Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

^ Exactly and Boontard is guilty of the same thing. Ridiculous really.

Wow anyone would think that the globalist technocrats pushing this climate change hoax actually wanted to decimate the worlds population through famine.


Oh, hang on, they do.

Meanwhile New Zealand is in the grip of the coldest winter in living memory.The second lowest temperature ever recorded in the country, -21c was recently recorded in the South Island which at present has snow down to sea level in places. With the East of the North Island experiencing the heaviest snow falls ever.

Climate change is real, it always has been and always will be from ice age to warming period and back to ice age again.
What is also real are the billions of $$ that have been made and are still being made by those who promote climate change as man made.

Originally Posted by birding

Meanwhile New Zealand is in the grip of the coldest winter in living memory

Oh for gods sake dont start saying things like this. These fakers have only just finished changing all their propaganda from Global Warming to Climate Change. You'll have them all going back digging up their man made global cooling faked evidence and branding again.

Originally Posted by birding

Climate change is real, it always has been and always will be from ice age to warming period and back to ice age again.
What is also real are the billions of $$ that have been made and are still being made by those who promote climate change as man made.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by birding

Meanwhile New Zealand is in the grip of the coldest winter in living memory.The second lowest temperature ever recorded in the country, -21c was recently recorded in the South Island which at present has snow down to sea level in places. With the East of the North Island experiencing the heaviest snow falls ever.

Climate change is real, it always has been and always will be from ice age to warming period and back to ice age again.
What is also real are the billions of $$ that have been made and are still being made by those who promote climate change as man made.

Oh good another one.

Guys if you invest $500'000 climate change has to be real

Certainly hope all these investors ain't getting duped.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Guys if you invest $500'000 climate change has to be real

Certainly hope all these investors ain't getting duped.

I hope they are - funny it trust fund boy landreth loses his inherited fortune. Then he can call up Hitlery and ask for his donation to her foundation back.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Guys if you invest $500'000 climate change has to be real

Certainly hope all these investors ain't getting duped.

I hope they are - funny it trust fund boy landreth loses his inherited fortune. Then he can call up Hitlery and ask for his donation to her foundation back.

Does that mean he can't take that S. Amercan tour he was bragging on about?

Do they have beach huts made from eco freindly products.?

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Do they have beach huts made from eco freindly products.?

Well, better determine the carbon foot print before, eh?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Arctic expedition to study global warming put on hold because of too much ice.

Yes dummy the sea ice is melt ice. So that is a catastrophic sign of global warming.

On November 29, we march!

Creating a world powered on clean energy to save ourselves from climate catastrophe is a central challenge of our time, and requires a revolutionary transition in our economies. We can’t wait for our leaders to solve this problem; unless they feel serious public pressure, they’ll never go far enough or fast enough. Revolutions start with people, not politicians.

To survive the 21st century, we must discover the sense of common purpose that has driven revolutionary change through history, building a mass movement to stretch what our politicians believe is possible. We must lead, not follow, and bring leaders with us.

In the years leading up to 2014, as the gap between what the science demanded and our politicians delivered widened, fatalism began to creep into parts of the climate movement. Then a handful of organizers took a major bet on the power of people – calling for the largest climate change mobilization in history to kick-start political momentum.

Dates and areas | Coalition Climat 21

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For the past year or two (at least every other page?), some denier has posted an article stating it hasn’t warmed in the past 15 or so years. The pause or hiatus.

When it happens again, I will copy and paste this portion of this post to counter the denier. Or at least once on the same page, when they start spewing the same crap. Well,…….I might update the counter post when and if they announce 2015 has broken the record for the warmest year recorded.

When it comes to global warming, we know. It’s real. It’s man-made. It’s dangerous.

We now have data for global temperature at earth’s surface (which is where we live) through June of this year, from both NASA and NOAA. Graphs are a lot less messy if we convert monthly data to yearly, simply by computing annual averages. This year (2015) isn’t complete yet, but I’ll plot the 2015-so-far averages anyway, to give you an idea of how the year is shaping up compared to previous years. I’ll also put them on the same baseline, more easily to compare the two. Without further ado, here’s the result:

Those in denial of global warming, its human causation, and/or its danger, have been trying their best to convince everyone that global warming has mysteriously “paused” or exhibited some “hiatus.” They do so by turning their focus on an all-too-short time span:

The frailty of their belief is even more obvious if we zoom in on the data since 1970, and add trend lines (by linear regression) estimated from data since that time:

The data during “denial time” continues to follow the trend, plus the same amount of up-and-down fluctuation that global temperature has always shown, and always will. But if you’re in denial, it’s all too easy to see random fluctuation as a meaningful pattern whether true or not. If you have an ideological motive not to believe in global warming, it’s difficult not to do that.

