Burning the Koran, Yes or No

[BillyBobThai]

Why is no one talking about this man from Florida, who wants to burn the Koran, to make a statement about the evils of this book?? I think that all he wants to do, is to get Americans to stand up and say that enough is enough. We are very tolerant of you, but you only want to dominate us. From your perspective, our religion is wrong, and if we do not convert to your religion, then we must die at your hands. What this man wants to do is not breaking any American law. We as Americans, have the RIGHT, to speak out what we believe, even if you do not want to hear it. If the twats that do not like this, and want to stage protest, so be it. If they break the law, then they will be dealt with.

[Jet Gorgon]

^ No one? Everyone is talking about him. He has rights to burn, but whether what he does is ethically and morally correct is a different matter.

[mr Fred]

He can do what the fuck he likes for me.
He's just an insignificant little pillock out for his bit of fame and only managing because the press is short of any real stories to print that will keep idiots happy.

Non event really.

[Mid]

Non event really.

It should be exactly that BUT is obviously far from it and this exposes the double standards which is exactly what the proposed burnings are meant to do .

[Jet Gorgon]

the press is short of any real stories

Nope, the press is ecstatic they have something other than obama's dismal economy and horrid opinion polls, never mind how bad the dems are doing in the leadup to the Nov elections.
Never mind the mozzies' violent protests about this non-event, I've read many of their opinions that applaud god's gas explosion and deaths in California. mozzies really are not people, are they?

[teddy]

He's called off the burning but if he carried it out, many innocent people would be killed. His 'church' has a following of 40. Personally I think these pseudo soldiers of Christ should be crucified.

[Jet Gorgon]

many innocent people would be killed

I think folks here would say our Troops are not innocent. I love them, nonetheless.

[PaulBunyon]

No one? Everyone is talking about him. He has rights to burn, but whether what he does is ethically and morally correct is a different matter.

I agree and this same statement reflects how people should feel about the mosque in NYC.


Is the guy that's doing this a Christian? Well, if he is maybe Jesus will appear and burn some of the books with him.

[superman]

I think the burning of a US flag to being on par with burning a religious book. It all seems to be one way at the moment. Why does America continue giving aid to countries that obviously don't like them ?

[keda]

He can do what the fuck he likes for me.
He's just an insignificant little pillock out for his bit of fame and only managing because the press is short of any real stories to print that will keep idiots happy.

Non event really.

Non event to most non-Muslims, possibly. But don't you go trying that line with your tolerant brethren around the world unless it's from a distance.

[sccrhound]

I think the burning of a US flag to being on par with burning a religious book. It all seems to be one way at the moment. Why does America continue giving aid to countries that obviously don't like them ?

Yeah, the guy is a moron and if it weren't for the bored US press this would be a non issue.

What really pissed me off was the news showing Muslims burning a US flag based on an event which hasn't even happened yet, but nobody said anything about it. Fuck him and fuck them.

[Jet Gorgon]

Yep, this story is definitely keeping the idiots happy.

[SEA Traveler]

I'm not suggesting that 2 wrongs make a right but.... what is so wrong with the burning of the koran when the people of that belief burn flags of a nation ??????

[keda]

He's called off the burning but if he carried it out, many innocent people would be killed. His 'church' has a following of 40. Personally I think these pseudo soldiers of Christ should be crucified.

Do you really believe Allah's Finest need something like a Koran burning to justify murder?

So some innocents get killed and the killers attribute it to the burning; does this make them more dead, less dead, or should supposedly educated people blame the Koran burners? I've never figured how fully grown adults still fall for that one.

If the burning issue was never raised, for the Islamic murderers it could just as well be something else, the GZM protests, US foreign policy, US occupation to murder Muslim children, so called peace talks...anything but the underlying truth that they've rejected Allah and deserve to die.

[good2bhappy]

burning any book is the act of a philistine

[Stalking Tosser]

He can do what the fuck he likes for me.
He's just an insignificant little pillock out for his bit of fame and only managing because the press is short of any real stories to print that will keep idiots happy.

Non event really.

Non event to most non-Muslims, possibly. But don't you go trying that line with your tolerant brethren around the world unless it's from a distance.

Ah, ooh, well let's not go there with that. Fred at some point will bump into Muslims who won't be amused with his style, they'd expect him to be able to read arabic etc, not just a quick "Bismillah" (hell, even I can do that), when that happens, not amount of sheep shagging jokes will get them to smile. Actually comments about the FPI would be best made ideally from another country - these dumb fucks have one thing on their side, a bit like gypsies in the UK, fucking loads of 'em appear when you least expect it, and take one on, you take the lot on.


It's quite a key point - much has been said of constitutional rights of the muslim guys to build their pleasure centre wherever they wish, one assumes that no offence is committed in the US by burning a book, and if that is the case, then it is everyone's right to burn a book, whatever it may be.

