British Government will cancel passports

[Begbie]

British Government will cancel passports

The British Government Child Support Agency intends to cancel passports of errant dads who haven't beeen paying their child maintenance. I wonder how many bar flies in Pattaya are in for a shock.

Mr Hutton said: "The commission will be given extra powers to recover maintenance from those who repeatedly fail to pay.
"This will include the imposition of new curfews and the surrendering of passports,

BBC NEWS | UK | Tough new powers on child support

[in4zip]

errant dads, errant dads, errant dads!
when is there gonna be some legislation
re. errant ballbusting fat petulant moms?

[barbaro]

In many U.S. states, if a parent (usually a dad) falls behind over $5,000 USD, his passport is automatically cancelled.

Meaning: when he goes to renew his visa, it will come up on the computer and the visa won't be issued.

I know one teacher who had this happen. He sent in his passport for his business visa to be renewed, and it was returned back to him. He made some calls and was told he had to pay X amount to the state for his passport to be valid again.

He borrowed money to go back to the U.S. and he worked to pay it down.

I also know people inside the U.S. who could not leave the USA because their passport was cancelled (via computer).

Yes, there are some people who will be in for a shock in Pattaya.

[stroller]

They'll just return to the UK and sign on the dole, noone's gonna get a penny out of these beer-swilling louts.

[friscofrankie]

beer-swilling louts.

Just the kind of mentality that makes the abuses of this system so palatable to everyone. All men with huge debts they will never be able to pay are "beer swilling louts." What the fuck about the bitches that lie, the District attorney;s that manipulate court record. what about the free legal representation gainfully employed women receive?

The burden of proof is on those "beer swillin louts: as you call them to disprove all allegations & accusations. If the "beer swilling lout" failed to keep every canceled check, if he ever paid in cash or if the ex ever said "I need my car fixed can you pay instead of childs upport this month?" (even if he did save receipts) He is fucked for life!

If the bitch in question was a no good fuckin speed freak and left the kids at his door for years or sent them away out of reach violating the custody agreement. If all the money he gave her was wasted on good times, so he bought groceries and paid rent He is fucked for life!

If ever the poor fucker lost his job and was just unable to pay, unable afford an attorney to go to court with him and get the support reduced (not that it would ever happen anyway) He is Fucked for life

The number of men that wanted to be part of the children's lives but re prevented from this because of abusive child support enforcement. The number of men that had kids through some long ago affair, perhaps they never knew the kids existed (yeah I know of one case dude found out he had a 19 year old daughter when he was hit with over $100K in back child support). The abuses of the child support system have ruined the lives of more upstanding, loving men genuinely concerned for their children than they have ever helped children.

SO go on thinkin that these poor bastards unable to afford a car or decent place to live are "beer swillin louts" as long as ingorant dumb fucks believe the hype, fall for the bullshit; the honest, hard working fathers with child support burdens they can never in their lifetime get out from under, will never have a chance. never gain a voice of support. Yeah they're all drunken bums; probably beat their kids too eh?

I guess it's politically correct to abuse any man that has fallen behind in child support for whatever reason, I guess it's politically correct to lie ruin a mans life. Of course it's politically correct to state that any woman by being a mother is totally beyond suspicion or reproach. Yeah Of course it must be politically correct to call these poor bastards "beer swilling louts."

Great fuckin' comment.

[stroller]

Fair enough, that's the other side of the story, I also know guys who suffer from the system.

[ChiangMai noon]

That was a wonderful post Frankie.
one i will follow when i am sober enough to give it the credit it deserves.

[Little Chuchok]

yep,I know a bloke that was well and truly fcuked over by his wife.She left him for a very wealthy bloke.three young kids.He struggled and struggled.At times he wondered where his next meal would come from.He always had his kids in the weekends...never failed.never failed to make sure that they were provided for properly.

When he started earning big money,his payments far out weighed what the kids were costing.His wife used to spend the extra on herself.Fcuking system fcuks over guys no end.

[friscofrankie]

in the US unless you have full documented proof that you paid every payment all the woman has to do is say it never happened. This goers back eighteen years In fact until you go to court if you are unaware of any complaint you can have your wages attached without notice! It is up to you to contest, then hire a lawyer, then dig out all them canceled checks then take off from work and hope it all turns out OK.

