Thailand : Former Coup Maker to Accepts Invitation to Join Cabinet

**Perota** · 05-06-2010, 12:47 PM

Just make it simple.

Until 2006 Thailand was the leading democracy in South East Asia, stable government, flourishing economy, some problems of course but which country doesn't have problem ?

Since 2006, we had a military coup, an international airport shutdown (some people may not realize it but that's a MAJOR blemish on Thailand reputation), and finally riots and Bangkok downtown on fire.

And you call that an improvement ?

Fuck, how do I miss Thaksin !

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

Until 2006 Thailand was the leading democracy in South East Asia,

don't think so, but you are welcome to substantiate with evidence ?

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

Since 2006, we had a military coup, an international airport shutdown (some people may not realize it but that's a MAJOR blemish on Thailand reputation), and finally riots and Bangkok downtown on fire.

political instability, economically it's doing better

unless you are an English teacher of course,

Originally Posted by Perota

Fuck, how do I miss Thaksin !

yes despot leaders always offer great guidance to the impoverished minds,

**Perota** · 05-06-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Perota

Until 2006 Thailand was the leading democracy in South East Asia,

don't think so, but you are welcome to substantiate with evidence ?

I don't know ... just name an other contender for the top spot and lets talk about it

**Tom Sawyer** · 05-06-2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Buksida

The fact that nobodies been charged shows the pathetic state of law enforcement and HR in Thailand. No matter who is responsible, what sort of country doesn't bother investigating over 2,000 deaths?

indeed, but again you would assume that they have a functioning police, it's not the case here. To make things worse, it's acceptable here not to follow the rules, so why would those fools expect that one side follow the laws while the other doesn't ?

Zeroing in on the lack of law enforcement misses the bigger picture - it's just a symptom of the grander problem - that is 'a failed state'.

In descending order, find the police/LE:

1. A sitting Government that is subordinately cap-in-hand to others who tell it what to do - and are not answerable to the voters (did not win a plurality in tbhe last election some 3 years ago) - and censors opposition voices.
2. A military that continues to interfere with the democratic process and freedom of assembly and freedom of association
3. A court system that rules on cases arbitrarily, given its directions by pooyai - rather than jurisprudence - and operates in a system where precedence is immaterial, and has the power to disband political parties that did gain the plurailty.
4. Even when guilty verdicts and custodial sentences are imposed on hi-so people (very rare indeed), the guilty never serve the sentence (e.g. Moo Ham)
5. A corrupt bureaucracy that will work with the military and hi-so families to ensure tracks are sufficiently covered as their extended families enrich themselves at the expense of the public (Thailand's debt is something like 48% of GDP - in other words, much of the debt incurred is actually sitting in the savings accounts of the families of military/bureaucrats)
6. No law enforcement because it is only selectively enforced by Number 3 above - and a police force whose sole reason for being is to run extortion rackets, not solve crimes.

**Perota** · 05-06-2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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2. A military that continues to interfere with the democratic process and freedom of assembly and freedom of association

The problem is not with the military but with the politicians who need to understand they can't rely on a third party to solve their problem

**Mid** · 05-06-2010, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

The problem is not with the military

they do have to shoulder a portion of the blame , in any functioning democracy the military answers to the government of the day .

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

I don't know ... just name an other contender for the top spot and lets talk about it

India ?

anyway, Thailand actually slipped in 2006 from what they were in 2000.

**Mid** · 05-06-2010, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

Until 2006 Thailand was the leading democracy in South East Asia

Originally Posted by Butterfly

India ?

Geography ?

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Zeroing in on the lack of law enforcement misses the bigger picture - it's just a symptom of the grander problem - that is 'a failed state'.

you are failing to get the point,

the place is surrounded by greedy little monkey bastards just coming out of their trees. It was the same problem in Africa, and it's actually a common problem in most third world countries. When you have starved, there is no stopping to "level" that need.

**Perota** · 05-06-2010, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by Perota

The problem is not with the military

they do have to shoulder a portion of the blame , in any functioning democracy the military answers to the government of the day .

Not really, because in functioning democracy there is a political will to keep the army out of the government business.

Even about war, a French politician (Clemenceau) said "War is a too important matter to be left to the military"

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

Geography ?

maybe he meant the only "Democracy" in SE Asia ? but wait I thought Thailand wasn't a Democracy

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Perota

there is a political will to keep the army out of the government business.

and that's exactly the problem, there is no political will because you are dealing with children, they all rely on the military to save the day, they want and need the supervision because they know they will hurt themselves without it

Do you really think what happened in Cambodia would be an exception in the region ? it could have well happened here without the necessary supervision,

**Mid** · 05-06-2010, 01:48 PM

^^

no cigar bf , you called him and then failed to substantiate your point

of course that is SOP for you

**Slopperout** · 05-06-2010, 03:19 PM

Payback (big)time.

