Thread: Newcastle accepts £35m for Andy Carrol

Breaking News:

Liverpool forget the decimal place in their bid for Andy Carroll.

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Breaking News:

Liverpool forget the decimal place in their bid for Andy Carroll.

£3.5 mill ,,yea that would maybe make sense.

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Liverpool forget the decimal place in their bid for Andy Carroll.

Somebody nicked it.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

It's a good signing, an inflated fee but Liverpool needed to get the deal done. They would have been in an awkward situation if they had no Torres or Carroll this morning, and keeping Torres against his will until the summer instead of paying the extra for Carroll would have been self defeating.

Clear case of a panic-buy if I've ever seen one. Pool would have been fine by just replacing Torres with Suarez. Let's face it, they're not gonna get relegated, nor will they make top 4 this season. Much wiser to save the Torres/Babel money for the summer transfer market when there's more players available and prices are cheaper.
Blowing 35 mil on Carroll whilst ignoring other areas in the team(quality defender and winger) is pretty stupid imo.

Originally Posted by The Muffinman

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

It's a good signing, an inflated fee but Liverpool needed to get the deal done. They would have been in an awkward situation if they had no Torres or Carroll this morning, and keeping Torres against his will until the summer instead of paying the extra for Carroll would have been self defeating.

Clear case of a panic-buy if I've ever seen one. Pool would have been fine by just replacing Torres with Suarez. Let's face it, they're not gonna get relegated, nor will they make top 4 this season. Much wiser to save the Torres/Babel money for the summer transfer market when there's more players available and prices are cheaper.
Blowing 35 mil on Carroll whilst ignoring other areas in the team(quality defender and winger) is pretty stupid imo.

Exactly. I doubt that Newcastle's owner will use that money to strengthen his team either..

Originally Posted by kmart

I doubt that Newcastle's owner will use that money to strengthen his team either..

I heard last night that Mike Ashley re-financed the club for 40 million to keep the squad intact when they spent last year in the Championship.
Guess that loan will get paid off pronto.

Originally Posted by The Muffinman

Clear case of a panic-buy if I've ever seen one. Pool would have been fine by just replacing Torres with Suarez. Let's face it, they're not gonna get relegated, nor will they make top 4 this season. Much wiser to save the Torres/Babel money for the summer transfer market when there's more players available and prices are cheaper.

Babel didn't go anywhere

Babel went to Hoffenheim, please try and keep up.
Ryan Babel – The departure of Liverpool’s Dutch enigma | Football | The Sport Review

Billed as one of Europe’s most exciting young prospects, the Dutch winger moved to Merseyside for £11.5m in 2007. As he arrived from Ajax, Babel drew a favourable comparison to Thierry Henry from AC Milan legend Marco van Basten, who claimed he had “all the potential” to emulate the Arsenal striker.

I hope the geordies go down,I get tired of hearing what such a big club they are and how great their fans are.

I was sitting with a group of Brits in Harry's Bar (behind Orchard Towers in Singapore) and Steve McMahon walked in.

Well everyone in that group were giving it big to him but he just put his hands up and said neither player (Torres or Carrol) was worth the money but business is business.

I reckon he just explained what is wrong with football and the people who are involved in it.

It ain't about the game, club loyalty or the supporters who pay to watch their teams play week in, week out season after season.

It's all about the money,,,,,,,show me that fooking money.

According to ESPN Babel played the other night for TSG Hoffenheim and got a yellow card

Babel.
He's here, he's there, he's everyfuckinwhere.

Originally Posted by The Muffinman

Clear case of a panic-buy if I've ever seen one. Pool would have been fine by just replacing Torres with Suarez. Let's face it, they're not gonna get relegated, nor will they make top 4 this season. Much wiser to save the Torres/Babel money for the summer transfer market when there's more players available and prices are cheaper.
Blowing 35 mil on Carroll whilst ignoring other areas in the team(quality defender and winger) is pretty stupid imo.

I think you're wrong about that. Shearer has said that Dalglish has been inquiring about Carroll's progress for months, he is clearly their top target when it comes to centre forwards. They haven't just looked around in desperation and plumped for the first forward they could get their hands on in a panic, they really wanted him. Besides, who says they could have got him significantly cheaper in the summer?