The last two years have made the “pausemaniacs” a bit hot under the collar; 2014 set a new record for hottest year, and — as is clear from the data — 2015 is well on its way to break that record. That leaves “pausemaniacs” only two choices: either ignore what’s happening recently at earth’s surface (where we live), or just refuse to believe the data, usually based on slandering the scientists who provide it. You know, all those scientists from NASA and NOAA who have spent their lives studying climate.

Of course to make that work, it’s not enough to accuse just NASA and NOAA scientists of being lying fraudsters, you also have to believe that of scientists from the meteorological office of Great Britain, and from the Japan meteorological agency, and yet more. Once you start down the slippery slope of making global warming into a giant conspiracy, you can’t stop with just the U.S.

But I digress.

Since 1970 global temperature has marched steadily upward (together with those up-and-down fluctuations that are always happening). The warming rate is, according to NOAA data, 0.0166 +/- 0.0027 deg.C/yr, while using NASA data it’s 0.0174 +/- 0.0027 deg.C/yr. The two estimates are well within each other’s confidence intervals. Applying the same tests used here, where I demonstrated just how non-existent the non-existent “pause” is, we find no evidence that the rate has changed since 1970.

Most land area is in the northern hemisphere while the southern is mainly ocean. The oceans have a much greater heat capacity than land, so it takes more heat energy to raise their temperature. On this basis, scientists predicted quite a while ago that the northern hemisphere would warm faster than the southern.

In addition to global temperature, both NASA and NOAA also provide estimates for earth’s two hemispheres separately, which enables us to check the predicted hemispheric difference in warming rates. Here’s the entire time span for the southern hemisphere:

Notice that it covers less total range than the global data. Here it is since 1970:

NOAA lists the year-so-far as hotter than any previous year, but NASA doesn’t.

Here’s the data for the northern hemisphere (where most of us live):

Note that it covers more total range the the global data. Here it is since 1970:

Not only do both data sets show this-year-so-far hotter than any previous year, they do so by a large margin.

It turns out that the southern hemisphere is warming at a “mere” 0.0109 +/- 0.0026 deg.C/yr according to NOAA data, 0.0109 +/- 0.0020 deg.C/yr according to that from NASA. The northern hemisphere, however, is warming considerably faster, at 0.0220 +/- 0.0030 using NOAA data, 0.0238 +/- 0.0034 deg.C/yr using NASA data. The larger error ranges for the northern hemisphere are because, dominated by land rather than ocean, it shows larger fluctuations than the southern.

NASA also provides zonal data, to inform about how different latitude bands are heating up. This enables us to check another prediction from long ago, that the Arctic would warm much faster than the globe as a whole. NASA’s zonal data are already annual averages, so they don’t include 2015-so-far data, but here is the data for the Arctic region (latitudes 64N to 90N):

As expected, the Arctic is warming quite a bit faster, at a whopping 0.0486 +/- 0.0093 deg.C/yr, more than twice the global average.

As I’ve often pointed out, global temperature is hardly the only evidence of man-made global warming. There’s lots. Really, a massive amount. If global warming were some hoax, a conspiracy concocted by the scientists who keep track of temperature data to bilk Exxon-Mobil out of their hard-earned billions and billions, then the lack of global warming would surely show in the vast bulk of that non-temperature data. But the truth is, that the vast bulk of that non-temperature data doesn’t contradict man-made global warming, rather it confirms it.

Yet for some reason (can you guess?) far too many politicians, especially Republican candidates for President, either say outright that they’re not convinced, or say outright that it’s a fraud. Funny how many of them start by saying “I’m not a scientist, but …”, then refuse to believe the scientists. By which I mean climate scientists, not some retired physicist or engineer.

Some don,t seem to be able to understand that just because there is a warming cycle at the moment doesn't mean that warming is man made.

However as far as I am concerned the less pollution the better whether it relates to climate change or not, and the more forests that are retained to soak up what there is the better. Yet there are still those who would destroy forests to build dams which are not as clean and green as they are made out to be, check out: https://www.newscientist.com/article...cret-revealed/

So…the science isn’t settled after all?

Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, explains why “climate change,” far from being a recent human-caused disaster, is, for a myriad of complex reasons, a fact of life on Planet Earth.



"Of course religion is based on faith, not fact. And since Climate Change is the only religion many Warmers have you can expect them to stick to their guns and cling to their religion."

