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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Ahh righto, so vaccinated people cannot catch the covids....

    How fucking dumb are you !!
    You're really not very good at this are you?

    Maybe a picture will be easier to understand.

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    Lucky Vietnam, getting Moderna or AZ.

    H NỘI — H Nội launched the first phase of a mass COVID-19 vaccination drive on Wednesday, starting with the downtown central district of Hon Kiếm since early morning.

    The district plans to administer some 4,000 doses a day at seven vaccination sites, including schools, currently empty of students with closure orders effective since early May at the start of the fourth wave.

    Nguyễn Quốc Hon, Vice Chairman of Hon Kiếm District People’s Committee, said that other than priority groups, the district would also consider expanding the eligible list to essential service workers and outbreak-hit areas.

    Workers in industrial zones in H Nội also start to get doses today.

    The inoculation drive starts July until April next year, with 5.1 million residents between 18-65 years old.
    16,000 doses of vaccine have been allocated for the district in this first leg, comprising 7,000 Moderna doses (donated by the US Government via COVAX) and the remaining AstraZeneca.

    People will not be allowed to choose which type of vaccine they would get. The doses are administered free of charge.


    Prior to the shot, everyone will have their medical records (especially known allergy history against any ingredient of the vaccine), temperatures and heart rate and blood pressure checked in order to prevent avoidable reactions.


    Those with problematic health issues detected during the screening process would be referred to get their shots at a hospital for proper observation.


    After getting the shots, all must remain at the site for one hour before they are allowed to leave.


    People will receive a copy of their vaccination records seven days later.


    Seats in the waiting areas are arranged to avoid crowding.


    H Nội residents could register for vaccine shots by inputting information on the national COVID-19 vaccination portal Cổng thong tin tiem chủng Covid-19 or the e-medical diary app (Sổ sức khoẻ điện tử, available on both iOS and Android), or ask for paper registrations from ward/commune authorities.

    The capital city strives to administer up to 200,000 doses a day at max capacity given stable supply, but with the majority of the doses Việt Nam has secured either through purchase deals or aid commitment concentrated mostly in the final quarter of 2021, the available vaccines allocated to the city by the health ministry would be administered in different phases, respecting the list of priority groups.


    270,000 doses of vaccine have been administered in H Nội as of Wednesday, mostly frontline workers.


    H Nội is being put under strict social distancing measures prescribed in the Government’s Directive 16, with closures of non-essential businesses, halting of public transport, and people not allowed to go outside unless necessary.


    The city has recorded nearly 1,000 cases in the fourth wave of infections since late April, and continues to see a couple dozen new infections every day since earlier this month, including several in the community detected through screening of people with symptoms of fever and coughing. — VNS


    Ha Nội begins mass COVID-19 vaccination, aiming to cover 5.1 million residents by April - Society - Vietnam News | Politics, Business, Economy, Society, Life, Sports - VietNam News

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    You Thai based members might have more success acquiring a jab over the borders...

    The UK is donating its first batch of vaccines to poorer countries this week, with nine million doses being sent to countries including Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Kenya and Jamaica, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    You Thai based members might have more success acquiring a jab over the borders...

    The UK is donating its first batch of vaccines to poorer countries this week, with nine million doses being sent to countries including Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Kenya and Jamaica, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said.
    how do you get back into Thailand ?

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    Do two weeks in quarantine.

    Get questioned afterwards more than any local who's 100x more likely to have COVID than you and...you're home.

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    ^ Welcome home!

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    New records today, both in number of new cases and deaths.


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    Interesting piece in today's Guardian on the status in Myanmar.

    Myanmar could become Covid super-spreader state, says UN expert


    Myanmar is at risk of becoming a super-spreader Covid state that fuels outbreaks across the region, the UN special rapporteur for the country has warned as he urged the security council to call for a ceasefire.

    The south-east Asian country is facing its most severe outbreak yet, on top of a deep political and economic crisis brought about by the military coup in February. Its vaccination programme has ground to a standstill, testing has collapsed, and government hospitals are barely functioning.

    Doctors, who have been at the forefront of an anti-junta strike and are refusing to work in state hospitals, have been forced to treat patients in secret because they face the constant threat of military violence or arrest.

    The exact number of cases and fatalities in Myanmar was unclear, said Tom Andrews, the UN special rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Myanmar, in an interview with the Guardian. The targeting of journalists and doctors has made it hard to obtain accurate information about the crisis.

    We know that this is a spike upward. Its a very rapid, an alarmingly rapid rise, said Andrews.

