Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by blue

The snowfall and skiing start dates are always fickle in Europe , besides winter has hardly started yet .
......nothing to worry about .

20th December....

winter starts - solstice 21 December

winter ends - spring equinox March 20

Or have the PC mob changed that too ?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

About 20 years ago, melting ice high up in the Italian Alps exposed the 5,000-year-old body of Ötzi the Iceman,....

A 2,600-year-old leaf found from a larch tree near the site of Ötzi’s discovery reconfirms that glaciers on the Italian Alps, which had remained frozen year-round for thousands of years, are now melting.

so it was a lot warmer 5000 years ago , with trees and humans up there..

Why are you PC mob so afraid of change ?
A snow free Alps ? big deal

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

"This year has been trying for climate scientists and environmentalists who have been trying hard to explain away the 17-year hiatus in global warming and link “extreme weather” to rising greenhouse gas emissions — despite strong evidence to the contrary. There has been a breakdown in the manmade global warming consensus, and some even argue we are headed for an ice age."

You have been told that the paper that published that claim was seriously flawed and has been retracted. It is a false claim. Disinformation propagated by the denialist site you linked to.

2013 will go down as the year that registered Australia's hottest day, month, season, 12-month period - and, by December 31, the hottest calendar year.

Weather geeks have watched records tumble. These tallies include obscure ones, such as the latest autumn day above 45C (Western Australia's Onslow Airport at 45.6C on March 21), the hottest winter's day nationally (29.92C , August 31), and even Wednesday this week, with the hottest-ever 9am reading (44.6C, at Eyre weather station near the WA-South Australian border).

''We're smashing the records,'' says Professor Andy Pitman, director of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science at the University of NSW.

''We're not tinkering away at them - they're being absolutely blitzed.''

Read more: Records melt in our hottest year

Good observation.

2013 will go down in the record books as one of the 10 coldest years in the U.S. since 1895. This chart, from Real Science, shows the average temperatures recorded at all NOAA USHCN stations from 1895 to the present:



As Real Science points out, NOAA does not report temperatures as they are actually recorded at the time. Rather, NOAA alters the historical record to make past temperatures look lower so as to bolster its bogus global warming claims:

NOAA will reporting something very different, because they subtract up to 1.7 degrees from older temperatures. Essentially all reported US warming is due to a hockey stick of temperature adjustments, which makes the past appear to be much colder than what the thermometers measured at the time. (They of course do not mention this in their press releases.)

Climate scientists get billions of dollars in funding from the U.S. government, and they serve their paymasters by “adjusting” the data. Climate alarmism isn’t just misguided, it is corrupt.

Interpolate a median line on that graph you posted Boon.

Go on, do it.

You trend~setter you.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

We are all very aware there is Climate Change but...the science isn't in re MMGW...

The science is in, and only the truly ignorant choose to ignore it.



Sure, there will always be some nutjobs who will argue that the earth is flat and cigarettes are good for you, but this lunatic fringe is small and shrinking-

Antarctic tourist ship trapped by sea ice



(CNN) -- Passengers on a Russian polar expedition ship off Antarctica are getting a whiter Christmas than they probably wanted.
The MV Akademik Shokalskiy, with 74 people aboard, got trapped in ice and is waiting for other ships with ice-breaking capabilities to reach it, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said

Russian ship stuck in ice near Antarctica - CNN.com

look at it warmists !

So MMGW supporters why didn't your the climate models perform as advertised ?

Lawrence Solomon: For Global Warming Campaigners, 2013 Was The Year From Hell | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

Lawrence Solomon: For Global Warming Campaigners, 2013 Was The Year From Hell

• Date: 20/12/13
• Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post

2013 marks the 17th year of no warming on the planet. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong for the cause of global warming

2013 has been a gloomy year for global warming enthusiasts. The sea ice in the Antarctic set a record, according to NASA, extending over a greater area than at any time since 1979 when satellite measurements first began. In the Arctic the news is also glum. Five years ago, Al Gore predicted that by 2013 “the entire North polar ice cap will be gone.” Didn’t happen. Instead, a deflated Gore saw the Arctic ice cap increase by 50% over 2012. This year’s Arctic ice likewise exceeded that of 2008, the year of his prediction. And that of 2009, 2010 and 2011.


Weather between the poles has also conspired to make the global warming believers look bad. In December, U.S. weather stations reported over 2000 record cold and snow days. Almost 60% of the U.S. was covered in snow, twice as much as last year. The heavens even opened up in the Holy Land, where an awestruck citizenry saw 16 inches of snow fall in Jerusalem, almost three feet in its environs. Snow blanketed Cairo for the first time in more than 100 years.


