Peace - Not in our lifetimes

[Mid]

"As long as there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, September 12, 2012.



1.

I am driven with a mission from God.

God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'.

And I did.

And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'.

And I did.

And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'.

And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Sharm el-Sheikh August 2003.

Bush on God in 50 Quotes [Candide's Notebooks]


Peace is a pipedream

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[scrapmetalband]

"Only The Dead Have Seen The End Of War" There seems to be some disagreement as to who originally said this. Some believe it was Plato, I'm not sure, what I am sure of, is that a more true statement has never been made.

[The Big Fella]

ALL religions should by law be confined to your own home and place of worship and nowhere else. Inside your home or place of worship you may do as you wish but once you step out from it it stays locked away there. Anyone trying to impose their beliefs on other people regardless of what religion they are should be prosecuted for it.
This seems to be the only way to curtail such behaviour as we have witnessed over the last couple of days. Do these primitive savages honestly believe their so called omnipotent and almighty god is going to give a monkeys about a film or damaging a paper book ?
A violent, hate filled and bigoted so called religion as this has no place in a modern society in the 21st century

[Mid]

A violent, hate filled and bigoted so called religion as this has no place in a modern society in the 21st century

which violent , hate filled and bigoted so called religion are you referring to ?

[Mr Lick]

Any God simply has no place in the 21st century. Whichever country one originates from should be free of religious teaching.

It has the power to destroy mankind and modern society's especially should know better than to preach the word of an apparition. USA etc: wake up!!

[Necron99]

When the oil starts to run out religious violence will be the least of anyones worries.

[Sailing into trouble]

Most religious acts of violence are a distortion of the creed that they they are claimed to emanate from. The Holy crusades: Jamestown: The Inquisition: And now that the Christians have armed and educated the oppressed muslims of the world they have learnt well.

Man is the most gullible and inherently naive creature on the planet, he will almost without thought jump up and put himself in mortal danger for God, Nation, Political beliefs or Soccer club. It is not religion that is at fault, it is the stupidity of man.

Anyone know the last time europe was at piece without civil strife? Bleeding Christendom times when the Pope had say over national interests. Only mentioning that because for the likes of us the (average peasant) sometimes too much freedom is frigging dangerous. Just to make sure I am not into bias comments Stalin Mussolini and Hitler where all baptized as a christian church.

[Sailing into trouble]

Its late and I have had a Friday night tipple so if the last post is not clear it is because it is a reflect of my brain this evening.

[The Big Fella]

A violent, hate filled and bigoted so called religion as this has no place in a modern society in the 21st century

which violent , hate filled and bigoted so called religion are you referring to ?

Have a rough stab in the dark mate ?
The film the life of Brian took the piss big style out of Christianity and yes there were demonstrations but they were nothing like these rag head savages.
peaceful protest is fine. When they start to behave like animals in a feeding frenzy simply shoot the fcukers. let them know that yes they can protest but NO they can't start rioting !

[Mid]

seems the OP is lost on some ................................

[larvidchr]

Religion and the follower nutters are the menace and worst deadly infectious mind fvuck the world has ever seen, but the crazy Christian Crusaders are not the main instigators any-more it is first and foremost the religion of peace the violent evil menace of Islam, a combined religious and political totalitarian brainwash that totally outlaws and make secularism an impossibility wherever the followers reside.

So just quoting a retired nutter Religious ex Pres. and forgetting the Islamic menace in a thread like this, and especially considering the events the last few days, makes it look politicized rather than objective.

People need to get their heads out of their arse, especially the Western liberal apologists for Islam, there is a slow attack on free speech and western humane principles on freedom and equality, with a steady and constant relentless pressure mixed with unbridled violence and murders, the Islamic menace is successfully getting their way, very few Western Media will report on Islam truthfully these days, and if they do their words are managed more timid and carefully than nuclear fusion, same goes for most of our Politicians.

Let it be said once again, anyone claiming Islam, Christianity or whatever warrants any special kind of reverence and respect are as nut's as the insane believers, those murderous deadly beliefs has killed more people than the plague, HIV etc. and they continue to kill every single fvucking day.

Every religion are a prime candidate for ridicule, sarcasm, irony, disdain, revulsion and what else you might care to add of a similar nature, and they need to be stripped of all the false values and shown for what they really are, a vicious dangerous deadly superpac mindfvuck administered to the hapless by mostly Old dirty perverted power-sick swine's so they can keep the masses in tight control.

