Thread: China's Mass Detention of Xinjiang's Ethnic Minorities Shows No Sign of Let-up

When are you going to realise that your cretinous, pedantic waffling does not work?

The Co-Rapporteur noted reports of mass detention of ethnic Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities, and estimates that upwards of a million people were being held in so-called counter-extremism centres and another two million had been forced into so-called “re-education camps” for political and cultural indoctrination.

Remember that this bloke was your mate until you read it properly.

You arse.

OhOh: TD's version of the Fast Show's "Indecisive Dave".

Chinese Official: Muslim Detention Camps Are ‘Educational Centers’

In the wake of mass detentions of ethnic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in China, the country defended the camps on Thursday and characterized them as “educational centers.”

“It is not mistreatment,” Li Xiaojun, director for publicity at the Bureau of Human Rights Affairs of the State Council Information Office, told reporters at the sidelines of the U.N. Human Rights Council session.

“What China is doing is to establish professional training centers[.]” Li continued, saying that the detention of the ethnic minority was the “necessary way to deal with Islamic or religious extremism.”

“The West has failed in doing so, in dealing with religious Islamic extremism,” he said. “Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries. You have failed.” Reuters reports that Li also denied that China’s camps are anything like the work camps seen in “eastern European countries,” apparently referring to the Soviet Gulag camps during the Cold War.

The Trump administration is reportedly considering sanctioning China over their treatment of the Uighurs.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-...tional-centers

Originally Posted by misskit

Chinese Official: Muslim Detention Camps Are ‘Educational Centers’


In the wake of mass detentions of ethnic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in China, the country defended the camps on Thursday and characterized them as “educational centers.”

I suppose when you're being starved and tortured, the knowledge that you're getting a good old fashioned Chinese brainwashing, er, education is of great comfort.

Harry, they are "health centres" because they are not starving people....they are administering intermittent fasting, which as everyone knows, has great health benefits.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Harry, they are "health centres" because they are not starving people....they are administering intermittent fasting, which as everyone knows, has great health benefits.

It's funny, they say that here in the sandpit every Ramadhan, but they have to import extra food because they're all stuffing their fat faces all night long. Then they need to go on a diet afterwards.

Our seriously brain-damaged member has commented with a red on my last post :

-09-2018 09:13 PM HuangLao
Thread: (China's Mass Detention of Xinjiang's Ethnic Minorities Shows No Sign of Let-up)China's Mass Detention of Xinjiang's Ethnic Minorities Shows No Sign of Let-up
Fukwitted and ignorant Eurocentric illusionist....dumb cnut

But his brain is so scrambled that it's not worth trying to debate with him here.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

But his brain is so scrambled that it's not worth trying to debate with him here

...ask FaRT: he loves to debate...

More sanctions then, seems the best way eh.

The fate of estimated up to one million people is unknown and most of the detainees’ families have been kept in the dark.



China has intensified its campaign of mass internment, intrusive surveillance, political indoctrination and forced cultural assimilation against the region’s Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups.


Amnesty International has interviewed more than 100 people outside of China whose relatives in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) are still missing, as well as individuals who said they were tortured while in detention camps there.


The internment of predominantly Muslim ethnic groups in the XUAR intensified after highly restrictive and discriminatory “Regulations on De-extremification” were adopted in March 2017.


Open or even private displays of religious and cultural affiliation, including growing an “abnormal” beard, wearing a veil or headscarf, regular prayer, fasting or avoidance of alcohol, or possessing books or articles about Islam or Uighur culture can be considered “extremist” under the regulation.


Travel abroad for work or education, particularly to majority Muslim countries, or contact with people outside China are also major reasons for suspicion. Male, female; young, old; urban, rural, all are at risk of being detained.


The ubiquitous security checks that are now a routine part of daily life for all in the XUAR provide ample opportunity to search mobile phones for suspicious content or check people’s identities using facial recognition software.


Individuals might come under suspicion through routine monitoring of messages sent on social media apps like WeChat, which does not use end-to-end encryption. Use of alternative messaging apps with encryption, such as WhatsApp, can also be a cause for detention.