This Child support enforcement industry (Oh, yeah it's an industry with peole protecting their rice bowls and all) is full of zealots that want only to go after every man then can. They treat you like a crook, they slander you to your employer, they take everything out of your bank account with out so much as a how d'ya do nad leave you stranded even if you have kids to feed even if they are the same kids you are supposed to not have been supporting!.

I wonder how many bar flies in Pattaya are in for a shock.

noone's gonna get a penny out of these beer-swilling louts.

Comments and attitudes such as these do nothing but enforce the general idea that these abuses are somehow constructive. There is no grey area when these fucking leeches get a hold of you there is not fair trail no fair appeals system. YOU ARE FUCKED YOU DIRTY DEADBEAT DAD!

before you generalize, and indict Take the time to investigate teh abuses, take the time to see how many lives were ruined and compare that number to the real deadbeat dads (you know, the ones with money that just took off, the ones that just don;t give a fuck) that have been brought to justice. This attitude is just a fuckin pile of shit, and exactly what the people in the enforcement industry want you to think. Right now in the US they have more power to confiscate funds than the IRS or even "Home-Land Security" Looks like the Brits got it just as bad. Another case of PC gone ape-shit. Too bad it's not just a Christmas tree Too many men have lost everything because of some gold-diggin' lyin bitch. Rarely happens to women though, why is that?
A. most women that do not have primary custody are saddled with less (if any) child support
B. Men rarely file for back support even when it is owed
C. Did you know that the lagest percentage of destitute men with children will not go to the welfare dept for aid until they are all but lost? Nor would they go after back support as a way out of a fix. They are too afraid of losing their custody. Mothers on welfare rarely lose custody due to being on welfare.

[raycarey]

i wonder if FF is divorced.

[ChiangMai noon]

i wonder if FF is divorced.

that's a crap shitty thing to be saying.
very unbecoming and not in the least bit funny.

[friscofrankie]

i wonder if FF is divorced.

Gee ya think?
Got anything to say on the subject?
fuckin moron

[man with no head]

Under U.S. law the courts factor the child support obligations based on the income of both parents (each parent's income is added together and a percentage of month support is factored using both incomes...if both parents make $2000 per month and the monthly obligation is $400 then each parent is expected to contribute $200 per month to the child...obviously the custodial parent cannot pay him/herself $200 so the non-custodial parent sends money each month to the State Disbursement Unit in the state where the court jurisdiction is located). Once the 'award' amount is fixed it can be modified every three years or when significant changes occur to warrant a change. By law child support amounts cannot increase more than 5% within a 3 year period, so, even if the father goes from making $20,000 per year to over $100,000 per year the child support check cannot legally increase more than $10 (based on an initial $200 per month obligation if the yearly income is say $20,000). Child support enforcement is established and monitored in every state by state agencies called State Disbursement Units. The SDUs mail out payment requests every month in the form of a bill. Child support can also be considered tax deductable if both parents agree to this prior to the divorce settlement.

The Federal government cannot confiscate funds unless the following occur: the obligator is more than $5,000 behind in payments (or one year, depending on the monthly amount), the custodial parent must file a formal complaint with the court/SDU that has jurisdiction over the case, the court must hold a hearing, the State Disbursement Unit must mail a letter stating that the payments are behind, and, a collection agency would have to attempt and fail to locate or obtain the non-custodial parent before the Feds come into question. Even then the ability of the Feds is limited to witholding a Federal tax refund for the following year, or, confiscating any Federal licenses (under which passports fall). Usually the state has more enforcement power over the individual by revoking drivers' licenses, professional licenses, etc.

Generally the biggest threat of non-payment is the reporting of non-payment to the various credit bureaus.

Let's not forget that the failure to pay child support in the U.S. is actually considered contempt of court.

[barbaro]

This Child support enforcement industry (Oh, yeah it's an industry with peole protecting their rice bowls and all) is full of zealots that want only to go after every man then can. They treat you like a crook, they slander you to your employer, they take everything out of your bank account with out so much as a how d'ya do nad leave you stranded even if you have kids to feed even if they are the same kids you are supposed to not have been supporting!.

I wonder how many bar flies in Pattaya are in for a shock.

noone's gonna get a penny out of these beer-swilling louts.

