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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    It's heat that makes the energy to drive storms is it ?
    well the Antartic seems to be having plenty of blizzards without any heat .
    You lack the comprehension to be an idiot.

    From now on all your posts in this thread will be ignored by me as worthless, because you have proven them to be.

    And yes the storms are the result of global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    It's heat that makes the energy to drive storms is it ? well the Antartic seems to be having plenty of blizzards without any heat .
    We were through this before, but you chose to ignore it.

    There are different mechanisms that drive storms. One is temperature difference which drives storms in the antarctic. The other is warm oceans which fuels Hurricanes in the warm regions.

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    Bad news
    Will this mean another cold year ahead ?
    I was hoping the earth would start warming up again ..

    Thousands in El Salvador flee erupting Chaparrastique volcano


    It spewed lava in 1976 and caused a strong tremor in the area in 2010.

    (CNN) -- Thousands of residents in El Salvador were evacuated after the Chaparrastique volcano erupted Sunday morning.
    The Department of Civil Protection declared a yellow alert in the country and an orange alert in the department of San Miguel, where the volcano is located in southern El Salvador.
    According to the Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources, the eruption began at 10:30 a.m. local time and produced a column of gas and ash approximately 5 kilometers (3.1 miles) high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku View Post
    And yes the storms are the result of global warming.
    Plus all that Antarctic ice build-up right now with ships trapped is due to MMGW?

    Need some of that 'warming' right now in LOS - it's freezing!

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    Another ice age is approaching. Shut down all the power stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Plus all that Antarctic ice build-up right now with ships trapped is due to MMGW?
    Loss of total ice. Volume does not equal area.

    And yes it is.

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    It now turns out that temperature records compiled by NASA, NOAA and the UK Met Office all show no global warming since the nineties, some cooling and very little warming before that.

    Attempts to convince us that cooling is actually caused by warming have been effective only among folks with an agenda. Sooner or later, the liberal establishment will have to revert to the global cooling panic it whipped up during the 1970s.


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    Climate change by the numbers

    7: Where 2013 ranks among the warmest years in history, according to the World Meteorological Association. Tied with 2003, the ranking is based on the year’s first nine months, during which average temperatures were 0.86°F above the 1960-1991 global average.

    395.5: The average concentration levels of CO2, in parts per million (ppm), observed in the atmosphere through November.

    400: The ”milestone,” in parts per million of atmospheric CO2, that was temporarily crossed in May. It was the first time carbon levels crossed that boundary in 55 years of record-keeping — and possibly in 3 million years of history on Earth.

    95: Percent certainty with which IPCC scientists say climate change is caused by human activity, a confidence level up from 90 percent in 1997.

    1,100: Amount by which EPA regulations proposed in September would limit emissions from new coal-fired power plants, in pounds of CO2 per hour. The average plant currently emits CO2 at a rate of 1,800 pounds per hour.

    25: The factor by which the concentration of PM 2.5 — the part of air pollution most harmful to human health — exceeded the amount considered safe in the U.S. when Beijing’s first “airpocalypse” occurred in January

    1,000: Air pollution levels in the Chinese city of Harbin, in micrograms per cubic meter of PM 2.5, during October’s smog emergency. According to the World Health Organization, it shouldn’t exceed 20; anything higher than 300 is considered hazardous.

    8: Age of girl in Harbin who contracted lung cancer.

    3.8: Percent by which Japan said it would try to reduce its emissions by 2020, down from its previous pledge of 25 percent.

    1.97 million: The annual minimum extent of Arctic sea ice, in square miles. Melting this year wasn’t as severe as it was in 2012, but the remaining area was still 17 percent below average — and the sixth lowest on record.

    3.2: Current average sea level rise, in millimeters per year. Sea levels reached a record high in March.

    104.6: The average country-wide temperature, in degrees Fahrenheit, on January 7 in Australia — the continent’s hottest day on record, in its hottest month on record.

