Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

^The big BIB's flying in to give a press conference today. Needed it sorted prior to that. Then, case closed and he's off for a quiet weekend of golf with his cronies without being bothered by dead tourists.

Fortunately, it only took one phone call to submit the samples over the phone, have them virtually checked, and immediately come up with the correct answer.

Ye and a big wad of cash.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^The big BIB's flying in to give a press conference today. Needed it sorted prior to that. Then, case closed and he's off for a quiet weekend of golf with his cronies without being bothered by dead tourists.

Fortunately, it only took one phone call to submit the samples over the phone, have them virtually checked, and immediately come up with the correct answer.

Earlier in the day, Mr. Mark Kent, the British ambassador to Thailand, paid a formal visit to Pol. Gen. Somyos Phumphanmuang at the Royal Thai Police headquarters to personally congratulate him on being promoted to the post of commissioner of the Royal Thai Police.

While there, he was given updates in the developments of the murder case and expressed his satisfaction on how the case was being handled and his government would not interfere in any way with the investigation. Mr. Kent went on to praise the Royal Thai Police in solving the case and have shown exemplary professionalism as a crime fighting unit.


The British Ambassador later said “Thailand and the UK have always mutually helped each other in the past and the cooperation has always benefitted both countries. This new development reaffirms our confidence in both our countries abilities.”

There, that's official....

Will the DNA results be released.?

If so if the British autopsy is performed and they get DNA, could they not just go and get a sample from the accused, and match them if not possible could the go to the accused's mother and get her DNA.

Just a idea.

Originally Posted by koman

Earlier in the day, Mr. Mark Kent, the British ambassador to Thailand, paid a formal visit to Pol. Gen. Somyos Phumphanmuang at the Royal Thai Police headquarters to personally congratulate him on being promoted to the post of commissioner of the Royal Thai Police.

While there, he was given updates in the developments of the murder case and expressed his satisfaction on how the case was being handled and his government would not interfere in any way with the investigation. Mr. Kent went on to praise the Royal Thai Police in solving the case and have shown exemplary professionalism as a crime fighting unit.


The British Ambassador later said “Thailand and the UK have always mutually helped each other in the past and the cooperation has always benefitted both countries. This new development reaffirms our confidence in both our countries abilities.”

There, that's official....

They need Clark Kent, not Mark Kent.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^The big BIB's flying in to give a press conference today. Needed it sorted prior to that. Then, case closed and he's off for a quiet weekend of golf with his cronies without being bothered by dead tourists.

Fortunately, it only took one phone call to submit the samples over the phone, have them virtually checked, and immediately come up with the correct answer.

Guess that's why i was a crappy lawyer and why I hated it so much. For all my faults, being a psychopath without a conscience is not one of them.

I know from my days in the police department we would cover for each other and lie about almost anything especially brutality (although those who got it usually asked for it), but I never saw someone set up for something he did not do and virtually none of our officers or our organizational culture would have tolerated it.

My background makes this even more sad and disgusting to me. How could anyone sleep at night after setting someone up, assuming that's what happened here?

Originally Posted by koman

Earlier in the day, Mr. Mark Kent, the British ambassador to Thailand, paid a formal visit to Pol. Gen. Somyos Phumphanmuang at the Royal Thai Police headquarters to personally congratulate him on being promoted to the post of commissioner of the Royal Thai Police.

While there, he was given updates in the developments of the murder case and expressed his satisfaction on how the case was being handled and his government would not interfere in any way with the investigation. Mr. Kent went on to praise the Royal Thai Police in solving the case and have shown exemplary professionalism as a crime fighting unit.


The British Ambassador later said “Thailand and the UK have always mutually helped each other in the past and the cooperation has always benefitted both countries. This new development reaffirms our confidence in both our countries abilities.”

There, that's official....

Anyone might think Adam Lloyd, Vanessa Arscott and Kirsty Jones never existed given this emetic quote from perhaps the most obsequious and puke inducing ambassador that ever minced his way into a British embassy.

The enormous hypocrisy of the man defies belief and this surely marks a new depth in just how low a human being could stoop to prolong his career and what is perceived to be British interests.