Comments and attitudes such as these do nothing but enforce the general idea that these abuses are somehow constructive. There is no grey area when these fucking leeches get a hold of you there is not fair trail no fair appeals system. YOU ARE FUCKED YOU DIRTY DEADBEAT DAD!

before you generalize, and indict Take the time to investigate teh abuses, take the time to see how many lives were ruined and compare that number to the real deadbeat dads (you know, the ones with money that just took off, the ones that just don;t give a fuck) that have been brought to justice. This attitude is just a fuckin pile of shit, and exactly what the people in the enforcement industry want you to think. Right now in the US they have more power to confiscate funds than the IRS or even "Home-Land Security" Looks like the Brits got it just as bad. Another case of PC gone ape-shit. Too bad it's not just a Christmas tree Too many men have lost everything because of some gold-diggin' lyin bitch. Rarely happens to women though, why is that?
A. most women that do not have primary custody are saddled with less (if any) child support
B. Men rarely file for back support even when it is owed
C. Did you know that the lagest percentage of destitute men with children will not go to the welfare dept for aid until they are all but lost? Nor would they go after back support as a way out of a fix. They are too afraid of losing their custody. Mothers on welfare rarely lose custody due to being on welfare.

Wow.

This is a hot issue - and rightfully so.

So many marriages end in divorce and kids are so often involved.

A friend of mine had his wages garnished right out of his paycheck. The figure seemed high, compared to what he was earning.

Then, 3 years later, the state of Washington said, "oh, we've been taking too much out of your paycheck. Sorry. Here's a check for the extra amount, minus interest, etc.

Another buddy of mine, switched jobs. His new job paid a lot less than his old one. He filed his new wage reduction with HR department at our company. But the idiots in HR dropped the ball, forgot to send it to the state, whatever.

So, he was having 50% of his check garnered. He used to look at his chekc and slowly shake his head back and forth. It takes a long time to correct this, administratively.

On the other hand, another friend of miney work for DSHS which handles Child Support.

And just like Frisco Frankie says, it's an industry.

And it actually bring IN money to the state, so he'll never have to worry about getting "riffed" (reduction in force) or laid off.


Guys do get screwed.

[friscofrankie]

nder U.S. law the courts factor the child support obligations based on the income of both parents (each parent's income is added together and a percentage of month support is factored using both incomes...if both parents make $2000 per month and the monthly obligation is $400 then each parent is expected to contribute $200 per month to the child...obviously the custodial parent cannot pay him/herself $200 so the non-custodial parent sends money each month to the State Disbursement Unit in the state where the court jurisdiction is located).

Gee you read that some where did you? Sounds good, but it is utter bullshit. If the man has no job he is still obligated to pay the full amount getting it reduced has to be done ASAP this means a fella suddenly finding himself under employed must first gt a lawyer (no courtappointed jobbies here) then take off work and maybe it will get reduced. Oh, you didn;t have time? Didin;t have the money didn't even know? To fuckin bad you now owe with big time interest (last time I looked it was 10&#37 word.
In jail? Prison? Unemployed? No excuse.
Try getting it reduced.

Generally the biggest threat of non-payment is the reporting of non-payment to the various credit bureaus.

almost funny in it's naivete Taking money out of a bank account? !snap! done. Child support of $200 a month? What planet are you on? Try $1000 equal split?
The greatest threat is confiscation of funds, even when you are making your payments the state has been known to pull your DL without notice! Try walkin' home To SF from Fresno.

What do you think of guy makin' 70,000 a year had being saddled with a 1200/mo child support bill? lessee, take home from a salary like that about $38 - 4200. then there's teh 1200, then there's rent (god knows he's never gonna own a house again) let's be easy on 'im, say 1000/mo utilities? another 1000. hel lthat leaves a whole 1000 for commute to work, food, clothing and forgt about a car jack you're on the bus.

The scenario you describe is a fairy tale, the reality is much less equitable. Ask around, ask someone that has lived it.

Ask my friend that is saddled with 100K even though he never knew he had a kid!

Ask me, who had an order for ZERO child support signed by the judge disappear from the court records and another more ambiguous unsigned order entered into the microfilm record 10 years later (after I showed a copy to the enforcement department, proving the ex lied). Oh I still paid, still brought groceries to the house paid the rent.