    According to the military-controlled ministry of health and sports, 4,629 people have died of Covid since 1 June. The figures are thought to be an underestimate. Military-controlled media announced on Tuesday that 10 new crematoriums would be built at cemeteries in Yangon, Myanmars largest city, to cope with the fatalities, the Irrawaddy news site, an independent outlet, reported.

    In Yangon, its common to see three types of lines, Andrews added. One before ATMs, one for oxygen supplies which is very dangerous because people are literally being shot at by the Myanmar forces for standing in line for oxygen and the third being lines at crematoriums and morgues.

    There is a severe shortage of oxygen, medical equipment and medication in cities across the country. Outside homes, people have hung yellow and white flags to signal that they need food or medicine, while social media have been flooded with pleas for help and death notices.

    The military has been accused of seizing oxygen supplies. It has ordered suppliers not to sell to the public, claiming that people are hoarding tanks.

    Andrews said international governments, including Myanmars neighbours, needed to act swiftly, or they would see the consequences of an uncontrolled outbreak at their borders.

    Myanmar is becoming a super-spreader of Covid-19 with these very virulent variants Delta and other forms of the disease, [which are] extremely dangerous, extremely lethal, extremely contagious This is very, very dangerous for all kinds of reasons, Andrews said.

    Its just a fact that Covid does not respect nationalities or borders or ideologies or political parties. Its an equal opportunities killer. This is a region that is susceptible to even greater suffering as a result of Myanmar becoming a super-spreader state.

    About a third of the worlds population lives in countries neighbouring Myanmar, he added. This includes China, which, along with Russia, has blocked previous attempts by the security council to pressure the Myanmar military.

    In February, the security council passed a resolution demanding ceasefires in all states experiencing conflict so that health workers could safely provide Covid vaccinations. Andrews said the resolution should now be reaffirmed in relation to the Myanmar crisis. This could help pave the way for international agencies to provide greater assistance.

    On Wednesday, the military-controlled Global New Light of Myanmar reported that junta chief, Min Aung Hlaing, had addressed a meeting to beef up cooperation with the international community, including Asean [Association of South-east Asian Nations] and friendly countries in the prevention, control and treatment of the Covid-19. The details of the cooperation are not clear.

    Junta forces have engaged in at least 260 attacks against medical personnel and facilities, killing at least 18 people, according to the Office of the United Nations high commissioner for human rights. The military is holding at least 67 healthcare workers, and has issued arrest warrants for a further 600 medics.

    Last week, military officials reportedly posed as Covid patients in need of treatment to entrap medical volunteers in Yangon. Three doctors who went to help were subsequently arrested, according to a report by the independent outlet Myanmar Now.

    In total, at least 5,630 people are being held in detention facilities, including Insein prison in Yangon, where the virus has spread. U Nyan Win, who previously served as Aung San Suu Kyis lawyer, and who was a senior member in her National League for Democracy party, died of Covid after becoming infected in jail, it was confirmed last week.

    At least 931 people protesters, politicians and bystanders have been killed by the military since February.

    There is significant evidence that crimes against humanity are unfolding in Myanmar, Andrews said. This is not an errant commander here or there doing horrible things, this is very systematic, very clear The junta going on state television and telling people dont go on the streets [to protest] or youll get shot in the head. And then suddenly all these people are shot in the head.

    Andrews said the need for international action was more urgent than ever. The people of Myanmar are losing hope that the international community cares about what is happening in Myanmar, he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/myanmar-could-become-covid-super-spreader-state-says-un-expert




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    My GF just informed me, that Chong Mek are now giving away the Chinese Vaccine tomorrow with the AZ follow up. She's from Laos and can get.

    Her police Friends, on the border are always coming up trumps for her with Visas etc.

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    To the vaccine hesitant, pick your bed.

    Thailand: Bangkok warehouse turned into 1,800-bed hospital as Covid crisis worsens

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    A cargo warehouse at Bangkok’s Don Muang Airport has been turned into an 1,800-bed field hospital, as the country struggles with its most severe outbreak since the start of the pandemic.

    Hospitals in the capital Bangkok, where the outbreak concentrated, have been overwhelmed by patients, and forced to turn people away. On Thursday, the country reported a record 17,669 new cases and 165 deaths.

    Rienthong Nanna, director of Mongkutwattana Hospital, told Reuters on Wednesday that the field hospital was designed for patients with moderate symptoms.

    “But if patients’ conditions deteriorate, they will be moved to our other field hospital called Pitak Rachan (Protect the King) Field Hospital,” said Rienthong, a retired major-general and an ultra-royalist leader.