Liverpool may not get relegated or finish in the top four (although both are still a possibility at this moment in time), but qualifying for the Europa League will be worth the best part of £20 million to the club. With no Torres or Carroll to lead the line, and a squad further demoralised by seeing yet another transfer window where a key player departs and adequate replacements don't arrive, chances are they would not achieve that.

The effect on squad morale of a poor end to the season could lead to other players submitting transfer requests in the summer. With the arrival of both Suarez and Carroll it now feels like the rebuilding process has seriously begun, and the owners have shown they are prepared to sanction the sort of transfer fees it takes to get the players they want.

Looking to just replace Torres with Suarez for now i think would have been a poor idea, and a big gamble. Suarez is not the same sort of player as Torres, and in coming to the premier league he will be having to adapt to a higher standard of football, as well as the pace and physicality of the league. He would be in a situation where he would absolutely have to hit the ground running, for both Liverpool's and his own sake, and the pressure on him would be immense.

As for not buying players to sort out all the problem areas in the team being stupid, did you seriously expect them to manage to do all of that in the January transfer window? They dealt with the area that had the biggest weakness in the squad, the other areas can be resolved in the summer. Seems pretty sensible to me. Besides, they did also try to sign a winger and a central midfielder but neither deal could be agreed.

They have had to pay an inflated fee to get him, even more so because of the situation Torres' late transfer request caused, but they also received a similarly inflated one for Torres. And let's look at some of the other recent top deals that this one eclipses, £32.5m for Robinho, £31m for an almost 28 year old Berbatov with little potential resale value and limited years left at the top, i would take the Carroll deal all day long over those. So it's not really that ridiculous when put into context.

I think it was good to get the deal done, it saves a lot of unrest, and hopefully now they can finish the season reasonably well.

Good post and you make interesting observations.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

think you're wrong about that. Shearer has said that Dalglish has been inquiring about Carroll's progress for months, he is clearly their top target when it comes to centre forwards. They haven't just looked around in desperation and plumped for the first forward they could get their hands on in a panic, they really wanted him. Besides, who says they could have got him significantly cheaper in the summer?

It's possible that Carroll was Dalglish's preferred target, but by not having any other targets Mike Ashleigh took Pool to the cleaners. If they'd waited till the summer there would've been more targets available. As it stands the transfer of Andy Carroll is the 8th highest in the history of football. To me and probably many others that's just surreal.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

Liverpool may not get relegated or finish in the top four (although both are still a possibility at this moment in time), but qualifying for the Europa League will be worth the best part of £20 million to the club. With no Torres or Carroll to lead the line, and a squad further demoralised by seeing yet another transfer window where a key player departs and adequate replacements don't arrive, chances are they would not achieve that.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

The effect on squad morale of a poor end to the season could lead to other players submitting transfer requests in the summer. With the arrival of both Suarez and Carroll it now feels like the rebuilding process has seriously begun, and the owners have shown they are prepared to sanction the sort of transfer fees it takes to get the players they want.

Fair points.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

Looking to just replace Torres with Suarez for now i think would have been a poor idea, and a big gamble. Suarez is not the same sort of player as Torres, and in coming to the premier league he will be having to adapt to a higher standard of football, as well as the pace and physicality of the league. He would be in a situation where he would absolutely have to hit the ground running, for both Liverpool's and his own sake, and the pressure on him would be immense.

Don't agree with that. Torres had hardly been firing on all cylinders in the last 6 months. Granted Suarez comes in from the Eredivisie but he's always scored goals there and at international level. I believe he will at least match Torres' form from the first half of the season.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

As for not buying players to sort out all the problem areas in the team being stupid, did you seriously expect them to manage to do all of that in the January transfer window? They dealt with the area that had the biggest weakness in the squad, the other areas can be resolved in the summer. Seems pretty sensible to me. Besides, they did also try to sign a winger and a central midfielder but neither deal could be agreed.

I never said for them to do it in the Jan window, hang on to the cash till the summer when there are more options and deals are cheaper.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

They have had to pay an inflated fee to get him, even more so because of the situation Torres' late transfer request caused, but they also received a similarly inflated one for Torres. And let's look at some of the other recent top deals that this one eclipses, £32.5m for Robinho, £31m for an almost 28 year old Berbatov with little potential resale value and limited years left at the top, i would take the Carroll deal all day long over those. So it's not really that ridiculous when put into context.