Break free!....... Religion is a permanent stray-jacket put on your brain, your potentials, your freedom and your life.

The murders of innocents, committed by religious insane psychopaths, allegedly because of some or other video (if that is the real reason?), should be unequivocally and forcefully condemned by liberal and conservatives alike, we are in the same boat for fvucks sake, and those people are hell-bent on destroying what our Grandparents and Parents fought and in some cases died for.

And the liberal left mantra, oh it's fobia, it is not that bad etc. etc. etc. don't wash even just a little bit, there is not one Western Nation where some kind of mainly imported Islamic domestic religious violence/conflict/social unrest/murder, is not going down and end on front-pages every single week.

Our values are slipping and sliding, some Western nations are accepting local Sharia courts FFS, and that in the face of the most primitive depraved cruel Gender oppression and mutilation the like we have not seen for 100 years or more in our Society's, we accept that people we have taken into our midst by the ethics, humane principles and goodness of our hearts, every Friday calling for our deaths and our eradication, and denouncing all our values and laws, and don't even try to say it is not so, enough cameras have been in their filthy places of their filthy fetish and that cat is out of the bag a long time ago.

The seemingly appeasement of their spokespeople is nothing but deception and a smokescreen, it is specifically described in the psycho Islam doctrines how to deceive and lie to non believers, how it is honourable and your duty to Islam to lie, and how to, if you like, sneak in by the back-door, to wait patiently until you are in a position of power.

In line with the above, their leaders/representatives in Muslim nations all denounce the religious violence perpetrated by Islam and it's followers, they claim it is only minorities, but this is a fvucking massive lie, most Muslims vehemently support and are in line with the violence and the force-full spreading of Islam's sick values even if they don't directly participate, if they where not the few radicals as they claim would soon be rooted out, but guess what! that never happens and we are forced to go there and Police for them, back home we manage quite well to take care of our own neo Nazis etc. so why can't they in their nations? because they don't want to!!!!!!!!!

On top of all this we have to content with our own home-grown religious nutters, Christian fanatics and believers, they will of-cause not support the total "war" on Religion and religious values and doctrines, so they are our own 5 column hypocrite traitors and thus enablers and protectors of Islam by default, as seen by the pathetic weak statements from the US Government when an Ambassador gets murdered, cause they have to play to the idiots in their own bible-belt

Wake the fvuck up................ please.

Rant over.

[Mid]

So just quoting a retired nutter Religious ex Pres. and forgetting the Islamic menace in a thread like this, and especially considering the events the last few days, makes it look politicized rather than objective.

The object , which may have failed , was to expose Hillary's hypocrisy and lack of a looking glass

[larvidchr]

^
OK Mid consider it done by this last post, you have to excuse that we might be a bit slow on the uptake . at least I'm not alone

[Necron99]

This search for peace.
Is peace a natural state? is is possible in a world of finite resources?
Given the base nature of man is to align into factional groups?
Is it even desirable?
How many conflicts have brokered agreements ever solved?
The Magna Carta is promoted in schoolboy texts, boys own tales and mass media as a groundbreaking agreement setting out the rights of man and establishing justice for the masses. It was nothing of the sort, it was an agreement for the division of power amongst the HiSo's. It was signed at the point of a sword one day and broken at the point of another the next.
The USA, bastion of freedom and justice, liberty and equality. Pigs arse. They have broken or arbitrarily amended to their favor just about every treaty they have ever signed. They were at war with their erstwhile allies in freedom France before the ink was dry on the English cease fire the French helped them obtain. They have in fact declared war more times than any other modern nation.
Just How many conflicts has the UN ever solved without resorting to the application of force?
Violence never solves anything?
The proper application of violence has solved more issues than any other force on earth.

[FlyFree]

Find me a window of peace in history.

If you have ANY understanding of the differences between people, not just culture but inherent differences, coupled with the fact that all living things, even if they have evolved social co-operation in order to better survive, are inherently self-centered for glaringly obvious reasons, then maybe you can fight through the goo of liberal fantasy and see that peace is simply not possible. Certainly not for many centuries to come, probably never.