Syrlas Kalimkhan said he installed WhatsApp on his father’s phone and tested it by texting, “Hi, Dad.” Later, the police asked his father, Kalimkhan Aitkal, 53, a farmer, why he had WhatsApp on his phone. He was later sent to a “re-education camp”.


The authorities label the camps as centres for “transformation-through-education” but most people refer to them simply as “re-education camps”. Those sent to such camps are not put on trial, have no access to lawyers or right to challenge the decision. Individuals could be left to languish in detention for months, as it is the authorities who decide when an individual has been “transformed”.


Kairat Samarkan was sent to a detention camp in October 2017, after he returned to the XUAR following a short visit to neighbouring Kazakhstan.


Kairat told Amnesty that he was hooded, made to wear shackles on his arms and legs and was forced to stand in a fixed position for 12 hours when first detained. There were nearly 6,000 people held in the same camp, where they were forced to sing political songs and study speeches of the Chinese Communist Party. They could not talk to each other and were forced to chant “Long live Xi Jinping” before meals. Kairat told Amnesty that his treatment drove him to attempt suicide just before his release.


Those who resist or fail to show enough progress face punishments ranging from verbal abuse to food deprivation, solitary confinement, beatings and use of restraints and stress positions. There have been reports of deaths inside the facilities, including suicides of those unable to bear the mistreatment.


The authorities justify the extreme measures as necessary to prevent religious “extremism” and “terrorist activities”, and to ensure “ethnic unity” and national security. While states do have the right and responsibility to prevent violent attacks, the measures deployed must be necessary and proportionate and as narrow and targeted as possible to address a specific threat. There is no plausible justification for mass detentions of members of a particular ethnic group or religion of the type witnessed in the XUAR.


“So-called ‘re-education camps’ are places of brainwashing, torture and punishment that hark back to the darkest hours of the Mao-era, when anyone suspected of not being loyal enough to the state or the Chinese Communist Party could end up in China’s notorious labour camps. Members of predominately Muslim ethnic minority groups are living in permanent fear for themselves and for their detained relatives,” said Nicholas Bequelin, Amnesty International’s East Asia Director.


For months, relatives of the missing kept their anguish to themselves. They hoped the loss of contact with loved ones back home would be temporary. They feared making things worse if they sought outside help, since the Chinese government views contact with relatives living abroad as suspect, and, in some cases, grounds for detention in “re-education camps”. Now, with no clear end in sight for their torment, more and more are willing to speak up.


Bota Kussaiyn, an ethnic Kazakh student studying at Moscow State University, last spoke with her father, Kussaiyn Sagymbai, over WeChat in November 2017. Originally from the XUAR, their family had re-settled in Kazakhstan in 2013.


Bota’s father had returned to China in late 2017 to visit a doctor, but the authorities confiscated his passport after he arrived in the XUAR. Bota subsequently learnt from relatives there that her father had been sent to a “re-education camp”.


Her relatives in the XUAR were so afraid that further contact might put them under suspicion that they stopped communicating with her after that.


Bota told Amnesty: “My father is an ordinary citizen. We were a happy family before he was detained. We laughed together. We can’t laugh any more, and we can’t sleep at night. We live in fear every day. It has done great harm to my mother. We don’t know where he is. We don’t even know if he’s still alive. I want to see my father again.”


Many relatives and friends abroad report that the situation is making them feel responsible and “guilty” for the fate of their relatives, because it seems to be precisely these overseas connections that in many cases are causing their loved ones in the XUAR to fall under suspicion. The authorities accuse them of having ties to outside groups the Chinese government alleges promote “extremist” religious views or plot “terrorist activity”. The real purpose, though, seems to be the enforcement of an information blackout about the current crackdown against ethnic minorities in the XUAR.


To avoid arousing such suspicion, Uighurs, Kazakhs and others inside the XUAR have reportedly been cutting all ties with friends and family living outside China. They warn acquaintances not to call and delete outside contacts from social media applications. Unable to get reliable information from home, many living abroad inevitably fear the worst.