    He added that more field hospitals would be needed as cases rise.


    Thailand’s caseload has risen from fewer than 30,000 infections at the beginning of April, to more than 540,000.

    Public health experts have warned that limited testing means the statistics are likely an underestimate.


    The government is facing growing anger over its response to the pandemic, including over its vaccination programme, which critics say has been too slow and lacking in transparency.


    Just over 5% of the Thai population is fully vaccinated.


    The Thai government has been accused of relying too heavily on AstraZeneca produced domestically by Siam Bioscience, a royal owned company that has not previously supplied vaccines. A prominent opposition politician who criticised the arrangement earlier this year was subsequently accused of breaching the country’s strict lese majesty law, which can lead to 15 years in prison.


    The government has also warned that it will prosecute individuals and media who spread inaccurate news, and has invoked emergency measures that outlaw sharing news that could cause misunderstanding, or that could incite fear in the public.


    Six major journalist associations in Thailand have condemned the move, stating that it revealed “an intent to crack down on the freedom of expression enjoyed by the media and the public.”


    The teenage rapper Milli was recently charge for criticising the Thai government’s management of the pandemic on social media.
    Thailand: Bangkok warehouse turned into 1,800-bed hospital as Covid crisis worsens | Thailand | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    She's from Laos and can teach English me.
    Great move!

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    ^ she's a CCTV techie if you need help.

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    Vaccinate anyone who wants a COVID-19 shot, says Duterte

    It is not immediately clear if his directive means that the vaccines can now be given to Filipinos not included in the government's priority groups.




    President Rodrigo Duterte ordered the government on Wednesday, July 28, to open the coronavirus vaccination campaign to anyone who wants a shot as the Philippines scrambles to protect the population from more transmissible variants.


    With only 6% of the Philippines' 110 million people fully vaccinated against COVID-19, millions remain vulnerable to infection. The government is aiming to fully immunize up to 70 million people before the year ends.

    "Give the vaccines to those who want to be vaccinated," Duterte said in a late-night address, expressing concern over the contagious Delta variant, which is ripping through Southeast Asia, now a global epicenter for the virus.


    It was not immediately clear if his directive meant that the vaccines could now be given to Filipinos not included in the government's priority groups.
    Given limited supplies, it is prioritizing healthcare workers, the elderly, people with existing medical conditions, and working age adults.

    The country has so far reported 119 cases of the Delta variant, first detected in India, but health experts say there could be more undetected cases because of the slow pace of the country's genome sequencing capacity.


    Daily reported infections have recently started to rise, and authorities this week suspended travel from Malaysia and Thailand, as well as tightened curbs in and around Manila.

    Duterte ordered village chiefs to prevent those in their communities who refuse to be vaccinated from leaving home.


    "I am telling you, don't leave your homes. If you go out, I will tell the police to escort you back to your house because you are a walking spreader," Duterte said. "If you don't want to help the country by getting vaccinated, then better stay in your homes."


    With more than 1.5 million coronavirus cases and more than 27,000 deaths, the Philippines has the second-worst outbreak in Southeast Asia after Indonesia. – Rappler.com


    Vaccinate anyone who wants a COVID-19 shot, says Duterte

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    US commits another 2.5 million Pfizer doses to Thailand


    BANGKOK (NNT) - A donation of 1.5 million Pfizer brand COVID-19 vaccines by the United States is set to arrive in Thailand today (July 29, 2021) while Voice of America (VOA) has reported a US Senator of Thai heritage claims another 2.5 million doses are to be made available to the Kingdom.


    US Senator Lt. Col. Ladda Tammy Duckworth reportedly indicated the US has prepared another 2.5 million doses of Pfizer brand vaccine for Thailand after dispatching an initial donation of 1.5 million doses. The senator remarked that the provision was in light of the US’s acknowledgement that the COVID-19 pandemic is borderless and that a public health crisis in one region would inevitably expand to others.


    The committee administrating COVID-19 vaccinations in Thailand has resolved to distribute the first donation from the US among three target groups. Firstly, the jabs are to be administered as booster doses for 700,000 frontline medical workers. Another 645,000 doses will be provided to the elderly, sufferers of seven chronic illnesses and women over 12 weeks pregnant. A third targeted group has been earmarked to receive 150,000 doses and comprises elderly foreigners and chronically ill residents of the Kingdom, as well as those needing clearance for international travel such as diplomats and students.