    121.3: The temperature reading, in degrees Fahrenheit, in the South Australian town of Moomba on January 12.

    90: Percent confidence with which researchers at the University of Melbourne concluded, in July, that “human influences on the Australian atmosphere had dramatically increased the odds of extreme temperatures.”

    129.2: The temperature, in degrees Fahrenheit, recorded in California’s Death Valley on June 30, setting a record for the hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth for that month.

    2: The weather emergency level declared by officials in China during this summer’s heat wave — a number normally reserved for typhoons and floods.

    1.7 billion: The estimated cost, in USD, of New Zealand’s drought — its worst in 30 years.

    10: The number of consecutive months during which over half of the contiguous U.S. experienced moderate or severe drought, which finally fell below 50 percent in mid-April 2013.

    72: Percent of land area in 10 Western states in drought conditions after a record-breaking heat wave in June.

    3.95: Inches of rain that fell from January to November in San Francisco. When the final numbers come in, it’s likely that California will be found to have had its driest year on record.

    257,000: Acres of land burned by the California Rim Fire, the biggest wildfire in Sierra’s recorded history, which caused over $50 million in damage. It was caused by a number of factors, drought and abnormal seasons included.

    5.9 – 7.9: The amount of rain, in inches, that normally falls over two and a half months and instead pummeled central Europe between May 30 and June 1. Floodwaters in Germany rose to their highest levels in over 500 years.

    1.3: The width, in miles, of the tornado that struck Moore, Oklahoma on May 20. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., caused controversy when he invoked the storm during a speech criticizing climate deniers. While researchers cannot be sure there was a link between climate change and the twister, they believe that a warming planet may host more frequent, stronger storms.

    2.6: The width, in miles, of the tornado that struck El Reno, Oklahoma ten days later. It was the widest ever measured on Earth.

    20 billion: Cost, in dollars, of plans laid out by NYC Mayor Bloomberg in June to make infrastructure improvements, including floodwalls and storm barriers, in preparation for the effects of climate change.

    6,100: The most recent death count from Typhoon Haiyan, which officially became the deadliest storm in Philippines’ history. Bodies continue to be recovered.

    132: The number of countries that walked out of the U.N. climate talks in Warsaw in protest over rich nations’ refusal to entertain the idea of compensation for extreme climate events

    90: The number of global companies that together account for two-thirds of greenhouse gas emissions, according to a report in the journal Climactic Change.

    7 billion: The number of “key individuals” responsible for climate change. The Onion, as always, is spot on.
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    Hardly an unbiased source now is it?

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    That's one thing I hate too biased news sources....
    please lets all be sensible here and just quote reliable politically neuteral news sources !

    “Climate Change” In Numbers: Doom Is Right Around The Corner Or Something | Right Wing News

    Salon’s Lindsay Abrams puts together an interesting list that is supposed to Prove Climate Change or something...

    2013 saw a record low for tornadoes. Record low for wildfires. There were zero landfalling hurricanes. The US has not been hit by a major hurricane in almost 3,000 days (over 8 years). Only 1 hurricane has made landfall since 2008 (and it can be argued that Isaac was not a hurricane). Thousands of cold temperature records have been set. It’s been snowy and stormy all around the world. There’s been no statistically significant warming in 17 years. No child born this century has seen actual warming.

    Anyway, here’s Lindsay’s top 4 on the list


    7: Where 2013 ranks among the warmest years in history, according to the World Meteorological Association. Tied with 2003, the ranking is based on the year’s first nine months, during which average temperatures were 0.86°F above the 1960-1991 global average.
    395.5: The average concentration levels of CO2, in parts per million (ppm), observed in the atmosphere through November.
    400: The ”milestone,” in parts per million of atmospheric CO2, that was temporarily crossed in May. It was the first time carbon levels crossed that boundary in 55 years of record-keeping — and possibly in 3 million years of history on Earth.
    95: Percent certainty with which IPCC scientists say climate change is caused by human activity, a confidence level up from 90 percent in 1997.
    Interesting. The ranking doesn’t include the last 3 months, which are turning very cool around the world. Despite all the increased CO2, temps are essentially flatlined. And once someone starts discussing “consensus” in relationship to science, the debate is over, because science is about evidence, not feelings.