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/09/china-up-to-one-million-detained/

Watch from 15.00

I hope this trend doesn't spread to the west, it would lead to more selective memory loss.

The west would never allow social scoring, 24/7 monitoring of society, embracement without due process, people being murdered on the street for social subterfuge, being stripped of one's online presence............

Only in Asia eh?

The Loving Heart Kindergarten in Hotan, in a 2018 photo


Interview: ‘The Situation in Our Country is Beyond Inhumane’

Adil Abduqadir, an ethnic Uyghur living in exile, left his home in Hotan (in Chinese, Hetian) prefecture, in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), for Turkey with his wife in March last year to avoid a forced abortion because she was pregnant with their fifth child, in violation of the country’s “family planning policy.” A month later, authorities in the XUAR began jailing and detaining Uyghurs accused of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas in political “re-education camps” throughout the region, where members of the ethnic group have long complained of pervasive discrimination, religious repression, and cultural suppression under Chinese rule. When Abduqadir learned of the new policy in the XUAR, he chose not to return home, where he and his wife were likely to face persecution and arrest.

In a recent interview, Abduqadir told RFA’s Uyghur Service that since he left China, his mother was handed a 10-year jail sentence, his older brother was imprisoned for five and a half years, and his four other children were sent to Hotan’s so-called Loving Heart Kindergarten for Uyghur youth whose guardians have been detained, which they are not free to leave. He has since established a campaign to free his children and those of other Uyghurs in the XUAR, noting that mass incarcerations have made the destruction of families an all too common occurrence in the region.


INTERVIEW HERE. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyg...018134155.html

^^ Lovely kindergarten picture above, eh OhOh? You reckon all the barbed wire was photoshopped?

Originally Posted by misskit

Lovely kindergarten picture above, eh OhOh? You reckon all the barbed wire was photoshopped?

I have no reason to believe your photo is fake at all. Many building are protected from threat, inside or out, by many different types of security systems. Unfortunately barb wire fences meh, whatever next, so many photos could be chosen to illustrate how many countries utilise the stuff.

In no particular order:

Australia, Japan. Singapore, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Norway, Israel, ameristan, Maldives, Russia , Canada, Thailand ........................, name a country that doesn't?

But you believe China, based on one of eighteen UN rapporteurs, who cites an unproven number, echoed in an ameristani funded and directed propaganda site, is in some way evil for using it.

Take an unbiased look at what and who you are putting on a pedestal, erected from the factually proven, centuries of horrific crimes, before you dare to point your blood soaked finger elsewhere. Demand your poster boys and girls stop their proven crimes. If you achieve that I will applaud you, unfortunately you are a modern day Nelson, blind to what your brain cannot be allowed or wish to see.

You are failing to convince me, an ignorant, old, uneducated man. How do you expect to convince the worlds intelligent people of whatever age or sex? You have ten fingers, spread your "news posts" equally around the world, highlight all the worlds problems, wherever they are caused.

You may of course feel you already do.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Australia, Japan. Singapore, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Norway, Israel, ameristan, Maldives, Russia , Canada, Thailand ........................, name a country that doesn't?

Please, show me a photo of a kindergarten in any of these countries with barbed wire and high walls, as though the kindergarten is a prison.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I hope this trend doesn't spread to the west, it would lead to more selective memory loss.

The west would never allow social scoring, 24/7 monitoring of society, embracement without due process, people being murdered on the street for social subterfuge, being stripped of one's online presence............

Only in Asia eh?

Yeah, if you could just remind me where Europe or America has a million people locked up in "re-education camps"....

Originally Posted by misskit

countries with barbed wire and high walls,

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

has a million people locked up

Where is your number coming from 'arry?

Guantanamo, Gaza, Greece, Turkey, France, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Italy, Afghanistan, Australia

You need to learn the difference between "re-educated" and "deported".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/

...so, unable to find a kindergarten surrounded by walls and barbed wire, Uh-Oh decides to expand the discussion to something else entirely different...weak...

Attempted distraction is HoHo SOP.