    Five thousand of the shots are to be set aside for research dependent on the Department of Disease Control, and 40,000 doses have been reserved for rapid response in the event of an epidemic of a variant of the virus.


    The Ministry of Public Health has debunked claims that only 200,000 doses of the consignment are to be provided to medical workers.


    Alongside donations from the US and the United Kingdom, Switzerland has also provided medical equipment to Thailand, including over 100 respiratory aid machines and over 1 million Rapid Antigen Test kits worth a combined 300 million baht. The donation of medical equipment arrived at Suvarnabhumi Airport earlier today and was received by Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Health Anutin Chanvirakul and Deputy Spokesperson to the Prime Minister’s Office Rachada Thanadirek.

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    LONDON— AstraZeneca PLC narrowed losses from its Covid-19 vaccine in the second quarter, but the shot continued to weigh on the drug giant’s earnings.

    The British-Swedish drugmaker pledged last year to distribute the shot at no profit during the pandemic. AstraZeneca Chief Executive Pascal Soriot said Thursday the company and its manufacturing partners had released more than one billion doses of the vaccine for use in more than 170 countries. That included 700 million doses delivered by the end of June. The vaccine boosted second-quarter revenue by $894 million.

    But the vaccine contributed to about $13 million in losses in the quarter, shaving 1 cent off the company’s per-share earnings, which declined 28% to 42 cents compared with 58 cents in the comparable quarter of 2020.


    In April, AstraZeneca said it lost around $40 million on its Covid-19 vaccine the first three months of this year, based on its reported 3-cent hit to per-share earnings for the quarter. The second-quarter loss Thursday brings the total reported loss from the shot this year to about $53 million.


    Shares fell 0.8% on the second-quarter profit decline.

    AstraZeneca Loses Money on Covid-19 Vaccine for Second Straight Quarter - WSJ

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    US Senator Lt. Col. Ladda Tammy Duckworth
    The first time I have ever heard of someone being introduced that way.

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    4 billion anti-Covid shots injected worldwide

    More than 4 billion doses of anti-Covid vaccines have been administered around the world, eight months after the vaccination drive started, according to an AFP count Thursday.


    Global injections have slowed slightly: this fourth billion was reached in 30 days, while it took only 26 days to reach the previous one. The first and second billion were reached after about 140 and 40 days respectively.


    China (1.6 billion), India (451 million) and the United States (343 million) make up the trio of countries that have administered the most jabs.


    In terms of population among countries with more than one million people, the United Arab Emirates is the leader: 168 first and second doses administered per 100 inhabitants. Uruguay follows (137), then Bahrain (134).


    The UAE is close to having 70 percent of its population fully vaccinated while Uruguay and Bahrain have both reached more than 60 percent.


    After this the leading countries are Qatar, Chile and Canada (129 shots per 100 inhabitants), Israel (128), Singapore (125), the United Kingdom, Mongolia and Denmark (124) and Belgium (121).


    These countries have all fully vaccinated more than half their populations.


    Not far off this are China (111), the United States (104) and the European Union (103). The US and EU have fully vaccinated nearly half their population while China does not communicate this information.


    Most poor countries have now started to vaccinate, mainly thanks to the COVAX scheme and donations of unused doses by rich countries, but the vaccination coverage remains very unequal: high-income countries (as defined by the World Bank) administered an average of 97 doses per 100 inhabitants compared with just 1.6 doses in low-income countries.


    On average 52 shots have been injected per 100 inhabitants worldwide.


    Four countries are not yet vaccinating: Burundi, Eritrea, Haiti and North Korea.

    4 billion anti-Covid shots injected worldwide | Thai PBS World : The latest Thai news in English, News Headlines, World News and News Broadcasts in both Thai and English. We bring Thailand to the world

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    Experts ask to see data behind new policy


    WASHINGTON - New recommendations from federal health officials this week on when vaccinated Americans should don face masks came with a startling bolt of news: People who have had their shots and become infected with the delta variant of the coronavirus can harbor large amounts of virus just like unvaccinated people. That means they could become spreaders of the disease and should return to wearing masks indoors in certain situations, including when vulnerable people are present.


    But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not publish the new research. In the text of the updated masking guidance, the agency merely cited "CDC COVID-19 Response Team, unpublished data, 2021."

    Some outside scientists have their own message: Show us the data.


    "They're making a claim that people with delta who are vaccinated and unvaccinated have similar levels of viral load, but nobody knows what that means," said Gregg Gonsalves, an associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health. "It's meaningless unless we see the data."