2013 marks the 17th year of no warming on the planet. It marks the first time that James Hansen, Al Gore’s guru and the one whose predictions set off the global warming scare, admitted that warming had stopped. It marks the first time that major media enforcers of the orthodoxy — the Economist, Reuters and the London Telegraph – admitted that the science was not settled on global warming, the Economist even mocking the scientists’ models by putting them on “negative watch.” Scientific predictions of global cooling – until recently mostly shunned in the academic press for fear of being labeled crackpot – were published and publicized by no less than the BBC, a broadcaster previously unmatched in the anthropogenic apocalyptic media.


2013 was likewise bleak for businesses banking on global warming. Layoffs and bankruptcies continued to mount for European and North American companies producing solar panels and wind turbines, as did their pleas for subsidies to fight off what they labelled unfair competition from Chinese firms. Starting in 2013, though, their excuses have been wearing thin. China’s Suntech, the world’s largest solar panel manufacturer, has now filed for bankruptcy, as has LDK Solar, another major firm. Sinovel, China’s largest manufacturers of wind turbines and the world second largest, reported it lost $100-million after its revenues plunged 60%, and it is now closing plants in Canada, the U.S., and Europe.


While these no-carbon technologies get buried, carbon rich fuels go gung ho. Last month Germany fired up a spanking new coal plant, the first of 10 modern CO2-gushers that Europe’s biggest economy will be banking on to power its economy into the 21st century. Worldwide, 1200 coal-fired plants are in the works. According to the International Agency, coal’s dominance will especially grow in the countries of the developing world, helping to raise their poor out of poverty as they modernize their economies.

All that smoke will help cool the planet down ..... next time the sun starts warming again !

You've brought up the "more energy" thing again. Can you explain what you mean, please? (with all due respect, it doesn't sound very scientific and I know you are concerned with the science)

More heat in the oceans, land and atmosphere.

Heat is a form of electromagnetic energy residing in the infrared part of the spectrum.

Heat moves towards cold in a process that establishes an equilibrium as defined by Newtons 2nd law otherwise known as entropy.

An excess of heat is what is driving the increasing number of extreme weather events around the globe, both summer and winter events.

Posting up these weather events is not evidence against global warming. It is evidence for global warming.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by S Landreth

About 20 years ago, melting ice high up in the Italian Alps exposed the 5,000-year-old body of Ötzi the Iceman,....

A 2,600-year-old leaf found from a larch tree near the site of Ötzi’s discovery reconfirms that glaciers on the Italian Alps, which had remained frozen year-round for thousands of years, are now melting.

so it was a lot warmer 5000 years ago , with trees and humans up there..

Why are you PC mob so afraid of change ?
A snow free Alps ? big deal

It is. Humans with brains and dexterity like ours have been around for 200,000 years, but were forced to live in small bands of prowlers for 190,000 of them. When the climate finally stabilized, the sea didn't advance or retreat 50 miles anymore, weather patterns became predictable and they knew they could harvest at the same time next year again, they settled and built civilizations.

So now that the weather is borked again humans are going to go back to being prowlers and give up on civilization?

Sounds good to me. Too many humans on this rock anyway IMO.

I hope I survive!

Not us yet, but the future of the next generation and beyond will be bellicose. We are organized in nation states with little solidarity with the people beyond the borders, heck, not even our own. Many of them will lose much of their fertile land, flooded by saltwater here, droughts there, and washed away by torrential rains over there. They will be hungry and angry. Now you can't just go to Baffinland and grow corn when it's warm enough up there, there's only rocks, no top soil. Takes centuries to build it up, and stable weather patterns.

you lot make me laugh .
Lies ? do you believe the governments employment , inflation figures etc ?
of course not !
but you lap up the climate temp figures .

We are no better than Winston Smith in 1984 , he has to listen to the propaganda about iron steel production going up so many %, but is, like everyone else short of razor blades...

Part One


1
It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. Winston Smith, his chin nuzzled into his breast in an effort to escape the vile wind, slipped quickly through the glass doors of Victory Mansions, though not quickly enough to prevent a swirl of gritty dust from entering along with him.

brrrrrrrrrrrr
who wants to be cold ?
lets try and see if there really is a way to warm the Earth up .