    8: Age of girl in Harbin who contracted lung cancer.

    So Lindsay is blaming lung cancer on “climate change”? There’s no doubt that air in China truly stinks, but that is not CO2, but smog. Actual air pollution. Which needs to be addressed. Putting it under the banner of “climate change” diminishes the reality of the problem. The story linked was written by…Lindsay, who made no mention of “climate change” in the story.

    3.2: Current average sea level rise, in millimeters per year. Sea levels reached a record high in March.

    3.2mm would be average for the Holocene, and well below what would be the average during a warm period.

    121.3: The temperature reading, in degrees Fahrenheit, in the South Australian town of Moomba on January 12.

    -135.3: The temperature in Antarctica in 2013. What researchers “soul-crushing” cold. It missed the previous record by 0.5 degrees, set in 2010.

    7 billion: The number of “key individuals” responsible for climate change. The Onion, as always, is spot on.

    So why doesn’t Lindsay take herself out of the pool? No, I don’t actually want her to kill herself. But, I would suggest that she make her own life “carbon neutral”. I bet she wouldn’t be able to do it for a single month. Nor would other Warmists.

    The fact is that climate, and weather, which creates climate in the long term, will always do different things. Warming does not prove anthropogenic causation. Nor does a pause prove that we’re headed towards a cooling period. For Warmists, it’s all about hysteria, not science, intended to implement Progressive government, which means bigger and bigger government with more government control of people and the private sector.

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    '' 7: Where 2013 ranks among the warmest years in history, according to the World Meteorological Association. Tied with 2003, the ranking is based on the year’s first nine months, during which average temperatures were 0.86°F above the 1960-1991 global average. ''

    As I've said here before they just measure a few peaks of temperature , that's why they can declare it the hottest year long before it's over .
    Then using their system -a bitterly cold winter can make the very same year also the coldest year ever ....but they keep that bit quiet.

    If you MMGW supporters don't believe me , then look it up
    ie how they decide one period is hotter or colder than another ..
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    Some light reading for our intellectually challenged thread participants.

    http://lima.nasa.gov/antarctica/


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    Six Things We Learned About Our Changing Climate in 2013

    2013 was a great year for science. We discovered hundreds of exoplanets, found yet more evidence of ancient water on Mars and learned all about our species’ own evolution.

    But it’s important to remember that, in terms of the long-term survival of both our species and all others on the planet, 2013 is remarkable for a much darker reason. It’s a year in which we’ve pushed the climate further than ever away from its natural state, learned more than ever about the dire consequences of doing so, and done as little as ever to stop it.

    As greenhouse gas emissions soar unabated and the ramifications become rapidly apparent, here’s a rundown of what we learned about climate change in 2013:

    1. There are record levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

    2. Global warming may have appeared to slow down, but it’s an illusion.

    3. An overwhelming majority of scientists agree that human activities are changing the climate.

    4. Climate change is already impacting your life.

    5. There’s not nearly enough being done to stop climate change.

    6. There is one key formula to preventing catastrophic climate change.
    Read more: Six Things We Learned About Our Changing Climate in 2013 | Surprising Science

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    Meanwhile, on planet Earth it was colder in Winnipeg, Canada yesterday than on the surface of Mars.

    It was like -53C

    MMGW...right!

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    So you don't believe The Smithsonian Institute. Then there is no scientific body that could possibly convince you and you are a lost cause.

    Have fun with that.

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    1. There are record levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

    - so what?

    2. Global warming may have appeared to slow down, but it’s an illusion.

    - BS

    3. An overwhelming majority of scientists agree that human activities are changing the climate.

    - How many would lose their job if they didn't agree?