**Myofb** · 05-06-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by Perota

The problem is not with the military

they do have to shoulder a portion of the blame , in any functioning democracy the military answers to the government of the day .

Need to bear in mind that the horse has an owner and it isn't the government according to Prem. Given that, who should one blame if the horse pulls the cart in completely the wrong direction (well, completely the right direction so far as the owner and his sycophant bandit mates are concerned, but completely the wrong direction so far as the majority of people in Thailand are concerned).

The owner gets my vote, not the horse.

Plus, you have to consider that the horse is just a very stupid animal and doesn't have any clue about direction except not to shit in its own nose-bag.

Perhaps the most recent appointment to the government is only there to advise on where to dig the latrines...

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

no cigar bf , you called him and then failed to substantiate your point

well technically what he says is still wrong, there is no Democracy in Thailand, your words not mine

**Mid** · 05-06-2010, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

well technically what he says is still wrong, there is no Democracy in Thailand, your words not mine

trying hard to weasel out but no dice ,

you see it's you we are discussing and your words were

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Perota

Until 2006 Thailand was the leading democracy in South East Asia,

don't think so, but you are welcome to substantiate with evidence ?

which you followed with

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Perota

I don't know ... just name an other contender for the top spot and lets talk about it

India ?

anyway, Thailand actually slipped in 2006 from what they were in 2000.

and the problem for you is simply that India is not in SE Asia

leading me to make the following comment which I stand by .

Originally Posted by Mid

^^

no cigar bf , you called him and then failed to substantiate your point

of course that is SOP for you

**Butterfly** · 05-06-2010, 06:55 PM

mid, can you stop being a dumb seppo for once ?

he said leading Democracy in SE Asia, there is no Democracy in SE Asia

the mistake I made quoting India is irrelevant, dummy

**Mid** · 05-06-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the mistake I made quoting India is irrelevant

only to you ,

and your compounding the mistake by adding petty insults gives us all a fair idea of just what you are .

**Buksida** · 05-06-2010, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Myofb

Need to bear in mind that the horse has an owner and it isn't the government according to Prem. Given that, who sshould one blame if the horse pulls the cart in completely the wrong direction .....

The owner gets my vote, not the horse.

Plus, you have to consider that the horse is just a very stupid animal and doesn't have any clue about direction
except not to shit in its own nose bag

prem spoke of the horse, it's owner and the jockey. There was no mention of a cart or nose bag (how does a horse shit in it's own nose bag?).. Also, as stated, the horse is a stupid animal, so of course you wouln't vote for him (even if there were elections).

Things are Orwellian enough, best to avoid the animal far methaphors.
,
Ag

**Slopperout** · 06-06-2010, 02:24 AM

accepts invitation, thats one way of putting it.

**StrontiumDog** · 07-06-2010, 10:34 AM

Phaitoon says northern Democrat MPs' morale affected

Phaitoon says northern Democrat MPs' morale affected

Ex-labour minister Phaitoon Kaeothong Monday expressed strong dissatisfaction over his removal from the Cabinet, saying the move severely affected the morale of northern MPs.

Phaitoon complained that he is a senior party member but nobody consulted or informed him prior to his removal.

"Currently, I am in charge of 9 northern provinces and working with northern MPs to try to win more northern House seats. But now that I have no position, it will be no longer convenient for me to work hard. And I was removed without notice and this affected the morale of MPs and would-be candidates," Phaitoon said.

"I am a senior member so I should have been informed. What happened prompted outsiders to see that I have no power in the party and this affected the confidence in me."

He said he so far had no plan to form a new party.

The Nation

**Mordechai** · 07-06-2010, 12:21 PM

Haha, Abhisit getting shafted by his mates again, he really is a hand-puppet. Poor baby.

**Thaihome** · 07-06-2010, 12:48 PM

The lack of understanding displayed here of Thailand’s faction riddled politics is breathtaking. If people would try to put aside their western political paradigms and prejudices and take an objective look at what happened they would see that this was political move that cutout a dissident faction within the coalition and they actually ended up with a larger majority in the house.

With the seats from Sonthi’s Matubhum Party and further defections from the PPP, the coalition just continues to gain force.

This is probably why Abhisit is reconsidering the election timing. The remaining hardcore Thaksin supported factions are becoming more and more marginalized. There is a good reason to think that by the end of the year, the PPP will struggle to get 30% of the seats and coalition will win the election.

Of course for most here, faction politics is only bad when you are on the losing side, then it the elites and the military further entrenching their control. When this was done in 2001 and 2005 it was populist politics and done for the good of the people.
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