Thread: Health Care Passes

Originally Posted by misskit

^ Why would you want even more young Americans enslaved to big business or money lenders?

Talk about loosing freedom, liberty, and all that other stuff...

Huh?

Take a step back and recognize Obamacare for the disaster it is. Rewrite health care reform instead of this monumental train wreck becoming fait accompli.

^Take a deep breath and realize you claim a train wreck before the locomotive leaves the station.

They want it to be one, and sabotage it wherever they can.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Congress etc don't want it either

Why would congress want it, they already get free single-payer health care don't they?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Congress etc don't want it either

Why would congress want it, they already get free single-payer health care don't they?

So Obamacare is good for the Proles but not for me, huh?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Putting people out of work - full time jobs is a good thing? And, let's not use the old 'the trend is for employers to hire just part-time' song & dance routine. A family needs 4 separate part-time jobs now to replace former income and benefits.

Once again, it has been that way since Dubya was president. How come you just woke up to it?

Additionally, employer co-pays on insurance are typically ~150 bucks a month for employee & spouse. Nowhere near the 'critical mass' you referred to earlier...

HUH? What critical mass did I refer to?

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Putting people out of work - full time jobs is a good thing? And, let's not use the old 'the trend is for employers to hire just part-time' song & dance routine. A family needs 4 separate part-time jobs now to replace former income and benefits.

Once again, it has been that way since Dubya was president. How come you just woke up to it?

Additionally, employer co-pays on insurance are typically ~150 bucks a month for employee & spouse. Nowhere near the 'critical mass' you referred to earlier...

HUH? What critical mass did I refer to?

Second paragraph post 1046.

It wasn't BushCare that accelerated the move to part-time jobs...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It wasn't BushCare that accelerated the move to part-time jobs...

Oh, yeah, it wuz.

Two Graphs Showing, Decisively, That Obamacare Is Not Creating a Permanent Part-Time America - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

Since Obamacare was signed, part-time workers have increased by just 2 percent. Full-time workers have increased by 5 percent.

^
That flies in the face of reality.

Again, 75% of all new jobs created this year are part-time jobs...

Reuters reported Wednesday that, while the US economy created around 1 million new jobs this year, three-quarters of these jobs are part-time. Most are in the low-wage retail and restaurant sector. Concerns over ObamaCare and its health insurance mandate is the prime driver of the push to part-time employment

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Are-Part-Time

In your world, Breitbart is reality, The Atlantic, not.

Whatever, dude.

Originally Posted by misskit

In your world, Breitbart is reality, The Atlantic, not.

Whatever, dude.

Well, okay then.

Thought you HuffPo readers agreed with their stuff? You see, Reuters was quoted by both but you are so blinded by your own bias...

75% of jobs created this year were part-time : HuffingtonPost

Obamacare Strikes At Forever 21 Which Forcibly Demotes Some Workers To 29.5 Hours Per Week

A firestorm broke out during the weekend over the latest part-timing impact from Obamacare this time in the form of a leaked memo by retailer Forever 21, which announced that some employees would be demoted to part-time status. The memo, which announced forcible part-time changes would take place on August 18 with full loss of benefits to take place by August 31, was leaked by a disgruntled employee on their Facebook page.
The highlight from the memo:

"Company-wide, Forever 21 recently audited its staffing levels, staffing needs and payroll in conduction with reviewing its overall spending budget. As a result, we are reducing a number of full-time non-management positions.... As a Part-Time employee your regular schedule will not exceed 29.5 hours per week."



Forever 21's prompt response to understandable fury by the confused broader public: it only impacts a tiny 1% of all employees and is in no way related to the "Affordable" Care Act.

Thank you for reaching out Jessy. Forever 21, like all retailers, staffs its stores based on projected store sales, completely independent of the Affordable Care Act. After a recent evaluation, Forever 21 realigned its staffing needs to better reflect sales expectations. This realignment impacted less than 1% of all U.S. store employees. Forever 21 values all of its employees and made every effort to affect as few employees as possible in this realignment.

Obamacare Strikes At Forever 21 Which Forcibly Demotes Some Workers To 29.5 Hours Per Week | Zero Hedge

And since there is no way to independently verify the veracity of the statement, one should accept it on pure faith. Like most other things these days.
So what's it gonna be? Your own bias vs. the facts?

