Thread: N Korean leader Kim Jong-il dies

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

I more or less think that's right. Except recall who was running the revolutions in BOTH places. No one in their right mind would believe that the US wasn't behind the outcome of the Arab Spring. North Korea is a bit more unpredictable. But also could be played like a fiddle by both the US and China.

If dictators are so great, why dont you move to Syria or something ? Are you at least thinking about it ?

Originally Posted by alwarner

I could well be wrong here, but I'm assuming the South Koreans haven't just been sat about doing nothing whilst the North Koreans have built up all this military hardware?

South Koreans are wimps. They should have nuked the North right away as the news broke. \The worst that would happen is some starving civilians would die.

I might be wrong but that new NK leader looks like a little fat poof ,
upshot-
George Micheal becomes the first westerner to do a concert there in 2012.


Though if NK does finally collapse and borders crumble with the South ,
the huge strain on Korea to pay for the reunification , could have some effect ,one way or the other on the global economy .

Originally Posted by blue

I might be wrong but that new NK leader looks like a little fat poof ,
upshot-
George Micheal becomes the first westerner to do a concert there in 2012.


Though if NK does finally collapse and borders crumble with the South ,
the huge strain on Korea to pay for the reunification , could have some effect ,one way or the other on the global economy .

Why do they let people do concerts there ? I thought there was sanctions for that shit. The CIA should have poisoned the fat fuck while he was in Europe. I dont know wtf they where thinking...

Any comments here which are critical of the Great Leader, Dear Leader, or Great Successor technically run afoul of the LM laws which also forbid criticism of foreign heads of states.

Originally Posted by socal

South Koreans are wimps. They should have nuked the North right away as the news broke.

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. The South Koreans did not nuke the north due to the fact that they have NO nuclear weapons there dippy.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

let's hope the new young leader will be as vibrant and courageous as his father, and will give the Americans a run for their money

Now are you both insane and crazy in medical sense, or both of just making a laugh?

I can quote from movie... Butterflys taste with men has always been totally weird. Then comes morning. He (US Sub commander) carried warheads in his boat. Where were any or any of us when they were ordered to fire. Fucking belgium has no say in this. That is personal insult to Belgian Butterfly btw.

nostromo, are you American on the top of being stupid ? btw, that's an insult to stupid people

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by alwarner

I could well be wrong here, but I'm assuming the South Koreans haven't just been sat about doing nothing whilst the North Koreans have built up all this military hardware?

South Koreans are wimps. They should have nuked the North right away as the news broke. \The worst that would happen is some starving civilians would die.

Originally Posted by nostromo

I can quote from movie... Butterflys taste with men has always been totally weird. Then comes morning. He (US Sub commander) carried warheads in his boat. Where were any or any of us when they were ordered to fire. Fucking belgium has no say in this. That is personal insult to Belgian Butterfly btw.

I btw have been to South Korea and found it is the richest country along Singapore and Hong Kong. Fucking go russia if you like poor.

But of course I am biased, I have Samsung Galaxy S2, which is stonger and better Apples new offering.

My dear family member died so I am not in condition to speak. But I am watching Australian minisereries where after the nuclear war the captain says he will pile drive the anarchists. It like feels me feel better iif more people have worsr pronlems. Now aussie have repositioned thier satellites and just maybe radiation levels have dropped. But people are already dying in Queensland.

Why I hate butters who has nothing of value to say but save some fucking dead continent.

Originally Posted by nostromo

My dear family member died so I am not in condition to speak. But I am watching Australian minisereries where after the nuclear war the captain says he will pile drive the anarchists. It like feels me feel better iif more people have worsr pronlems. Now aussie have repositioned thier satellites and just maybe radiation levels have dropped. But people are already dying in Queensland.

Why I hate butters who has nothing of value to say but save some fucking dead continent.

Anchorage is in Alaska I think?

Just read a humorous, but factual account of mourners for this very dead North korean leader.

Television cameras were focussed on a particularly enthusiastic mourner, but lingered a tad too long.

It showed that he was a performer and teaching others how to mourn.

A question of interest, I wonder if anyone has the authority, or courage to say no to any budgetary extravagance associated with aggrandizing this corpse.

I wonder if a "fiscally responsible no" would be misinterpreted in this totalitarian state.

Hmmmmmm.

The successor looks like a proper little (big) prick.
Interesting times ahead.

Uncle Jang, the real power behind Kim the younger

Glenda Kwek

December 20, 2011

Kim Jong-il with Jang Song-taek, who is married to Kim Jong-il's sister Kim Kyong-Hui. Photo: AFP

He has been described by some analysts as the power behind the throne in North Korea following the death of the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il.
But who is Jang Song-taek?
And why does he appear to wield more influence in the Hermit Kingdom than Kim Jong-un, the 27-year-old son of Kim Jong-il and his anointed successor?
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Kim the younger ... Kim Jong-un.