    4. Climate change is already impacting your life.

    - damn right, but not in the way you imply

    5. There’s not nearly enough being done to stop climate change.

    - stupid remark

    6. There is one key formula to preventing catastrophic climate change.

    - there's no catastrophe coming. Chill out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsetBkk View Post
    1. There are record levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

    - so what?

    2. Global warming may have appeared to slow down, but it’s an illusion.

    - BS

    3. An overwhelming majority of scientists agree that human activities are changing the climate.

    - How many would lose their job if they didn't agree?

    4. Climate change is already impacting your life.

    - damn right, but not in the way you imply

    5. There’s not nearly enough being done to stop climate change.

    - stupid remark

    6. There is one key formula to preventing catastrophic climate change.

    - there's no catastrophe coming. Chill out.
    1. Is wrong , there has been much higher levels of CO2 in the earth's history. (But cooler global temps, go figure).

    the rest of the points are not even scientific remarks.

    Real science uses observed evidence not computer models.

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    Continuing high temperatures globally and many climate extremes worldwide

    The year 2013 is currently on course to be among the top ten warmest years since modern records began in 1850, according to the World Meteorological Organization. The first nine months, January to September, tied with 2003 as the seventh warmest such period on record, with a global land and ocean surface temperature of about 0.48°C (0.86°F) above the 1961–1990 average.


    WMO’s provisional annual statement on the Status of the Global Climate 2013 provides a snapshot of regional and national temperatures. It also includes details on precipitation, floods, droughts, tropical cyclones, ice cover and sea-level. The statement was released today to inform negotiators at the United Nations climate change conference in Warsaw, Poland.

    January-September 2013 was warmer than the same period in both 2011 and 2012, when La Niña had a cooling influence. Neither La Niña nor El Niño conditions were present during the first nine months of 2013 and are not expected to emerge by the end of the year. El Niño/La Niña is a major driver of our climate and the hottest years on record, 2010 and 1998, both had El Niño events.


    In contrast with 2012, when the United States, in particular, observed record high annual temperatures, the warmth in 2013 was most extreme in Australia.

    “Temperatures so far this year are about the same as the average during 2001-2010, which was the warmest decade on record,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “All of the warmest years have been since 1998 and this year once again continues the underlying, long-term trend The coldest years now are warmer than the hottest years before 1998,” he said.

    “Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases reached new highs in 2012, and we expect them to reach unprecedented levels yet again in 2013. This means that we are committed to a warmer future,” added Mr Jarraud.

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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-2013Australia

    Australia experienced its hottest year on record in 2013, the Bureau of Meteorology has confirmed, with temperatures 1.2C above the long-term average.

    The bureau said the new high, which breaks the record set in 2005 by 0.17C, “continues the trend” of steadily rising temperatures in Australia, which has seen the country warm by about 1C since 1950.

    The year saw a number of individual records fall, including: The warmest summer and spring seasons ever recorded.

    •7 January was the hottest summer day ever recorded, at a national average maximum of 40.3C.

    •January’s heatwave set records for the hottest day, week and month on record, as well as a new record for the number of consecutive days the national average temperature exceeded 39C – seven days between 2 and 8 January.

    •The highest temperature recorded in 2013 was in Moomba in South Australia, where the mercury rose to 49.6C – the highest in Australia since 1998.

    •31 August was the warmest-ever winter day at 29.9C.

    •South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory all broke their annual average temperature records, while all other states ranked in their top four years.

    •Overall, 2013 was 1.2C above the long-term average of 21.8C set between 1961 and 1990. The 10-year mean temperature for 2004 to 2013 was 0.5C above this average, with just one year in the past decade, 2011, cooler than average.
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    Why don't the fine people of Australia light a few more carbon rich fires to increase the "extra" energy available to allow the warmer temperatures in Australia to be guided over towards the Antarctic to help free up the shipping lanes? It's just poor heat management that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    hottest year on record
    how did they measure that then ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    The warmest summer and spring seasons ever recorded.
    again how ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    •7 January was the hottest summer day ever recorded, at a national average maximum of 40.3C.
    average of what ?