    When CDC Director Rochelle Walensky spoke to reporters Tuesday, she cited the "new scientific data" but provided limited details about how the research was done. She said the data comes from outbreak investigations in which researchers compared delta infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people.


    The data will be "published imminently," according to a federal official knowledgeable about the research but who was not authorized to be a spokesperson for the government.

    "These data were alarming and recently presented," the official said Wednesday. "We saw the data and thought it was urgent enough to act - in the context of a steeply rising, preventable fourth surge of covid-19."


    Because tests showed similar levels of virus in the vaccinated and unvaccinated, the CDC inferred the delta variant can be transmitted by people with breakthrough infections.


    "I think the implications [of the data] are that people who are vaccinated, even when they're asymptomatic, can transmit the virus, which is the scientific foundation of why this recommendation is being made," Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden's chief medical adviser, said in an interview with The Washington Post.


    But Fauci noted there is not yet clinical data on what the high viral loads mean in terms of disease transmission. "You can make a reasonable assumption that vaccinated people can transmit the virus just like unvaccinated people can," Fauci said.

    Three senior administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions said the new research convinced health officials that it was time to update the agency's guidance. When scientists compared viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with an earlier variant of the virus - the alpha variant, which was dominant in the spring - there were considerable differences in the amount of virus each carried.


    The CDC did not answer questions Wednesday about whether it relied on outside sources of data or the number of patients examined in its outbreak investigations.


    The medical and scientific community has generally endorsed the change in CDC mask guidance. Several organizations and public health experts issued statements saying the CDC should have gone further and broadened the criteria for deciding which communities have transmission high enough to warrant universal masking indoors.


    The question about viral loads is among the many unknowns surrounding SARS-CoV-2, including the frequency of breakthrough infections and whether they play a significant role in the recent rise in cases.


    "If we're seeing more breakthroughs, is it just because the virus is better and the vaccines don't hold up quite as well, or is the efficacy of the vaccines beginning to wane, independent of the delta?" asked Robert Wachter, chair of the Department of Medicine at the University of California at San Francisco. "This is three-dimensional chess, there's a hundred things going on at the same time."


    There is now a Greek-alphabet soup of viral variants competing with one another. The delta, which was first identified in the United States in February and only gained traction in June, is dominant in the United States.


    "The big concern is that the next variant that might emerge, just a few mutations away, could potentially evade our vaccine," Walensky said Tuesday.


    There are multiple vaccines deployed to stop the pandemic, with a range of efficacy in stopping mild infections. The vaccines are all highly protective against severe disease and death. Pfizer published data Wednesday showing a modest drop in efficacy over the course of six months.


    Although delta is more than twice as transmissible as earlier variants, it does not have some of the mutations seen in other variants that can help the virus evade antibodies. But the delta floods the zone. It grows so quickly in the nose that it may be overwhelming the body's vaccine-enhanced defenses before the immune system can marshal a robust response, said William Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.


    "The immune response, once activated, takes a while to kick in even among people who have been vaccinated," Hanage said in an email. "As a result if the virus can copy itself really quickly it might be able to get a few rounds of replication in, even in vaccinated folks, before the immune system brings it under control."


    The Singapore Ministry of Health recently found that three-fourths of coronavirus cases in the past four weeks were in people who were fully or partially vaccinated, most with no or mild symptoms. And in India, vaccinated health-care workers showed high viral loads when infected with the delta, according to a study from University of Cambridge researchers that is not yet peer-reviewed.


    The senior author of that study, microbiologist Ravindra Gupta, said the infectivity of people with breakthrough infections has not been "formally measured in a rigorous way," but the new research shows high viral loads in people with breakthrough delta infections. That suggests vaccinated people should wear masks, he said.


    Research by Chinese scientists posted online and not yet peer-reviewed describes the stunning ability of the delta variant to replicate in the human body. The viral load from the delta is 1,000 times that detected in the earliest variants of the virus. That is about 10 times the viral load sparked by the alpha variant, which was first seen in the United Kingdom and became dominant in the United States this spring before the delta overcompeted it.


    "Delta is alpha on steroids," said James Musser, chair of the Department of Pathology and Genomic Medicine at Houston Methodist Hospital and Research Institute.


    In the eight hospitals run by Houston Methodist, there are about 300 covid-19 patients, triple the number in early June, Musser said. Most new cases involve the delta variant. He estimated that 20 percent of the covid patients were fully vaccinated before becoming infected.


    But he cautioned that most of these patients have underlying medical conditions that impaired their ability to mount an immune response after being vaccinated.