I have been lied to from the sixties by the experts in all areas,medical scientific, politicians and even though I never lived in the U.S.A their varies Government agencies where so powerful in brainwashing the countries under their control. Now I hate them all and don,t believe anything they say. A Thai bar girl has more integrity.
Global weather patterns is another suspect ,very suspect.

Physics don't lie.

A Visit From ‘Saint Joe’
By Joe Bastardi Dec. 18, 2013

((With apologies to Clement Clark Moore.)

‘Twas the week before Christmas, when all through the news,
There were reports of record cold, so many were confused.
Told global warming is why we should care,


 And that the point of no return would soon be here.

The children were bombarded with tales of dread,


 While visions of climate disasters were stuck in each little head.


 And mamma in her Prius, and I on my bike,


 To save the planet, got rid of the cars that we like.

When suddenly in the data there arose such a clatter,


 The earth was not warming, what could be the matter?


The warming stopped, as quick as a flash,

 Leaving proponents in sack-cloth, bathing in ash.



For far too common was new-fallen snow,


 More than forecasted, temperatures 0 or below.


 And, what to my wondering eye there appears,


But an uptick in sea ice, and even more polar bears.



With a little old driver, called the PDO,


 I knew in a moment it had to be so.


 Howling like beagles fearing the shame,


AGW pushers called skeptics many a name!


"Now, Denier! now, madman! now neanderthal, you’re lying!


 You’re an idiot! you’re stupid, know nothing, we’re frying!


To the top of the chart! breaking through the temperature wall!


The warmings out of control, it’s frying us all!”

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,


 This is the worst drought ever, global warming is why.


So up to the IPCC the climate pushers flew,


 With a gravy train of grants, and politics too.

Make economies pay, we need no proof,


 Just keep saying temperatures are going through the roof.


With the media complicit, my head was turning around,


To see the global temperature level off and then come down.



The warming had stopped, in their mouth was their foot,


 Exposing the scam, and making off with the loot.


Readjusting temperatures, from many years back,


 Peddling disinformation to the media pack.

At conferences they would drink and make merry!


 While the deceit grew in a way, that made it quite scary!


 For the tide it had turned, there was cold that would show,


You can’t say it’s warmer, if there’s too much snow.

The cold that was showing led to chattering of teeth,


 As the cycle came full circle, not unlike a wreath.


The face of global warming had become a subject smelly,


Their position as “solid,” as a bowlful of jelly!



Hockey sticks broken, sea ice on the increase,


 I laughed when I heard their excuses not cease.


 Events we all knew were something ahead,


 Were twisted into worst ever, something to dread.

How dare mother nature destroy AGW’s life’s work,


These deniers are as nasty as a Miley Cyrus Twerk.


But the data is there and everyone knows,


The temperatures leveled off while CO2 rose!

So when in the wire, you hear the cold wind whistle,


 The AGW agenda is ready for dismissal.


 So let me exclaim, as this fades out of sight,


 “Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”

ICECAP

oh dear , that ship that is stuck in the Antartic ice ,
is still stuck, and the ice breaker rescue ship is having to keep it's distance ,
It's summer there , but very bad weather .
It's heat that makes the energy to drive storms is it ?
well the Antartic seems to be having plenty of blizzards without any heat .

A Chinese icebreaker headed to the Antarctic region to rescue a vessel stalled Friday due to bad weather and icy conditions.

The ship Xue Long, which means Snow Dragon in English, was just shy of seven miles from the stranded Russian ship when it was forced to stop on Friday, CNN reports. The MV Akademik Shokalskiy has been stuck in ice since Monday and sent a satellite distress signal for help on Christmas. Capt. Wang Jiangzhong said it may be two more days before the Chinese government ship reaches the vessel.

The captain also said that should conditions worsen, the crew may need help from one of three icebreakers en route to help the Russian vessel, but the ship has a helicopter on board for medical emergencies. Australia’s Aurora Australis and the French ship Astrolabe are also headed to rescue the 74 passengers and crew members on board the Russian vessel.

The MV Akademik Shokalskiy was 15 days into the second leg of a climate change research expedition when it wedged into ice of up to 10 feet. Expedition leader Chris Turney said everyone on board remains safe.

If it were colder down there, icebergs and sheets wouldn't float around and surround ships, but be frozen in place. You watched it hundreds of times on TV and in cinemas that ships get stuck when ice closes in on them driven by the wind, and never trying to break through. If they get stuck this way, they just reverse. It never happens during the winter because ships can't get through anyway. Titanic sank in April, when spring sent the iceberg her way.

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