If old Imam Whispy has the right to build his centre anywhere without threat or intrusion, then so be it. The demented priest also has the right to burn a book or two. Oddly many suggest that many muslims will turn to terrorism in response - if this is the case then maybe they are just latent terrorists in anycase.

[sccrhound]

He can do what the fuck he likes for me.
He's just an insignificant little pillock out for his bit of fame and only managing because the press is short of any real stories to print that will keep idiots happy.

Non event really.

Non event to most non-Muslims, possibly. But don't you go trying that line with your tolerant brethren around the world unless it's from a distance.

Ah, ooh, well let's not go there with that. Fred at some point will bump into Muslims who won't be amused with his style, they'd expect him to be able to read arabic etc, not just a quick "Bismillah" (hell, even I can do that), when that happens, not amount of sheep shagging jokes will get them to smile. Actually comments about the FPI would be best made ideally from another country - these dumb fucks have one thing on their side, a bit like gypsies in the UK, fucking loads of 'em appear when you least expect it, and take one on, you take the lot on.


It's quite a key point - much has been said of constitutional rights of the muslim guys to build their pleasure centre wherever they wish, one assumes that no offence is committed in the US by burning a book, and if that is the case, then it is everyone's right to burn a book, whatever it may be.

If old Imam Whispy has the right to build his centre anywhere without threat or intrusion, then so be it. The demented priest also has the right to burn a book or two. Oddly many suggest that many muslims will turn to terrorism in response - if this is the case then maybe they are just latent terrorists in anycase.

This is very true.

[keda]

^ 16 ^
Look Tosser, I don't know about this thing you got with Fred but it's beginning to seem a bit unhealthy.

And your first para makes no sense anyway. Let's try para 2...yes, so...?

Oddly many suggest that many muslims will turn to terrorism in response - if this is the case then maybe they are just latent terrorists in anycase.

Yup, spot on, but don't say that in polite society because they'd rather blame the West.

[larvidchr]

^ 16 ^
Look Tosser, I don't know about this thing you got with Fred but it's beginning to seem a bit unhealthy.

Yes stay on the Issue and not the posters if you please Gents.

[Mid]

His 'church' has a following of 40.

TV news is reporting his facebook page has over 70k members ............

[Ripley]

Burning Books is all about restricting information. Bad . NO !

[Ripley]

Florida pastor says he's 'rethinking' canceled Quran burning - CNN.com


(CNN) -- A Florida pastor who called off a Quran burning said late Thursday he would "rethink our position" after a Muslim leader said the minister incorrectly announced that the proposed Islamic center near New York's ground zero would be moved as part of a deal.
The dramatic development was one of several twists on a day when President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged the Rev. Terry Jones to call off the Saturday event, timed for the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
During the afternoon, Jones canceled his plan to burn copies of the Quran, based on what he said were assurances from a local Muslim leader that the Islamic center in New York would be moved -- an assertion rejected by the center's visionary in New York.
Jones, leader of the Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center, announced he will travel Saturday to New York to meet with the religious leader behind the planned center, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, about a new location.
But that, too, was questioned.



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Rauf and Imam Muhammad Musri, a Florida Muslim leader who appeared with Jones, said later no agreement on a meeting or relocation of the mosque had been reached.


Jones insisted the church "put a temporary hold" on the Quran burning event after he had been told by Musri of a deal to move the New York mosque.
"I am actually very disappointed and very shocked because if this turns out to be true, he [Musri] clearly, clearly lied to us," Jones said Thursday evening.
Wayne Sapp, associate pastor of the small church, said that the Quran burning scheduled for Saturday was postponed until the proposed meeting in New York is confirmed. The church will wait 24 hours to confirm the meeting will take place before making any further decision about the Quran burning, Sapp said.
Rauf issued a statement a few hours earlier.
"I am glad that Pastor Jones has decided not to burn any Qurans. However, I have not spoken to Pastor Jones or Imam Musri. I am surprised by their announcement. We are not going to toy with our religion or any other. Nor are we going to barter. We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony."
The back-and-forth over the mosque location and the meeting continued into the evening Thursday. Jones insisted he had been told of a deal on moving the center, but Musri said instead he was brokering a meeting with Rauf.
"We are canceling the event because they have agreed to move the ground zero mosque," Jones said, claiming his announcement was based on several conversations with Musri.


But the latter said he had not spoken with Rauf and was not authorized to say the Islamic center would be moved. Jones may have "stretched" their conversations to say there was a deal, Musri told CNN.
He said he believes Jones knows there was no deal on the mosque and may be using Thursday's controversy to gain leverage on the proposed mosque.
Rauf's office told him they would welcome Jones to a meeting if he canceled the Quran burning, Musri said, adding it was his understanding from Jones that he canceled the Quran burning because of a Muslim holy day.
Sharif El-Gamal, developer of Park51, denied there had been a change in plans for the New York center.