The Climate-Change Religion - WSJ

Imagine that! More bad news for the Climate-istas here: Michelle Obama's Mirror

^ More junk from the fox oligarchy. Can you find one other scientist besides the seven shitbirds that sever big oil?

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ More junk from the fox oligarchy. Can you find one other scientist besides the seven shitbirds that sever big oil?

Last time we checked Fox has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal or Greenpeace?

You are severely delusional - get help.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Last time we checked Fox has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal or Greenpeace?

Keep shouting into that echo chamber.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Last time we checked Fox has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal or Greenpeace? I am severely delusional - I need help.

After all I am convinced the Rupert Murdoch owner of fox and Rupert Murdoch the owner of the wsj or in fact doppelgangers and not the same person

I am forced to agree with you. I would suggest that you get your self commited for the sake of humanity ans in the meantime, don't leave the packing crate.

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Last time we checked Fox has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal or Greenpeace? I am severely delusional - I need help.

After all I am convinced the Rupert Murdoch owner of fox and Rupert Murdoch the owner of the wsj or in fact doppelgangers and not the same person

I am forced to agree with you. I would suggest that you get your self commited for the sake of humanity ans in the meantime, don't leave the packing crate.

Checked the WSJ & Greenpeace regarding this so-called 'Globul Warming' thing have you?

This seems to be a bickering session, where both sides are talking about slightly different things that they think are the same thing.

Climate Change is not the same thing as Global Warming. Global Warming is an obvious subset idea within the Venn diagram of Climate Change; Climate Change is a sensible catch-all that doesn't commit one to being specific or getting eco-zealous about things; i.e.: the academic approach.

The real debate is about Anthropogenic Input into Climate Change, both qualitative and quantative, and the economic and resource allocation impacts of that (which includes the health impacts; logistics impacts; and land use impacts); with a knock-on into identity and ownership politics.

The climate change debate is a proxy war about economics: collectivism v capitalism.

Not quite.

The evidence that global warming is real, man made and a threat to our futures is as real as the evidence that asbestos and tobacco cause cancer was over 30 years ago.

In all three cases you have industries whose business modle is threatened by this evidence. They for a modest sum of money can pay people to generate manufactured controversy and doubt. They can call on a legion of sceptial thinkers without the intelligence to differentiate fact from fiction and simply choose to believe any alternative media that tells them what they would like to be true is true.

With care this campaign can lobby with a power way beyond its public support and delay legislation and political action for decades. And each year these businesses get delay action increases their profits. you will find that there is continuity in the people involved in all of these 'controversies', which die as soon as industry stops funding them, DDT, tobacco, ozone hole, asbestos, global warming.


The only collectivism v capitalism going on in this fight is the private ownership of the profits the oil industry gains in delaying action against global warming and the socialization of the costs to the tax payers of the world.

Lets not forget, the value of an oil company is based upon the value of the potential profits they can create from unexstracted oil they have licenses to extract. Anything that threatens oil demand or their ability to extract that oil is a threat to value and viability of their business.

Originally Posted by hazz

Not quite.

The evidence that global warming is real, man made and a threat to our futures is as real as the evidence that asbestos and tobacco cause cancer was over 30 years ago.

In all three cases you have industries whose business modle is threatened by this evidence. They for a modest sum of money can pay people to generate manufactured controversy and doubt. They can call on a legion of sceptial thinkers without the intelligence to differentiate fact from fiction and simply choose to believe any alternative media that tells them what they would like to be true is true.

With care this campaign can lobby with a power way beyond its public support and delay legislation and political action for decades. And each year these businesses get delay action increases their profits. you will find that there is continuity in the people involved in all of these 'controversies', which die as soon as industry stops funding them, DDT, tobacco, ozone hole, asbestos, global warming.


The only collectivism v capitalism going on in this fight is the private ownership of the profits the oil industry gains in delaying action against global warming and the socialization of the costs to the tax payers of the world.

Lets not forget, the value of an oil company is based upon the value of the potential profits they can create from unexstracted oil they have licenses to extract. Anything that threatens oil demand or their ability to extract that oil is a threat to value and viability of their business.

Sounds just what the proponents of global warming are doing.....Making a fortune from something they have invented for that purpose.

Take the trading in carbon credits for example, a great idea to make someone money at the same time allowing those who pollute to carry on polluting as long as they pay a small stipend to do so.

Climate change is real, always has been and always will be and no matter what you and I or anyone else do that wont change.

Man made global warming is a con by con men for con men.

Pollution on the other hand is also real and needs to be tackled not because it is warming the planet but because it is pollution and has many adverse effects such as on health of people and the environment.