Legalization of Abortion = Lower Crime Rates ?

[Ripley]

Does women's access to abortion lead to less crime?
Discuss ( if at all possible, without slurs...)


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

Main article: The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime
Donohue and Levitt point to the fact that males aged 18 to 24 are most likely to commit crimes. Data indicates that crime in the United States started to decline in 1992. Donohue and Levitt suggest that the absence of unwanted aborted children, following legalization in 1973, led to a reduction in crime 18 years later, starting in 1992 and dropping sharply in 1995. These would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn children.
The authors argue that states that had abortion legalized earlier and more widespread should have the earliest reductions in crime. Donohue and Levitt's study indicates that this indeed has happened: Alaska, California, Hawaii, New York, and Washington experienced steeper drops in crime, and had legalized abortion before Roe v. Wade. Further, states with a high abortion rate have experienced a greater reduction in crime, when corrected for factors like average income.[3] Finally, studies in Canada and Australia have purported to established a correlation between legalized abortion and crime reduction.[3]
The study was criticized by various authors, including a 2005 article by Christopher Foote and Christopher Goetz which uncovered an error in one of the tables in the article.
For an extended description of the critics' points and the authors' replies, see The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime, Criticism of.

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Broken windows theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

....In the best-seller Freakonomics, economist Steven D. Levitt and co-author Stephen J. Dubner both confirms and casts doubt on the notion that the Broken Windows theory was responsible for New York's drop in crime. Levitt noticed that years before the 1990s, abortion was legalized.

Women who were least able to raise kids (the poor, drug addicted and unstable) were able to get abortions, so the number of children being born in broken families was decreasing. Most crimes committed in New York are committed by 16-24 year old males; when this demographic decreased in number the crime rate followed.

At the same time, Levitt also found that the greater number of police as well an increased incarceration rate had contributed to the decline in crime. Levitt's book is based on published scientific studies that have been subject to peer-review.

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[Ripley]

Getting one's abiity to reproduce removed is as personal a choice as having a pregnancy terminated.
Aside from your religious beliefs- ( "It's a living thing") which according to the US constitution, should not be forced on me- why is abortion wrong?

Aren't cows, already born, living, feeling things too, yet we slaughter them in horrid conditions by the millions?
I've known cows and I've known children and they are more similar than different.

You fail to realize your aversion hinges on on a extremely sexist religion's view of a "sacred human life" that "begins at conception."

If you want to convince me, take the male god religion out of it because I don't believe in that crap.

You can get nasty and personal about it ( STD's ?) but it doesn't change the fact that you want to control a very personal aspect of women's lives.

That makes you fascist.


Consider this, earlier decisions having abortions allowed the children I later decided to have to have better lives which ties in with reduced societal ills when abortion is legal.

[Marmite the Dog]

Nothing wrong if a woman (and her partner if that's the case) decide to terminate a pregnancy. Most of Europe is developed enough to realise this, but unfortunately many governments are still in the Middle Ages and believe they have the right to impose backward looking 'religious values' on the people.

Sadly, not everyone is fortunate enough to have been born in a 1st world country. Hopefully time will allow those still developing countries to evolve and catch up.

[Humbert]

It is a very interesting hypothesis. The fact that there has been a substantial decrease in crime may indeed be an unintended consequence of abortion being made more available. The primary reason for legal abortion is the well being of the
mother not an overall improvement in society. If we determine that it is government's role to prevent births because of the risk of creating human beings who will be detrimental to society then we are on very shaking ground morally IMO.

[Marmite the Dog]

I think how wonderful the world would be if your mothers had aborted you.

I only had one mother.

If you are ignorant enough to believe a foetus is the same as a baby, then that's your problem. Luckily, the law makers in civilised countries know otherwise and also know that giving people the right to abort is the only way.

[Humbert]

A foetus is a living being and the mother is responsible for its safety. "Giving people the right to abort is the only way?" The only way to what? Immorality? Irresponsibility? Selfishness?

Then it is a an issue that the state should stand aside on. The state should not impose a moral ruling upon an issue that is the concern solely of the mother. Let the woman decide without the interference of the state.

[PaulBunyon]

Levitt really brought out some interesting points in that book Freakonomics. There's a movie coming out with the same name soon.


Jet,do Christians believe Mary was raped? She didn't get an abortion. Was this the start of the whole anti-abortion thing?

[Pol the Pot]

What if you encouraged the girls to have the babies? And took them into foster care or offered them for adoption? Pay the girls and the problem is also solved, no?

After two unwanted pregnancies the girls get sterilized.

[Jet Gorgon]

A foetus is a living being and the mother is responsible for its safety. "Giving people the right to abort is the only way?" The only way to what? Immorality? Irresponsibility? Selfishness?

Then it is a an issue that the state should stand aside on. The state should not impose a moral ruling upon an issue that is the concern solely of the mother. Let the woman decide without the interference of the state.

Good thing you copied the post that got deleted. Yes, I agree with you on this point. Not a govt issue and therefore, the govt should never pay for it. As I know, abortion is legal in many countries anyway. I do believe a foetus is a living being and therefore the mother's responsibility to protect him/her. If the baby is deformed, the body usually takes care of that via miscarriage. I believe it is morally wrong and irresponsible, especially if the "mother" professes to be intelligent and educated.

Levitt really brought out some interesting points in that book Freakonomics. There's a movie coming out with the same name soon.
Jet,do Christians believe Mary was raped? She didn't get an abortion. Was this the start of the whole anti-abortion thing?

Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, co-authors.
During Mary's day, they believed she had sex outside of marriage. shock So, Joseph married her. But, that was pre-Christian days. Far as I know, Christians today believe it was immaculate conception. Dunno, mebbe a test-tube baby.

[sabang]

Not a govt issue and therefore, the govt should never pay for it.

I'm fine with that- but neither should it be illegal. It's none of the governments business, with the exception of late term abortions.

[Ripley]

A foetus is a living being and the mother is responsible for its safety. "Giving people the right to abort is the only way?" The only way to what? Immorality? Irresponsibility? Selfishness?

Then it is a an issue that the state should stand aside on. The state should not impose a moral ruling upon an issue that is the concern solely of the mother. Let the woman decide without the interference of the state.

Good thing you copied the post that got deleted. Yes, I agree with you on this point. Not a govt issue and therefore, the govt should never pay for it. As I know, abortion is legal in many countries anyway. I do believe a foetus is a living being and therefore the mother's responsibility to protect him/her. If the baby is deformed, the body usually takes care of that via miscarriage. I believe it is morally wrong and irresponsible, especially if the "mother" professes to be intelligent and educated.

Levitt really brought out some interesting points in that book Freakonomics. There's a movie coming out with the same name soon.
Jet,do Christians believe Mary was raped? She didn't get an abortion. Was this the start of the whole anti-abortion thing?

Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, co-authors.
During Mary's day, they believed she had sex outside of marriage. shock So, Joseph married her. But, that was pre-Christian days. Far as I know, Christians today believe it was immaculate conception. Dunno, mebbe a test-tube baby.

JG

Are you serious, There is not one shred of evidence that these fictional New Testament characters existed and to profess, " They believed..."
what they were thinking..

P I T I F U L

B A R F

You are brainwashed by a male patriarchal religion ....