"It is untrue that the community center known as Park51 in lower Manhattan is being moved," El-Gamal said in a statement. "The project will proceed as planned. What is being reported in the media today is a falsehood."
Jones, pastor of the Gainesville-based Dove World Outreach Center, said he felt a relocation of the mosque "would be a sign from God."
Musri, with the Islamic Society of Central Florida, told CNN that he hoped the Saturday meeting will, in fact, take place.


Jones' plans to burned Qurans had set off a firestorm of concern, including from U.S. military leaders who said the event would imperil the lives of troops abroad.
The pastor told reporters Thursday that he took a phone call from Gates, who "was very gracious and encouraged us not to continue." The call was later confirmed by CNN.


Also Thursday, real estate mogul Donald Trump offered to buy the lower Manhattan site where the Muslim group plans to build an Islamic community center, for 25 percent more than the current owners paid for it.
Trump made the offer Thursday in a letter to Hisham Elzanaty, an investor in the Islamic center site.


"I am making this offer as a resident of New York and citizen of the United States, not because I think the location is a spectacular one (because it is not), but because it will end a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation that is destined, in my opinion, to only get worse," he wrote.
Rauf had said Wednesday evening that "nothing is off the table" when asked whether he would consider moving the site.
"We are consulting, talking to various people about how to do this so that we negotiate the best and safest option."


The imam told CNN's Soledad O'Brien on "Larry King Live" that "had I known [the controversy] would happen, we certainly would never have done this."
Asked if he meant he would not have picked the location, Rauf said, "we would not have done something that would create more divisiveness."
Earlier Thursday, Obama called the plan by Jones to burn the Qurans on Saturday a "recruitment bonanza for al Qaeda."
"You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan" as a result of the burning, Obama said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "This could increase the recruitment of individuals who'd be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities."




Jones previously had said he would proceed with the plan Saturday despite increased pressure to abandon the proposal and warnings that going ahead could endanger U.S. troops and Americans worldwide.
Interpol on Thursday issued a global alert to its 188 member countries, warning of a "strong likelihood" of violent attacks if the Quran burning proceeded.
The FBI visited Jones at the Dove Center on Thursday, according to Jeffrey Westcott, special agent in charge of the Jacksonville, Florida, bureau. The FBI also visited him a few weeks ago, he said, but would not say what was discussed.
Earlier Thursday, discussions were taking place within the Obama administration about the possibility of intervening, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.



Earlier this week, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.
Jones had rejected the pleas, saying his message targets radical Islamists. "The general needs to point his finger to radical Islam and tell them to shut up, tell them to stop, tell them that we will not bow our knees to them," Jones said on CNN's "AC360." "We are burning the book. We are not killing someone. We are not murdering people."
Meanwhile, two websites associated with Jones and his church were down Thursday.


Rackspace Hosting took down the two sites because the church "violated the hate speech provision of our acceptable use policy," said spokesman Dan Goodgame.
The company investigated a complaint in the past couple of days and made the determination after reviewing both sites, said Goodgame, adding that Rackspace was under no pressure to act.
"This is not a constitutional issue. This is a contract issue," he said.
A Christian congregation in Germany, meanwhile, on Thursday distanced itself from Jones, its founder and former pastor. Stephan Baar, one of the leaders of the Christian Community of Cologne, said the congregation split with Jones in 2008 over differences in the way the church was run.

[Boon Mee]

Sure has a lot of Mooslims panties in a wad this threat of Koran-burning. Are these folks stone-age people or what? Here's a quote from a piece I just read on the insanity:

"Rev. Jones's stunt prompts the question: what lessons of September 11, 2001, have we internalized? Nine years after President Bush declared Islam a religion of peace, does anyone believe it? Apparently not. Christianity really is a religion of peace, which is why Bible burnings prompt zero news coverage, let alone hysteria throughout the Executive Branch."

Read the whole thing here

[S Landreth]

which is why Bible burnings prompt zero news coverage

Maybe the author of the piece you quoted gets his misinformation from news sites that gravitate towards what he wants to hear, but real news sites carry such events, or in this case, a non-event.

The Johannesburg High Court issued an urgent interdict late Friday blocking Mohammed Vawda from burning Bibles at a square in the centre of the city, said Zehir Omar.

Link: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/muslim-scholars-convince-african-court-block-bible-burning/

[Jet Gorgon]

Wow! In Joburg!!! No wonder it attracted so much attention.
How nice for rip to cut and paste with no comments. The ground zero imam is basically threatening the US by saying islamists will cause more terror on the US if *put* he is not allowed to build at ground zero. And his interview was on CNN!!! Which is carried internationally!!! He should go on FOX; it's global viewership is much higher.