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  1. 12-01-2007, 04:29 PM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    To take it further than White-shiva, having sex with a 14 year-old (age of consent in Canada) is ok, whereas having a photo of a naked 13 year old is child-molesting?
    You are all nit picking.

    There has to be a line and if you are in those countries it is imcumbent on you to find out what it is.

    We have had this all before, where some people think that once a girl has menstruated, she is ready, but some girls (and it is getting younger) menstruate at nine or ten.
    This just demonstrates that there must be a line drawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    To take it further than White-shiva, having sex with a 14 year-old (age of consent in Canada
    Are there no conditions on that?

    Can the other person be as old as they want and does it apply to people in positions of power (teachers etc)?

    And having a picture of a thirteen year old would not be child molesting, but it would be child porn.

    A thirteen year old is a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    BTW - I have a handful (say about dozen) of nude pictures of small boys on my computer - does that make me a pervert or a criminal? And before I get redded/banned/castrated by the TD mob, let me add that these are pictures of my own kids playing in the pool and running around the living room after their evening bath, most of them taken by my wife.
    thanks WS & Lily for continuing a sensible discussion on a touchy subject despite the abuse and potshots from the bikers...

    times have changed and with it comes a change in attitude...when I was a kid one set of bathwater did all the family...fortunately I only had one sister...but my mum and sis used to bath first then my dad & me...now of course no father would dare take his kid in the bath with him for fear of the do-gooders and PC idiots...

    my feeling is that we have lost something in the process...trust has been replaced by fear in many european countries...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lily
    Would you have any objection to people who would get turned on by it, looking at your innocent photos of your boys? It wouldn't hurt your kids.
    so I'm thinking about torrent WS: can someone look at the pics of your boys while you have torrent open...DD or anyone...what's the score on the security of your com when torrent is working?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    But there has to be a line in the sand somewhere and societies put that line in the place where they feel comfortable.
    Precisely, but then we are talking about law, not absolute standards of morality. A few years ago there were laws in the west against sodomy/homosexuality, and prior to that against adultery. In ancient Greece, it was perfectly normal for boys to have sexual relations with adults (As anyone who is familiar with Plato can attest to) - today most of us find this repugnant. So the line in sand keeps moving, and our values with it.
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    Those laws now are only invoked anyway, if the man is in a far greater position of power than the other party who is 16 tomorrow. If the partners are close in age, I haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted for thirty years or more.
    Which, to most of us makes sense, but again we see that there is no absolute definition of what is morally (or in this case even legally) right or wrong. Not completely back & white in other words (are you still with us, Rigger?).
    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    But the fact of the matter is, that possessing and viewing child pornography is against the law in most places and if someone is willing to break the law to satisfy his appetite for child porn or even pictures of naked children, then it is more likely, in my opinion that he will break the laws about sexual contact.
    A very valid point - he has already broken the law, so he may be on a slippery slope.

    But can we back this assumption up with hard facts? If this is indeed the case, couldn't we then reduce incidents of rape by banning pornography and simply arrest those who don't comply? Or reduce violence in the society by banning violent movies?

    If research had shown that by viewing child pornography, pedophiles get an outlet for their urges, and hence were less likely to harm children, would it then for instance be acceptable to provide them with explicit and realistic computer animated pictures and videos (the Japs would probably corner the market), thus ensuring that no kids were hurt. Perhaps this would completely undermine the (presumably lucrative) black market for child pornography, and thus save a large number of children from exploitation?

    Perhaps that would be something worth looking into?
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    Quote Originally Posted by klongmaster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lily
    Would you have any objection to people who would get turned on by it, looking at your innocent photos of your boys? It wouldn't hurt your kids.
    so I'm thinking about torrent WS: can someone look at the pics of your boys while you have torrent open...DD or anyone...what's the score on the security of your com when torrent is working?...
    Well I don't have torrent (yet), and if/when I do, I will take precautions. I normally operate with a bunch of external hard-drives for pictures and music anyway, so not a big deal!

    But if there were hard evidence showing that viewing kiddy porn actually reduced the chances of a pedophile living out his dreams, what then? Should we then freely make these kind of pictures available?

    The good citizen in me (ha!) says "yes, of course", the father in me says "No friggin' way, you perverted bastards!".

    See. I can be a bit of a hypocrite myself.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by klongmaster
    thanks WS & Lily for continuing a sensible discussion on a touchy subject despite the abuse and potshots from the bikers...
    I didnt see any abuse or bikers on this thread. Anyway you can what if all you like but to me it is a well marked out line that anyone with any commonsense can follow if they chose to
    And for those that can well I guess I will see you in
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    Quote Originally Posted by klongmaster
    when I was a kid one set of bathwater did all the family...fortunately I only had one sister...but my mum and sis used to bath first then my dad & me...now of course no father would dare take his kid in the bath with him for fear of the do-gooders and PC idiots...
    Thats a good point, also when I was a kid parents would take pictures of their babies having a bath, obviously when you get to dating age you just hope your parents never show those pictures to your dates, I was lucky as there were no pics of me, but a lot of my mates were embarrassed by their parents when they brought a date home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    To take it further than White-shiva, having sex with a 14 year-old (age of consent in Canada) is ok, whereas having a photo of a naked 13 year old is child-molesting?
    You are all nit picking.

    There has to be a line and if you are in those countries it is imcumbent on you to find out what it is.
    Not nit picking at all, just questioning the legal and moral boundaries, as a response to Rigger's b&w comment.

    Are there no conditions on that?

    Can the other person be as old as they want and does it apply to people in positions of power (teachers etc)?
    Canadian Criminal Code

    And having a picture of a thirteen year old would not be child molesting, but it would be child porn.

    A thirteen year old is a child.
    That's my point, possessing child porn is not the same as child molesting. Some one may have an obsession with child porn, but never act on it.

    By contrast, someone having sex in Canada with a 14 year old, hasn't done anything outside the law, but would be charged with statutory rape in the US, with the media being all over this latest case of "pedophilia".

    My point is: it's not black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    If research had shown that by viewing child pornography, pedophiles get an outlet for their urges, and hence were less likely to harm children, would it then for instance be acceptable to provide them with explicit and realistic computer animated pictures and videos (the Japs would probably corner the market), thus ensuring that no kids were hurt
    Well, I don't think that it could be proved that viewing child porn, would be an outlet and I don't think that anyone would want to endanger children by experimenting.
    Is adult pornography ever an outlet and do men who watch porn, find their sex drive, diminished. I would think that it had the opposite effect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    If this is indeed the case, couldn't we then reduce incidents of rape by banning pornography and simply arrest those who don't comply
    No, because having sex with adult females is not against the law and there are (believe it or not) females willing to have sex for fun or money.

    Rape is not about sex. It is about power and control and violence.

    It is my opinion that quite a lot of assaults on children are not committed by people who are strictly paedophile, but opportunists who take advantage of a weaker and easier prey, through intimidation or a position of power.
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