    If you cannot find out how they calculate these hottest ever / coldest ever claims - figures
    then it might be an idea to stop pasting then here .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth
    the top ten warmest years since modern records began in 1850, according to the World Meteorological Organization.
    how do they calculate one period is hotter than another then ?

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    And the state of Victoria in Australia just had the coolest summer ever.

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    2013 extreme weather - A year in review


    2013 was the seventh warmest year on record and saw one of the strongest cyclones, some of the longest heatwaves and the most topsy-turvy weather experienced in decades



    On 7 November typhoon Haiyan made landfall in Guiuan, Eastern Samar, in the Philippines, with sustained winds of 145-195mph, by some measures the most powerful storm on record to strike land. This composite of satellite images shows the fearsome size of Haiyan as it headed towards the Philippines



    10 November, Leyte Island, Philippines: Villagers look for belongings amid the destruction caused by typhoon Haiyan



    4 January, Tasmania, Australia: In this photo provided by the Holmes family, Tammy Holmes and her grandchildren take refuge under a jetty as a wildfire rages nearby. There were record temperatures across southern Australia last summer



    15 January, Canudos, Brazil: A goat runs across the dry lakebed of the Cocorobo dam, down to 20% capacity, during a drought emergency. Brazil's north-east suffered its worst drought in decades, threatening hydro-power supplies, hurting corn and cotton crops, and leaving cattle and goats to starve to death in dry pastures



    17 January, Jakarta, Indonesia: Vendors run their businesses as usual despite floodwaters that inundated the Cipulir textile market. Heavy rains displaced almost 10,000 people in the Indonesian capital



    NZ - March



    16 March, Guizhou province, China: Lingering droughts in the spring affected large areas of western China. More than one million people in south-western Guizhou province and north-western Gansu province faced drinking water shortages as wells dried up



    26 March, County Antrim, Northern Ireland: It was the coldest March since 1892 in parts of the UK. Farmer Donald O'Reilly searches for sheep and lambs trapped in a snowdrift in Aughafatten



    23 May, Moore, Oklahoma: Lightning strikes during a storm as people search for salvage three days after a deadly tornado destroyed their homes



    19 June, Villelongue, France: Following heavy rain the levels of the Gap de Pau river in some places broke 1897 records and the Catholic pilgrim town of Lourdes was flooded



    22 June, Uttarakhand, India: Soldiers try to repair a temporary footbridge over the river Alaknanda after early monsoon rains swelled the Ganges, sweeping away houses and leaving tens of thousands of people stranded



    6–7 July, Beichuan, China: South-west China experienced what was described as its heaviest rainfall in 50 years. Qushan, the former county seat of Beichuan which was depopulated after the 2008 earthquake, was submerged in seven metres of water



    8 July, Toronto, Canada: Passengers remained in good spirits while waiting to be rescued from a GO train stuck in floodwaters during a heavy rainstorm. Floods in June in southern Alberta were declared by insurers the costliest natural disaster in Canadian history, with property damage exceeding $1.7bn



    July, Svalbard, Greenland: A 16-year-old male polar bear that died of starvation resulting from a lack of ice. May 2013 broke temperature records around Finland's Lapland, with 30.5°C recorded in Utsjoki



    21 August, Buck Meadows, California: Fire consumes trees along highway 120. The amount of land in the US burned by wildfires during 2013 was much lower than the 10-year average, according to the National Interagency Fire Centre. Atypical weather patterns leading to substantial rainfall in portions of the western US may have contributed to the low amount of wildfire activity



    4 September, Wichita Falls, Texas: The skeleton of a fish lies in the mud below a dock at Lake Arrowhead state park. The lake was close to six metres low due to a drought

    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...weather-events

    Something to ponder on or just another 'not in my lifetime' observation?
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    Eleven global warming stories from 2013 that you may not have heard of, if you rely on the Lamestream Media.

    Dig it!

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