
# Family Tarsiidae: tarsiers (8 species)
+ Infraorder Simiiformes
# Parvorder Platyrrhini: New World monkeys
* Family Cebidae: marmosets, tamarins, capuchins and squirrel monkeys (56 species)
* Family Aotidae: night or owl monkeys (douroucoulis) (7 species)
* Family Pitheciidae: titis, sakis and uakaris (41 species)
* Family Atelidae: howler, spider and woolly monkeys (24 species)
# Parvorder Catarrhini
* Superfamily Cercopithecoidea
o Family Cercopithecidae: Old World monkeys (135 species)
* Superfamily Hominoidea
o Family Hylobatidae: gibbons or "lesser apes" (13 species)
o Family Hominidae: humans and other great apes (7 species)

See?

[slimboyfat]

those 5 year olds must be shit hot at english.

[benbaaa]

^ And Latin.

[Lily]

^Benbaa, did you ever watch Catweasel?

I think your av was the actor.

[benbaaa]

Weirdly, if you google catweasel you get stuff like this:

[Lily]

Sorry I misspelt it, but it was a great kids show, which I and my kids loved.


Catweazle was a Britishtelevision series in 1970, created and written by Richard Carpenter and produced by London Weekend Television under the LWI (London Weekend International) banner, and screened in the UK on ITV. There were two seasons with 13 episode of 25 minutes each.

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

The series featured Geoffrey Bayldon as the title character, an eccentric, incompetent, dishevelled and smelly (but lovable) old 11th Centurywizard who accidentally travels through time to the year 1970 and befriends a young red-headed boy, nicknamed Carrot (Robin Davies), who spends most of the rest of the series attempting to hide Catweazle from his father and farmhand Sam.
Meanwhile Catweazle searches for a way to return to his own time whilst hiding out in 'Castle Saburac', a disused water tower, with his 'Familiar', a toad called Touchwood.

The second series featured a 12-part riddle which Catweazle, once more transported to 1970sEngland, attempts to solve one clue per episode, with the solution (as he thinks) being revealed in the 13th.
Catweazle mistakes all modern technology for powerful magic(see also Clarke's third law), particularly 'electrickery' (electricity) and the 'telling bone' (telephone).
This acclaimed series for children (though also much enjoyed by adults) evokes fond memories of a more innocent time, set in idyllic English countryside.

[ozman]

Thanks Noonie. Our possums are named ring tail for a different reason I think, but monkeys and possums do look alike don't they?



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That little possum must be having a hell of a time trying to hump that big possum

[kingwilly]

^Benbaa, did you ever watch Catweasel?

I think your av was the actor.

i hated catweasel

[danbo]

i hated catweasel

It's all a bit freaky for me. I once hung around with some brothers who had a secret camp in a large water tank. It was just like catweazel's lair. We'd go there and smoke cigarettes and do push-ups. It was all good fun but then they started lighting fires in dry grass of the farmers' fields and roadside banks. I went all scaredy-cat and ran away. This was a couple of weeks ago, I haven't been in touch with them since.

[sabang]

i hated catweasel

It's all a bit freaky for me. I once hung around with some brothers who had a secret camp in a large water tank. It was just like catweazel's lair. We'd go there and smoke cigarettes and do push-ups. It was all good fun but then they started lighting fires in dry grass of the farmers' fields and roadside banks. I went all scaredy-cat and ran away. This was a couple of weeks ago, I haven't been in touch with them since.

As long as they were nice to you.
You sound like you should carry your own lube.


BTW, possums are tough mofo's, and cats come off distinctly second best. A monkey of equivalent size stands no chance.

[stroller]

As long as they were nice to you.
You sound like you should carry your own lube.

Do you buy fancy bells and ribbons, dress them up and take them to bed with you?

[danbo]

'Contrary to the 'urban myth' Lemurs do not commit suicide by jumping off of cliffs; so you are not helping if you pick them up and throw them off'

^That was verbatim from my case notes.

[sabang]

As long as they were nice to you.
You sound like you should carry your own lube.

Do you buy fancy bells and ribbons, dress them up and take them to bed with you? Do they have the same status as dogs?

Maybe some sheep-shagging Welshman or dog-sodomising yank can answer this?

Listen mate I'm an Aussie and we only do that with sexy sheep.

[danbo]

'Contrary to the 'urban myth' Lemurs do not commit suicide by jumping off of cliffs; so you are not helping if you pick them up and throw them off'

^That was verbatim from my case notes.

Oops, I didn't mean lemurs, I meant lemons. Apologies to anyone who plagiarised the initial post as part of their PhD dissertation.

[Propagator]

Oops, I didn't mean lemurs, I meant lemons.

Sir I believe you mean 'lemmings'. Lemons are those things that you squeeze on to your pancake.

[sabang]

Assisted suicide i.e. Euthanasia seems a fine PHD thesis.
Euthanasia practised upon Lemurs is so obscure you are bound to pass, But you must post your case studies here.

[dirtydog]

Lemmings jump off cliffs, david attenborough done a documentry on it, trouble is the ones he done a documentry didn't jump off cliffs, so they made them jump off the cliff, a few years later it all came out, luckily this was the early 80's so killing and murdering animals was still ok, ie, things like seal clubbing was considered a fun sport, although the media did draw the line about sticking fireworks up pet cats bums and lighting them at that time.

[sabang]

Lemmings jump off cliffs, david attenborough done a documentry on it, trouble is the ones he done a documentry didn't jump off cliffs, so they made them jump off the cliff, a few years later it all came out, luckily this was the early 80's so killing and murdering animals was still ok, ie, things like seal clubbing was considered a fun sport, although the media did draw the line about sticking fireworks up pet cats bums and lighting them at that time.

Your dog is human and liberal compared to you DD.

[dirtydog]

I didn't stick fireworks up cats bums, but that was a common sport in the 80s.