Positively sickening and an insult to any expat living in Thailand. Is it really only a couple of weeks ago when the victims were slandered and libelled by a succession of Thai police and politicians who also publicly theorised that another Brit was responsible for their murders in some homosexual inspired frenzy of envy and lust?

Maybe, Mr. Kent,you were in a coma then?

Wonder if any of the mainstream media will speculate about this, or will then toe the line?

Originally Posted by Yasojack

Will the DNA results be released.?

If so if the British autopsy is performed and they get DNA, could they not just go and get a sample from the accused, and match them if not possible could the go to the accused's mother and get her DNA.

Just a idea.

The British have no jurisdiction here unless the Thai authorities invite them specifically to do these things. Do you think if a Thai was murdered in England the Thai authorities could just jump in and help "solve" it.

Note: Only 47% of violent crime in the UK ever gets "solved"....considerably less than half. Murders have a 92% solve rate but that's because most murders are committed by person(s) closely connected to the victim. The random, opportunist killings are much more difficult and have a much lower solve rate.

This KT double murder has all the appearance of a totally random act, so I don't know why everybody thought it was such an open and shut case.

Much controversy has been due to some of the stupid, mindless comments made by senior BIB officers .....but then you have to look at some of the equally stupid mindless comments made on expat forums. The BIB said "no Thais could have done this thing" ....and farangs stated that it absolutely must be Thais..... All these statements made without a scrap of real evidence, and based solely on rampant speculation, sloppy reporting and fits of Xenophobia.

Burmese workers make up about 50% of the entire island population but as far as many farangs are concerned they could not possibly be involved simply because they are poor, underpaid and exploited. A bit of sympathy for the plight of these people is understandable, but it hardly gives them a free pass when it comes to crime investigation and sometimes being the culprits.

In view of the intense scrutiny involved in this case, and the widespread criticism of the BIB, it would seem a bit unlikely that in the end they would try to pull some kind of BS cover up and framing exercise, that would leave the most senior officers vulnerable and make the whole force look ridiculous....although it has been known to happen in the past....

^Well said, koman...

While it is possible that the Burmese are guilty, after the performance of the BIB over the past two weeks I doubt anyone believes a word the BIB say.

There should be public outrage and a campaign in Londonstan to get that mealy-mouthed, cock-sucking, limp-wristed, sorry-ass excuse for a High-Commissioner and licker of Thai asses fired - the parents of these kids should just be raising hell.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

While it is possible that the Burmese are guilty, after the performance of the BIB over the past two weeks I doubt anyone believes a word the BIB say.

There should be public outrage and a campaign in Londonstan to get that mealy-mouthed, cock-sucking, limp-wristed, sorry-ass excuse for a High-Commissioner and licker of Thai asses fired - the parents of these kids should just be raising hell.

That is the problem. Nobody will want to believe anything the BIB says now..even if they come up with tons of evidence. They really should have kept quiet and not had different spokesmen shooting their mouths off, and issuing nonsense statements to the media ever other day. Badly handled on all fronts.

As for the British ambassador and his propensity for kowtowing ......

^ Fair enough, Koman.

Your post sounds reasonable to me. I was one of the guys that suspected it was likely the chief's son (my bad).
I didn't discount the possibility it was a Burmese worker - nor did I wish upon a happy star that it was a Thai.

That being said, I still think this type of horrific crime, seems indicative of a person that is very aggressive and arrogant - someone who thinks he is untouchable.

It just doesn't make sense to me and I think it odd, that a Burmese worker, whose main purpose is to keep a low profile, while saving money to send back home, would be so daring as to commit such a crime, knowing the chance of being caught is very high.

Unlikely, but possible of course. I suppose we should just put our faith in the Thai justice system, infallible and righteous as it's always been. Amen.

usually when there has been a tragic death abroad and the media jump on it the PM will give a statement did cameroon give one.?

Have we heard about the victims wallets telephones etc, if they have the killers surely the killers have the possessions were are they.?


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Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

^Well said, koman...