    These post-vaccination infections have often been described by Walensky and other medical experts as rare. How rare is unclear. News reports of people getting sick after vaccination have been common in recent weeks. But scientific data is limited.


    The CDC on May 1 said it would stop tracking mild and moderate breakthrough cases, and focus only on hospitalizations and deaths. As of July 19, the CDC had documented 5,914 such breakthroughs, including 1,141 deaths.


    CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said Wednesday the agency conducts "cohort" studies to obtain estimates of the efficacy of the vaccines that often involve tens of thousands of people. Scientists examine vaccinated and unvaccinated patients for a period of time to see if they develop covid-19, Nordlund said.


    Several experts have criticized the agency for not tracking mild and moderate breakthrough cases on a broader scale, arguing it makes it difficult to know how rare these cases really are.


    Even though the vaccines remain effective against all variants of the coronavirus, they are not designed to create "sterilizing" immunity. That's why breakthrough infections happen. The virus can infect the nose and begin replicating before the immune system rallies its range of defenses. The vaccines prime the immune system, including the "B memory" cells that begin cranking out antibodies after detection of an invasive pathogen.


    Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said it's like the fire extinguisher in your kitchen. The immune system ensures you have that fire extinguisher standing by for an emergency. But it can't prevent the initial conflagration. "You still had a little fire in the kitchen," Offit said.


    Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, said it would not be surprising to see a variant emerge that is better at replicating in people's noses. Animal studies, he said, indicated that vaccines were better at protecting animals' lungs from infection than their noses. That might help explain why vaccinated people can become infected but rarely develop severe disease.


    "The virus is under selective pressure to jump from nose to nose," Corey said. "So its evolutionary sort of pressure is to do that as efficiently as it can. Delta is more efficient than others."


    Even if tests find lots of virus in vaccinated people, it is uncertain how contagious they are. A study of immunized health-care workers in Israel, published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, found 39 breakthrough infections among 1,497 fully vaccinated people. About three-fourths of those people had, at some point while infected, what researchers characterized as high viral loads. There was no evidence that a breakthrough case led to other infections.


    Natalie Dean, a biostatistics expert at Emory University's Rollins School of Public Health, said she remains unconvinced a high viral load in the nose truly means that vaccinated and unvaccinated people are equally as likely to spread the virus, although she acknowledged there is an ongoing debate about the issue.


    "I feel like nasal viral load is one part of a lot of other parts" that determine how infectious a person is, Dean said, adding that she thinks the amount of virus in the throat or lungs could be important and might differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not.


    Experts ask to see data behind new policy

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    Full FDA Approval for COVID-19 Vaccine May Come in ‘Couple of Months,’ Report Says

    Full FDA approval for COVID-19 vaccines could come within the next couple of months, CNN reports. Federal officials told the outlet the Food and Drug Administration is working “as fast as possible” to review the applications, though it aims to avoid any appearance of political pressure. The Biden administration has hoped full approval could dampen vaccine hesitancy, giving people more confidence to get vaccinated, but it understands it won’t necessarily be a game-changer. “Yes, it will be another tool in the toolkit. We aren’t naive to think it will suddenly change all minds,” a Biden adviser told CNN. The move could also give U.S. businesses the tool they need to implement vaccine mandates.


    Pfizer and Moderna, the two producers of mRNA vaccines approved for emergency use, have both filed for full regulatory approval. Johnson & Johnson, the only other vaccine approved, has not yet filed an application.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fda-sa...onths?ref=home

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    ^ Currently the armed forces cannot command US troops to be jabbed because they aren’t FDA approved. All changes once FDA approved.

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    Study finds that Pfizer has the same risk of blood clots as Astra Zeneca:

    Covid UK: AstraZeneca vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer's, study finds | Daily Mail Online

    I see there are slight differences in the age groups, and it still has to be peer reviewed, but this is exactly what the doc told me when I had mine a few months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Study finds that Pfizer has the same risk of blood clots as Astra Zeneca:

    Covid UK: AstraZeneca vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer's, study finds | Daily Mail Online

    I see there are slight differences in the age groups, and it still has to be peer reviewed, but this is exactly what the doc told me when I had mine a few months ago.
    The risk of blood clots with Covid are significantly higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The risk of blood clots with Covid are significantly higher.
    Of course, my point was related to the hammering the AZ vaccine has taken when it appears that any slight risk is similar to Pfizer etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Study finds that Pfizer has the same risk of blood clots as Astra Zeneca:
    Can't read your article in the link except for "Blood on their hands"

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