Looking at it in another way, it's also possible that Liverpool have just spunked 35 mil on Kevin Phillips mark ll.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

I think it was good to get the deal done, it saves a lot of unrest, and hopefully now they can finish the season reasonably well.

I think you overpaid by about 15 million.

Originally Posted by The Muffinman

but by not having any other targets Mike Ashleigh took Pool to the cleaners.

No, Ashley took the Newcastle fans to the cleaners, as always.

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

True,
What Kop legend went the other way?

Big Micky Quinn, fat boy and a loveable guy, i am an EFC supporter but who cannot like this guy ?
Not exactly a kopshite legend but he still wore the filthy red.

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Eddie you do talk a lot of sense and then the bias kicks in, but take a look at Bobcocks dream team.
Suarez is worth 1 and a half times the amount of Carrol, and even though its a fantasy or dream team, in reality that makes sense.

Suarez 22 mill, so Carroll should be 15 million, sounds about right

How can you even mention Carrol in the same breath as Berbatov?

Have you seen Berbys flicks and tricks?

You've bought a player for 35 million who has after a good 6 months at the highest level, the potential to be great.

He also has the potential to be a useless fuck.

Mike Ashley must be laughing his cock off

And as for King Kenny who has been out the game for 20 years sending out his spies, The whole world saw Carrolls England debut, lame and subbed if i remember right
He aint no Rooney,
and when you talk about the rest of the squad putting in transfer requests if they didnt sign a big name(haha) would that be a bad thing ?

I think this is your bias talking a little bit.

I rated Carroll before he moved to Liverpool, and hoped we would sign him whether Torres decided to stay or not, my opinion of him is not based on this move. I don't think dream team value is a particularly good way to go about judging a player's worth to their team, and personally i remember him being one of England's best performers on his debut, in what was generally a poor team performance.

Your line about Berbatov and Carroll tells me you either seriously over rate Berbatov, or you under rate Carroll.

I think you may also have missed my point regarding their transfers. Berbatov was almost 28 when United bought him for £31m, he has a short time left at the top, and little resale value.

He has had two average seasons at best prior to this one, and even this year his performances have been patchy, a good start to the season followed by a prolonged spell of a return to the form we had become used to seeing in the previous two years, followed by a good return to goalscoring form in a small handful of games against weak teams. He's starting to get closer to what they wanted from him, but it is very unlikely he will ever come close to justifying his price tag, and in a couple of years time they'll probably need to spend big again to find a replacement for him.

Your line about Carroll having the potential to be great and also the potential to be a useless fuck sounds exactly how i would describe Berbatov's game in general in his time at United, with not so much of the great and a whole lot of average.

At least you know with Carroll that every time he steps on the pitch the opposition centrebacks are going to know they're in a game, and he may have a different skill set to Dimitar but it's a potentially awesome one and he's unplayable at times, as Liverpool have already found out this season.

Carroll is 22, and will improve over the next few years. He can play for Liverpool for the next six years and they'll still get a lot of their money back if they decide to sell him then. His transfer at £35m looks like a far better investment than the money spent on Berbatov, and i'd be surprised if you can't see that. They are both heavily inflated prices though.

It's similar to when United signed Ferdinand in 2002. Many people thought that £30 million was a ridiculous fee for a centreback then, it broke the British transfer record, and i believe he's still the most expensive centreback of all time. In todays money it's the equivalent of well over £40 million, but over the last eight and a half years, and the expectation of more to come, United have had sufficient good service for it to have worked out as a good deal for them. It would be a much more dubious decision to spend that sort of sum on the 28 year old Ferdinand six years later though.

And just for interest, here's what Rio thinks about Carroll

rioferdy5: Carrol has huge potential no doubt,is 35m still not a hefty sum of money in this recession we r meant to be in!?He will be top player #fact

I think as everyone has mentioned Carroll has got everything in his locker,The key to his success will be how they manage him off the pitch.Someone at Liverpool
needs to really walk hand and hand with this kid and make sure his focus is purely on his football.I like him as a player,But when you watch him mouth off at defenders you can tell he has short fuse,That for me is the only reason the £35m will be deemed as bad business in years to come.

He certainly needs to calm down a little and sort his lifestyle out off the pitch.