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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    So now we have a scenario where the Thais will battle each other like the Muslims and Thais down South.
    Do not fall into the religious trap (Muslims vs Thais). The problem is about the independence of Pattani and always has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    So now we have a scenario where the Thais will battle each other like the Muslims and Thais down South.
    Do not fall into the religious trap (Muslims vs Thais). The problem is about the independence of Pattani and always has been.
    If not independence then equality with the Bangkok-Centric rulers and semi-autonomy . . . though religion does play a part in both camps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
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    So now we have a scenario where the Thais will battle each other like the Muslims and Thais down South.
    Do not fall into the religious trap (Muslims vs Thais). The problem is about the independence of Pattani and always has been.
    true, but saying that there is a very nasty communal element to the violence down there. more locals vs not so locals than religious..... but religion has contributed to the nastiness of it all.
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    I think her parents were fascist fuckwits who should not have been there. You can get all misty-eyed if you like but the fact is that fascism is the greatest threat humanity has ever faced and needs to be destroyed on sight.

    Have you met her parents then?

    She was not at the demo, she was helping her grandmother wash dishes at a nearby noodle stall, hit by a stray bullet or ricochet.

    Good job you are not in charge of things here, there or anywhere.

    Resistance to antibiotics is probably the greatest threat to humanity at the moment, not some third rate thai gangster.
    Yes, it's a good thing Bob isn't in charge. Kind of ironic that he can be a cheerleader for a civil war..............after he has evacuated his family to the relative safety of Manchester, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomta View Post

    But what is really scary is the nice middle-class people who are happy to see violence as long as it's directed at the other side.
    The same kind of polite, educated middle class people who offered to pin a medal on Yinglucks naked body if she stepped down and would like the job of changing her sanitary pads.

    ( these people do have a bit of a thing about sanitry pads ? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post

    Army sends medics to help protesters
    18/02/2014

    The army has sent medical staff to aid anti-government protesters who have been injured in Tuesday's clash with riot police at Phan Fah bridge, the commander of the 1st Division King's Guard said on Tuesday.


    Maj Gen Wara Wara Bunyasit said military medical personnel, corpsmen and medical volunteers had been sent to help injured civilians on the instructions of Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha, the army chief.

    He said five companies of soldiers had also been deployed around Government House and anti-government rally sites to closely monitor the situation and prevent violence.

    That is all the army could do.

    He called on the public to understand that the army cannot do more to help civilian protesters because it is under the command of the government's Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO), which is commanded by caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yubamrung.

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    Yingluck comes out of hiding
    23/02/2014

    Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra went to Rayong Sunday to pay respects to the family of a police officer killed in the Phan Fah incident on Tuesday.



    Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra talks to police while attending the funeral of a police officer at Wat Huay Pong in Muang district, Rayong, on Sunday.
    (Photo from Yingluck Shinawatra Facebook)

    After letting Suthep Thaugsuban and his followers guess where she was, Ms Yingluck emerged in public for the first time since the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) surrounded her office at the Office of the Permanent Secretary for Defence at Muang Thong Thani on Wednesday.

    She attended the religious ceremony for Pol Maj Col Pienchai Parawat, an officer at Huay Pong police station, at Wat Huay Pong in Muang district of the eastern province at 2.30pm.

    Reporters were not aware of her visit as the schedule was kept secret until she posted it on her Yingluck Shinawatra Facebook page 45 minutes later.

    Ms Yingluck praised the late officer for his devotion to duty and sacrifice in a meeting with his family and immediately returned to an unknown location after paying respects to his body in the coffin.

    Her post was mostly greeted by her supporters. ''Keep on fighting. I'm behind you,'' Dao Dao posted after the trip was unloaded on Facebook.

    ''When will you get out, the caretaker prime minister?'' Mungmai Pongsak asked in his comment.

    ''Get out,'' said Add Aora Kaew immediately after in defence of Ms Yingluck, saying the page was for supporters of Ms Yingluck.

    Ms Yingluck's appearance came after the PDRC vowed last week to go after her, prompting her to cancel meetings last week, including one at Muang Thong Thani on Wednesday.

    Her visit to Rayong was later announced by the PDRC on its Pathumwan stage.

    Suranand Vejjajiva, her secretary-general, said Ms Yingluck is OK and is staying in a ''safe house'' in Bangkok following the rally situation. She was doing her work from there.

    The caretaker prime minister decided to go into hiding to prevent another clash between the PDRC and police, he added.