Ask me, the guy that had his bank account zeroed while my dependent children were living with me.

Nice cut and past Surasak but it really is bullshit.
Contempt of court??

fuck 'em.

[man with no head]

None of that is cut and pasted.

I am divorced and have experience, thank you very much. You want to see my cancelled checks?

[Little Chuchok]

^Like to see you respond to what FF said though..

[man with no head]

About what? My child support is $200 per month? Yeah, I feel so screwed.

[Little Chuchok]

About what? My child support is $200 per month? Yeah, I feel so screwed.

Now why would you think that I wanted to hear about you "feeling so screwed"?

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Gee you read that some where did you? Sounds good, but it is utter bullshit. If the man has no job he is still obligated to pay the full amount getting it reduced has to be done ASAP this means a fella suddenly finding himself under employed must first gt a lawyer (no courtappointed jobbies here) then take off work and maybe it will get reduced. Oh, you didn;t have time? Didin;t have the money didn't even know? To fuckin bad you now owe with big time interest (last time I looked it was 10%) word.
In jail? Prison? Unemployed? No excuse.

[man with no head]

I was unemployed this year. Wrote a letter to the SDU. "No problem, make payments when work resumes."

[man with no head]

[Little Chuchok]

^Your own experiance is fine,but it does not answer what FF posted.

[friscofrankie]

"No problem, make payments when work resumes."

riiiight. You gotta be kidding me. And $200 a month? What, are you on welfare? Got lucky with a decent, rich ex wife? The payments not made? When's that gonna come due? Plus interest? There ain't no SDU in the California, you pay directly to the ex.

I know you live in the peoples republic of Oregon but cover your ass. how is it you are paying the state child support?

How in the hell did you get 200 a month?

I am not saying every man get's fucked, but I can quote cases I have personal knowledge of where men have lost all; men making $15 an hour living in two-room hovel with only a bicycle for transportation. Unable to get out of the dump because they are under-employed and under a $50,000 debt. The dude with the over 100k surprise child. Tell me is that proper? fair? Fuckin right in any goddam way at all?

The mother never told him. Lied to a man (her husband) that accepted the child as his own, divorced 18 years later, because he finds out it's all a lie and the bitch gets this windfall? Rewarded for being a liar to her child and husband? And my friend, the poor bastard, get's handed a bill, because she didn't want to tell him. This kind of abuse is more common in California and other states than finding a rich dad that just skipped. Truth be known there ain;t that many most of the stories are just sad fuck ups like this and mine. there really is no need for the agencies to exist and they do not want the public to know it.

Don;t know how many men I know working high paying jobs living like burger flippers due to huge child support payments.

You, my friend, are the exception not the norm. Good for you. Hope you get to see your kids as often as you like man. Mine disappeared on me, twice, and oh, yeah, I had to pay for those years too.

Got 'em back about 13 -14 years ago

Are your child support payments just forgiven? or deferred? Have you had a lawyer explain this to you? If not do so. Or was it some bureaucrat in whatever child support collection agency you're dealing with. dealing with an agency like this can be good thing but don't fuckin' trust 'em. if they say the sky is blue, go outside and check.

[man with no head]

Jurisdiction is determined by where the case is filed.

Don't give me this shit that there's no SDU in CA; it's a Federal law:

California Department of Child Support Services - State Disbursement Unit (SDU)

I read the rules then played the system. It hasn't been a problem for me over the past 4 years. And I made about $40,000 per year when the divorce was filed. She even had a minimum wage job.

Yeah, there are horror cases. If FF had a bad experience then that sucks. But my experience has been the opposite. No garnishments, no raiding of my bank accounts, no bad credit, nothing. There are cases where (like myself) the men win.

[friscofrankie]

Like I said good for you. Don't think "the man won" in this case. but it looks like you will be able to build a life for yourself and contribute to your children's future when they need it most after they turn 18.

In actuality I know others that got decent settlement, ex wives that didn;t expect a paycheck but just fair contribution. hell, pay the childcare, that gets expensive.

What set me off is the "All those accused are guilty low life pricks" attitude presented early on in this thread. The larger number of guys I know that are accused are being ripped off, the rest of their lives ruined. Adn the bureaucrats are raking in an easy living keeping folks believe they are doing "good work."