Indeed. The best, most balanced poster on this thread, enjoyed reading his posts.

I also pointed out a while back that random killings were very difficult if not near on impossible to solve and that it was just as likely that Farang police would struggle just as much. They obviously wouldn't have done it the same way but they would have struggled just the same.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

It just doesn't make sense to me and I think it odd, that a Burmese worker, whose main purpose is to keep a low profile, while saving money to send back home, would be so daring as to commit such a crime, knowing the chance of being caught is very high.

That pretty much sums up my problem. I find it hard to picture two Burmese workers, playing guitars on the beach, just putting down their guitars, and saying, "Ok. Now lets go rape a foreigner and brutally murder two of them".

Anything's possible, but it just doesn't ring true to me.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

usually when there has been a tragic death abroad and the media jump on it the PM will give a statement did cameroon give one.?

Have we heard about the victims wallets telephones etc, if they have the killers surely the killers have the possessions were are they.?


British backpacker Thailand murders: What happened to David Miller and Hannah Witheridge

Nothing was stolen.

The real murderers must be going around the place feeling 2 inches taller and 2 inches longer with smiles from ear to ear.

They taught those two farangs a lesson. No one fobs off them, they got the stupid disrespectful farangs good, taught them a lesson good and proper. Fully protected via Thainess. The new kings of Koh Tao.

Wonder how long until they strike again within their little kingdom. 5 yrs perhaps.

^ I hear ya Bro.

Alas, who are we to argue. They have "DTA" evidence and all! case closed, let's go grab a beer Dave.

Didn't the police say that a white male was playing the guitar on the beach first?

Police had previously said they were looking for three Westerners who were seen playing a guitar near the scene on Koh Tao's main Sairee beach. - See more at: Thailand police: Double murder was motivated by 'sexual jealousy' - Independent.ie

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

It just doesn't make sense to me and I think it odd, that a Burmese worker, whose main purpose is to keep a low profile, while saving money to send back home, would be so daring as to commit such a crime, knowing the chance of being caught is very high.

That pretty much sums up my problem. I find it hard to picture two Burmese workers, playing guitars on the beach, just putting down their guitars, and saying, "Ok. Now lets go rape a foreigner and brutally murder two of them".

Anything's possible, but it just doesn't ring true to me.

Now that is very bizarre

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Yasojack

usually when there has been a tragic death abroad and the media jump on it the PM will give a statement did cameroon give one.?

Have we heard about the victims wallets telephones etc, if they have the killers surely the killers have the possessions were are they.?


British backpacker Thailand murders: What happened to David Miller and Hannah Witheridge

Nothing was stolen.

Can't believe the readiness to accept this outcome at face value as demonstrated by some posters.

Surely you cannot be that naive or gullible?

knowlton is right to express scepticism and appears to be one of the very few on this board capable of expressing a sensible view.

Most other social media including Thai are all fairly unanimous in their disbelief at the " confession " and the police verdicts.

Still it is important a few hoary old farts should exercise their fingers in the spirit of a wider debate.

Is that too robust?

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

I was one of the guys that suspected it was likely the chief's son

It crossed my mind as well, but really apart from being from a "connected" family and the fact that he had recently left the island, I for one can't see anything to connect him to the crime, however much a lot of people on the forums wanted it to be so.

Even if he was a spoiled brat and downright nasty, that would not make him guilty, but everybody just wanted it not to be a migrant worker, so any likely Thai suspect was thrown in front of the forums firing squads before anything like evidence was made available.

There will still be doubts lingering that he had lots of help setting up an alibi, but unless somebody can establish that he was in fact on the island overnight on Sep 15th.....he's in the clear, and there's no signs of that happening. It was never confirmed or denied that he had been DNA tested.....just speculation that he had not.

There's a great deal that has not been made clear...so the speculation and wild guessing has been rampant, and shows no signs of ending soon.

No matter what the final outcome now, the BIB will be pilloried, but they really did bring it on themselves right from day one.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

usually when there has been a tragic death abroad and the media jump on it the PM will give a statement

Utter nonsense.

Again.

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