    Mr Suranand said her future itinerary includes trips upcountry but he refused to disclose the provinces. A cabinet meeting on Tuesday is still uncertain, he added.

    While Mr Suranand keeps her plans close to his chest, Chartchai Promlert, chief of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department, on Sunday offered some indications.

    He said locations hit by drought could be on her schedule, most likely in northeastern provinces.

    ''Areas in the northeastern region are facing drought. But which province (she will go to) has not been set. The plans will be concluded soon,'' Mr Chartchai said.

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    MS Yingluck needs "Saatchi and Saatchi" to come to her rescue....and big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
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    I got a number of private replies by email and in conversation that supported me but significantly, they won't say it aloud. Not when other academics advocate violence against colleagues who won't "shut up".
    Sad, really sad. And these are the type of Thai that call other Thai 'monkeys'.
    And that's coming from Thammasat. Imagine what your like-minded colleagues at Chula would have received back if they'd sent a similar message to 'all' in the faculty?

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    Did the Privy Council send anyone to the Police Officer's family? Probably - I might have missed it in the voluminous, balanced and comprehensive coverage by the Thai news media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Interesting how the two biggest red shirt supporters on this forum are the biggest proponents of civil war, yet say that it's the yellows that are the most violent.
    I haven't followed the debate but I can tell you there is a growing frustration amongst government supporters. The government has done everything by the book since the beginning of the demonstration, has shown great restraint in the handling of the protest in the streets, has followed all the guidelines given by the various courts and administration despite the obvious bias of these administration. But to no avail.

    So at the end, when everything else has failed, you have to remember the words of Clausewitz , War is the continuation of politics by other means.

    Or if you prefer a more optimistic message, you have the words of the Roman military strategist Vegetius : Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    MS Yingluck needs "Saatchi and Saatchi" to come to her rescue....and big time.
    Hill and Knowlton would be better. But they are likely already working for the Establishment (as usual), and maybe advised by the CIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel
    Kind of ironic that he can be a cheerleader for a civil war
    If civil war were to break out, would you blame the reds?

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    Yeah very funny. Did you know the USA has a manual on how to help "friendly" countries deal with insurrections (read - any group that threatens the rulers the USA likes)? It's on the Web. Has been updated a few times since the 1970s. This is what the US calls Military Trainers when they send their Psy Ops people to places like Thailand, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    This is what the US calls Military Trainers when they send their Psy Ops people to places like Thailand, etc.
    What is?
    are you suggesting Homer Simpson is a CIA plant sent over to do a little wet work for Uncle Sam and the yellows in their black war against the reds?

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    The Yingluck government does face a real threat, because of the investigation into the rice pledging scheme- but it really doesn't face much of a threat from Suthep's dwindling protest movement, which seems to be just about irritation/ disruption value these days. I have to wonder why it persists. Anyway, such 'serious' negotiations as may happen will not include Suthep- he has somewhat priced himself out of the equation. I notice Mark has been a bit more vocal recently too.

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    She faces nothing more than an ongoing plot by the establishment to overthrow democracy. The judges and commissioners of various agencies are royal monkeys waiting for their peanuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    I think her parents were fascist fuckwits who should not have been there.
    I think it's time for you to put down that weekend bottle.
    Her parents were interviewed on tv, they had been selling noodles there since years back. Does that make them fascists?

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    Well you think you have scored, lom. But yet again, we all know you are an apologist for the yellow scum, and playing off the young one's death is predictable. The real Thai people people are coming. Can you hear them? Can you and your Thai-Chink families fear them? You should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    So now we have a scenario where the Thais will battle each other like the Muslims and Thais down South.
    Do not fall into the religious trap (Muslims vs Thais). The problem is about the independence of Pattani and always has been.
    Do you believe the 'southern insurgency' has nothing to do with religion, and it's just some peaceloving Muslims looking for freedom and independence from the thieving Thais?

    Don't be shy, you wouldn't be alone because Thai politicians pretend to believe that, too.

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    Pradith says Yingluck wants to talk to PDRC
    February 24, 2014

    Caretaker Public Health Minister Pradith Sinthawanarong said Monday that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra wanted to negotiate with the leaders of People's Democratic Reform Committee to seek a solution for the political deadlock.

    He said Yingluck does not want to cling to her premier position and does not want to fight to be a premier forever. But she wanted the election to proceed in line with the rules.

    Pradith was speaking after visiting injured people at Rajavithi hospital, saying he does not want to see more innocent people die.