Yes, monetarist tax and fiscal policy has turned you into a nation of serfs.
So what is the GOP championing to this day? monetarist tax and fiscal policy.

UPS drops spousal coverage, teachers get hours cut due to ObamaCare

United Parcel Service Inc. plans to remove thousands of spouses from its medical plan because they are eligible for coverage elsewhere. The Atlanta-based logistics company points to the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, as a big reason for the decision, reports Kaiser Health News.

The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act’s effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage, Kaiser says.
Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees."

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...are_refor.html

Lies on top of lies is all we have heard from the start concerning this vaunted Obamacare train wreck.

News You Can Use:

Obamacare Is Really, Really Bad For You, Especially If You’re Young.

Indeed...

^ Not news. It's an OP/ ED.

The writer is from the Ayn Rand Institute.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ Not news. It's an OP/ ED.

The writer is from the Ayn Rand Institute.

So?

Guess you Big Government/Nanny Staters ain't into any of that Libertarian Ayn Rand stuff, huh?

The Money Quote: "Is it any wonder that the health law’s redistribution schemes had to be forced on people, by law? Nobody would choose to spend their own money this way."

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, monetarist tax and fiscal policy has turned you into a nation of serfs.
So what is the GOP championing to this day? monetarist tax and fiscal policy.

You do realize that Obamacare increases business costs and incentivizes cutting workers & hours, right?

The headline:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obamacare Strikes At Forever 21 Which Forcibly Demotes Some Workers To 29.5 Hours Per Week | Zero Hedge

The company statement:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Forever 21, like all retailers, staffs its stores based on projected store sales, completely independent of the Affordable Care Act.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

The headline:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obamacare Strikes At Forever 21 Which Forcibly Demotes Some Workers To 29.5 Hours Per Week | Zero Hedge

The company statement:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Forever 21, like all retailers, staffs its stores based on projected store sales, completely independent of the Affordable Care Act.

Well, right...who you gonna believe these days? Company X wants to reduce it's workforce so it blames Obamacare or they come up with a song & dance routine absolving themselves like in the case of Forever 21 of any possible retribution from the IRS due to bad press?

Ways and Means ✔ @WaysandMeansGOP You thought the airport was bad? Take a look at the #ObamaCare status board: pic.twitter.com/BuYKIKw8V3
11:33 PM - 26 Aug 2013



Pathetic...

But....Healthcare Works So Well Over There We're Told.....


"Last month, Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, issued a forensic report, commissioned by the government, which found that 14 under-performing hospitals in England had substandard care, contributing to the needless deaths of nearly 13,000 people since 2005

Earlier this year, it was reported that a single hospital in Staffordshire recorded 1,400 "excess" deaths.

Following the July report, letters from patients and relatives of those who died flooded in to newspapers, Sky News and the BBC. Many confirmed poor treatment, if in fact they or their loved ones were able to receive timely care at all. The lack of adequate nursing staff, cuts to elder care budgets and a rise in immigrant populations are a few of the factors that have exacerbated the problem......"

"What happens when big, lumbering, inefficient government seeks to provide health care. Why should the U.K.'s horrid experience with NHS matter to Americans?

Because if, in a much smaller country horror stories abound, how much worse could it be when our big, lumbering, inefficient government launches Obamacare? What impact will it have on U.S. hospitals and health care providers? Instead of merely mandating insurance coverage to the uninsured, will our government eventually begin dictating what surgeries and treatments it will pay for based on what a bureaucrat deems cost-effective?

It's only a short step from overseeing health insurance to more intrusive oversight of medical care in general.

Everyone in the U.K. might have access to health care, but they are often forced to accept inferior health care. Will Obamacare result in Americans patiently waiting four-and-a-half months between a referral and an appointment with a specialist or surgeon?

Will Americans have to wait weeks, or months, for treatment or surgery, in some cases, risking death? With Obamacare scheduled to begin phasing-in on Oct. 1, in order to avoid what Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has called a "train wreck," these questions need answers." - CAL THOMAS, Washington Examiner
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