The experiment of sinking down to the lowest common denominator in order to achieve peace has only resulted in an unprecedented escalation of violence. And the polarizing effect this has had continues to grow day by day. It is on the brink of erupting worldwide on a scale that will leave nobody unaffected.

The answer is not more liberal fantasy bullshit in order to desperately continue sweeping the obvious under the carpet. If liberals (as defined today) have even a modicum of intelligence they must surely start to realize the game is not working and that it is time to factually examine the world as it is, not as they wish it to be. One can only make a vision work if one starts with reality, not fantasy.

Will this happen? I doubt it. 99% of 'liberals' are but educated morons. Moron in, moron out. Education, sadly, cannot buy intelligence. (Remember those inherent differences? That's but one of them)


In the old days if there was a 'clash of civilizations', you had to get onto your hoss or ship and trek for months to go fuck each other up. Today it's quick 'n easy.


Of course, the religious fuckers love the idea of the next life. They are the main, if not only, instigators of all the fun 'n games.


Bottom line. If you cannot eliminate religion, you have not a chance in hell of peace. Especially that Cult of Death called Islam. And no, I don't just mean the 'extremists' 'who have hijacked' Islam. If you have even a cursory knowledge of it, you'd know that it is the 'moderate' Muslims who've hijacked it, if anyone.

[dobella]

I am not anyhow weird in my thoughts but when the wall in Berlin came down in '89 then we all thought life would be without 'major' conflict, as in nukes.
Since then the world has gone religiously stupid, driven by innoculous pieces of cartoons and films.
Arab Spring ? - Back to the dark ages then.

[Marmite the Dog]

Anyone trying to impose their beliefs on other people regardless of what religion they are should be prosecuted for it.

Surely that's a belief of yours you're trying to impose?

[chitown]

Sorry Mid, but no Christian churches were teaching from the Bible that America should go to war or kill nonbelievers. Maybe Bush said that, but there no churches are teaching that. I have asked this a few times on this forum - Please post some links where Christians have murdered (stoned, beheaded), tortured, ass raped, or plain old raped anyone in....let's say, the last 100 years?

The religion of peace, AKA the Nazis in headdresses are the nutters that are going to propel the globe into WW 3.

[barbaro]

"As long as there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, September 12, 2012.



1.

I am driven with a mission from God.

God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'.

And I did.

And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'.

And I did.

And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'.

And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Sharm el-Sheikh August 2003.

Mid,

Can I clarify.

The top quote is from Hillary.

The next quotes are from GWB?

[Mid]

Please post some links where Christians have murdered (stoned, beheaded), tortured, ass raped, or plain old raped anyone in....let's say, the last 100 years?

Tunnel vision

[Boon Mee]

Sorry Mid, but no Christian churches were teaching from the Bible that America should go to war or kill nonbelievers. Maybe Bush said that, but there no churches are teaching that. I have asked this a few times on this forum - Please post some links where Christians have murdered (stoned, beheaded), tortured, ass raped, or plain old raped anyone in....let's say, the last 100 years?

The religion of peace, AKA the Nazis in headdresses are the nutters that are going to propel the globe into WW 3.

It's like talking to the wall, Chi, to convey to these apologists any objectivity on the subject. Throw out that silly old 1st Ammendement will ya!

[thailazer]

Over population doesn't help a path toward peace as just by sheer percentages, there are more nuts around. Some of the studies in the sixties and seventies talked of the dangers of too many people on the planet, but at that time no one conceived of the internet that lets all the dangerous factions of the organism on earth to communicate with each other.

[Boon Mee]

So just quoting a retired nutter Religious ex Pres. and forgetting the Islamic menace in a thread like this, and especially considering the events the last few days, makes it look politicized rather than objective.

The object , which may have failed , was to expose Hillary's hypocrisy and lack of a looking glass

OK, that and the crop of idealistic Foreign Service Officers who end up 'feeding the crocodile', eh?

[koman]

Peace hurts business, and that ain't right.

Muslim fanatics are busy killing each other in all kinds of places. Keep selling them guns and just shut the fuck up you guys..

[Necron99]

Peace hurts business, and that ain't right.

Muslim fanatics are busy killing each other in all kinds of places. Keep selling them guns and just shut the fuck up you guys..

If they didn't have oil there would be no pandering to these people or their countries. the whole middle east would be a giant medieval shithole ignored by the world.