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    Yingluck 'harassed' in Saraburi
    24/02/2014

    Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinwatra was harassed by People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) supporters while visiting the One Tambon, One Product (OTOP) complex at tambon Phu Khae in Saraburi province on Monday, reports said.

    The pair arrived at the complex in a Bangkok-registered pick-up truck and used loud speakers to repeatedly ask the premier why she was in Saraburi instead of working in Bangkok.

    They wanted to know why Ms Yingluck was there on "holiday" while people continue to be killed in protest violence on the streets of the capital.

    Another eight PDRC protesters meanwhile arrived at the scene and blew whistles, demanding that Ms Yingluck come out and talk to them since they are taxpayers.

    Banyat Wongprayoon, the mayor of Tambon Phu Khae Municipality, tried in vain to convince the protesters to move their demonstration elsewhere.

    The protesters refused and continued addressing Ms Yingluck through their loud speakers.

    This prompted police to come to the complex and prepare to tow away the protesters' vehicles if necessary.

    Pol Col Phuban Thapchan, Saraburi deputy police superintendent, said more than 100 policemen were deployed at the OTOP complex to maintain law and order.

    He said he would negotiate with the protesters, who were known to police in the province.

    Ms Yingluck arrived at the Phu Khae OTOP complex in Chalerm Phrakiat district, Saraburi at 11am. She was accompanied by caretaker Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt, caretaker Deputy Education Minister Sermsak Pongpanich and caretaker PM's deputy secretary-general Pol Maj Gen Tawat Boonfueng.

    They were received by Saraburi Governor Suthipong Julacharoen.

    The prime minister and her entourage left the complex at 12.40pm.

    Reporters who followed them from Bangkok were told the prime minister had cancelled her other functions for the day.

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    Policeman shot at Phan Fah dies
    24/02/2014

    A policeman shot in the head the clash at Phan Fah Bridge on Feb 18 died on Monday, the Erawan emergency centre announced.

    The centre, operated by Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, said Pol Lance Corporal Sarawut Chaipanha, 28, was pronounced dead at 12.30pm at Police Hospital on Monday.

    His death raised the number of fatalities from the Phan Fah incident to six, both protesters and police, with 69 people injured, in the clash when police botched their attempt to eject protesters from the area.

    The centre reported that the accumulated casualty from the political violence since Nov 30 last year is 20 killed and 718 wounded, according to the Erawan centre.


    A policeman is carried away by colleagues after being injured at Phan Fah Bridge on Feb 18.

    (Photo by Pattarapong Chatpattarasill)

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    Thai PM rules out resigning
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    BANGKOK-Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Monday ruled out resigning despite a series of deadly attacks heaping pressure on her administration.

    Yingluck is currently in Saraburi province, (60 miles) north of Bangkok.

    She has called for dialogue to resolve a crisis that has dragged on for months, with key intersections in the capital blocked by protest camps.

    “It’s time all sides turned to talk to each other,” Yingluck told reporter

    “Many people have asked me to resign but I ask: is resignation the answer? What if it creates a power vacuum?”

    Yingluck’s office would not confirm how many days Yingluck had been working outside the capital.

    She was last seen in public in Bangkok nearly a week ago, last Tuesday, when both anti-government protesters and farmers angry about not being paid under a rice subsidy scheme were trailing her and some of her ministers.

    She is due to attend a corruption hearing in Bangkok on Thursday.

    Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul said Yingluck would hold a cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

    “It is highly likely that we will hold the cabinet meeting outside of Bangkok,” Surapong told reporters.

    The protests have been punctuated by gunfire and bomb blasts, including one on Sunday that killed a woman and a young brother and sister.

    The demonstrations are aimed at ousting Yingluck and erasing the influence of her brother, former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who is seen by many as the power behind the government.

    The political crisis, which pits the mainly middle-class anti-government demonstrators from Bangkok and the south against supporters of Yingluck from the populous rural north and northeast, shows no sign of ending soon.

    But the army, which toppled Thaksin in 2006 in the latest of 18 coups or attempted coups since Thailand became a constitutional monarchy in 1932, said it would not interfere.

    pakistantoday.com.pk
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    It's ok Ying, don;t you worry your pretty little head about it..
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    Even under stress her feet have hundred thousand baht shoes on them, her wrist a million baht watch, and her ears, God knows how much. If she took it down a notch it might help. Especially with the rice farmers hurting so bad. Being ostentatious does not go over well with the working class which has been shown many a time.

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