Kim Jong-un, dubbed the "Great Successor" by North Korean state media, had been groomed to take over North Korea, but is seen as young, untested and not yet ready to step up to the big stage alone, analysts say.
"[Kim] is turning 28 on January 8, and although he carries the title of General, Korea is a society that is attentive to age and seniority," said Scott Snyder of US think tank the Council on Foreign Relations.
"And so the idea of a twenty-eight-year-old who also commands the military is hard for outsiders to grasp and it remains to be seen whether it is in fact sustainable."
Jang is 65-years-old and was part of Kim Jong-il's inner-circle, with some describing him as the Dear Leader's right-hand man.
Other experts say he has been acting as a mentor for young Kim since his father suffered a stroke in 2008, and may have already been acting in a caretaker role.
But Jang's first encounter with the Kim dynasty was not a wholly positive one, North Korean experts told MSNBC.
He was first purged from the corridors of power when he tried to marry Kim Jong-il's younger sister Kim Kyong-hee.
In 1972, he did marry her and later became the vice chairman of the National Defence Commission - the second-in-command in North Korea, MSNBC reported.
But between 2003 to 2006, he appeared to have displeased Kim Jong-il - allegedly for attempting to accumulate power - and disappeared from public view again, MSNBC said, quoting military website GlobalSecurity.org.
"In a way [Jang's] biography reminds me of Deng Xiaoping's," analyst Marcus Noland told MSNBC.
"They keep throwing him to the countryside and he keeps coming back."
Jang was reinstated in 2007, heading up public security at the Workers Party, South Korea's The Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported.
So would Jang support or challenge Kim's claim to power?
"There is the potential for tension between Kim Jong-un and Jang Song-taek which could result in one or both precipitating a crisis to prove the new government's power to other senior leaders, although in the short term it is unlikely an internal struggle will be revealed publicly," Brittany Damora, Asia analyst for the London-based risk consultancy AKE, told Reuters.
"I anticipate increased foreign policy tensions and, later down the line, with policy likely to remain highly erratic, there is the possibility of small-scale military attacks on South Korea."
Her view was echoed by South Korean expert Ryoo Kihl-jae of University of North Korean Studies.
"Tension will arise between Jang and Kim Jong-in, because Kim will have no choice but to share some power with Jang," Professor Ryoo told The Associated Press.
Last year, according to cables leaked by WikiLeaks, the US embassy in Seoul said experts doubted that "youngest son Kim Jong-un would be able to succeed his father without sparking instability in the North".
"One argued his lack of leadership experience made it unlikely he would win the support of the ruling elites. They agreed Kim Jong-il's brother-in-law Jang Song-taek would prove a strong rival for the younger Kim and would probably be tempted to challenge him."
And Jang, despite not prominently featuring in last year's 2010 party conference, had wider connections in North Korea's bureaucracy, Mr Snyder said.
Jang also has strong support in the military as a result of his late brothers Jang Song-woo and Jang Song-gil, who held prominent positions in the armed forces, researcher Ryu Dong-ryeol of South Korea's Police Science Institute told Chosun Ilbo in June.
His eldest brother, Jang Song-woo, was a Vice Marshal and commanded the Third Army Corps, while younger brother Jang Song-gil was a Lieutenant-General and tank commander, Globalsecurity.org said.
With North Korea's boasting a five-million-strong army and a nuclear arsenal of up to eight nuclear warheads, all eyes are on whether young Kim can keep a hold on the reins of power.
"There are real concerns that heir-apparent Kim Jong-un has not had sufficient time to form the necessary alliances in the country to consolidate his future as leader," Asia analyst at IHS Global Insight, Sarah McDowell, told Reuters.
"There is now a heightened risk of an upturn in factional tensions within the North Korean political elite as senior political figures, doubting the capabilities of Kim Jong-un, could initiate a power struggle."



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Uncle Jang, the real power behind Kim the younger

^Yes this is exactly what I was getting at in a previous post. This is going to be interesting to watch for sure.

as long as he can make Americans dance and jump, he gets my vote

EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY....Kim Jong Il Vs Hulk Hogan

Kim will be packed off to an overseas university to do a long and substantial degree course, while Jang takes over the driving seat.

China will make sure no re-unification of N and S Korea ill occur.
Annexing a new buffer territory is China's modus operandi in this sort of situation.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by socal

South Koreans are wimps. They should have nuked the North right away as the news broke.

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. The South Koreans did not nuke the north due to the fact that they have NO nuclear weapons there dippy.

So you believe the rumors that Israel has nukes but you don't believe S korea has them ?

at least attack, nukes or not.

Originally Posted by Koojo

The successor looks like a proper little (big) prick.
Interesting times ahead.

Not really that interesting... This new fat sack of snot is just gonna run the hell hole the same way for the next 50 years

Originally Posted by Butterfly

nostromo, are you American on the top of being stupid ? btw, that's an insult to stupid people

You amuse yourself, don't ya?