Thread: Health Care Passes

Health care reform is about the only long term measure Obama has taken to reduce the Deficit actually. Having been already gutted by Lobbyists and industry groups though, how effectively it will be able to achieve this is questionable. The USA in it's current political form is really just a con job anyway, a Lobby group for the already Rich masquerading as government by the people, for the people. It seems a bit strange sometimes to be vigorously advocating democracy in Thailand as I do, when I see the direction democracy itself has taken in the USA.

Originally Posted by misskit

Right. I know you are being honest. A nice way to say you don't pay any taxes..

I wish that were the case. Just sent the IRS a chunk for my year 2010 taxes. Hopefully better this year as I've retired.

Living in Thailand on more than $87,000 a year coming out of the USA. You certainly should be sending them a chunk!

Congrats on retirement.

Originally Posted by misskit

Living in Thailand on more than $87,000 a year coming out of the USA. You certainly should be sending them a chunk!

I don't think he should be.

Congrats on retirement.

Congrats on retirement.

Oh, and I do know there is plenty of government waste. This should be addressed. Problem is that each of our government representatives has their own babies that they will not allowed to be touched, farm subsidies that go not only to farmers but to huge agribusiness, subsidies for the oil and gas companies, and the like. Go after those, hell yes.

And please let someone reign in the health care industry. Where is all this money going that is paid by Medicare and Medicaid?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You don't live in Kansas do you Misskit?

Hell no. If I did, I'd leave. Not because of the above, mind you.

Kansas is one of the states where private insurers administer Medicare. Is there any chance that their state representatives are protecting those insurance companies from losing profits?

Confirmed: ObamaCare Provides Free Healthcare to Illegal Aliens

Remember when Rep Joe Wilson (R-SC) was castigated for accusing President Downgrade of lying about ObamaCare not providing free healthcare to illegal aliens? Unsurprisingly, it has been established that Wilson was correct:

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced on Tuesday that it has awarded $28.8 million to 67 community health centers with funds from the Obamacare health reform law.
Of that $28.8 million, “approximately $8.5 million will be used by 25 New Access Point awardees to target services to migrant and seasonal farm workers,” Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) Spokeswoman Judy Andrews told CNSNews.com. HRSA is a part of HHS.
Andrews said that grant recipients will not check the immigration status of people seeking services.
According to the Pew Hispanic Center, illegal immigrants make up an estimated 25 percent of all migrant farm workers, with disproportionate amounts residing in California, Texas, Florida, and Georgia.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember when Rep Joe Wilson (R-SC) was castigated for accusing President Downgrade of lying about ObamaCare not providing free healthcare to illegal aliens

ObamaCare requires people to pay for their healthcare, so illegals won't be getting it unless they pay the premiums.

Originally Posted by misskit

So why isn't anyone going after the farmers who are hiring these people? It IS farmers who hire these illegals.

Cesar Chavez did: The American Conservative -- Cesar Chavez, Minuteman

Strong unions are good protection against illegal workers.

Coming to a hospital near you...in the US of course.

GPs ordered to ration cancer scans: Lives 'being put at risk' by bureaucrats' new cost-saving directive

Family doctors have been ordered to ration the number of patients they send for life-saving cancer scans to save money.
They are being told to slash the number they refer to hospital for tests including ultrasounds, MRIs and CT scans commonly used to spot tumours.
Last night experts warned the cost-saving measures increased the risk of patients being diagnosed too late and dying unnecessarily.

Britain has one of the lowest cancer survival rates in Europe, and experts say late diagnosis is to blame.

GPs told to ration cancer scans in bureaucratic directive | Mail Online

Would still be a lot better than 40 million having no scans or health care at all, but instead an exclusive right to die freely and independently in the land of the free

And about half of the US business foreclosures in otherwise "healthy" businesses due to owner/family/employee medical problems and the exorbitant costs.

In a comprehensive Government free health-care system there will always be debate about what health measures take priority and adjustments along the way, that however do not relate to an in general poor system, on the contrary infact, it proves that constant evaluation is taking place according to new medical development and knowlegde, ofcause mistakes are made but they are unlike in the US not drowned in private and cooperate lawyers making a huge profit on yearlong lawsuits where insurance company's try to run from their responsibility and the medical industry trying to cover up their part.

In more developed country's than the US, Governments can quickly intervene if even a single case shows to prove an undesirable medical care practice, in the US individuals stand alone to fight in courtrooms against a multi billion dollar industry and all their bought political lobbyists, lawyers and liars.

What you and the other insurance company lobbyists are doing is taking single items out of the whole picture and falsely proclaim Government health-care a failure, which of-cause in the real world is number,cost, society beneficial,general-health wise etc etc - well proven to be much better and cheaper for all involved, than your private enterprise driven system of leaving millions with-out and most of the rest with much bigger bills than they can afford.

The undisputable fact is that comprehensive free Government health-care systems in the developed world is better and cheaper for all concerned than the private profit fixated US system.

I love the way the folk who say they care most about the US government deficit and business competitiveness, dismiss the effects of the USA's spiralling Health care costs. But I am pleased to report that, as a percentage of GDP, the USA now ranks second highest at 16%.

You have been overtaken by East Timor.

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harbinger of things to come or what?
Romneycare Cost Massachusetts More Than 18,000 Jobs:

It's not really is not a surprise, eh?

The Boston Herald reported:

The Bay State’s controversial 2006 universal health-care plan — also known as “Romneycare” — has cost Massachusetts more than 18,000 jobs, according to an exclusive blockbuster study that could provide ammo to GOP rivals of former Gov. Mitt Romney as he touts his job-creating chops on the campaign trail.

“Mandating health insurance coverage and expanding the demand for health services without increasing supply drove up costs. Economics 101 tells us that,” said Paul Bachman, research director at Suffolk University’s Beacon Hill Institute, the conservative think tank that conducted the study. The Herald obtained an exclusive copy of the findings.

“The ‘shared sacrifice’ needed to provide universal health care includes a net loss of jobs, which is attributable to the higher costs that the measure imposed,” said David Tuerck, the institute’s executive director.

Can't say we didn't tell you it would be like this, eh?

Patients to wait longer for care under new health law, think tank says

Patients to wait longer for care under new health law, think tank says | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

^Read the article, not just the headline. The "think tank" is Blue Cross! They say there aren't enough doctors for the increased demand. More people will be covered by subsidised insurance who didn't have access to doctors before. Is this is bad?

Check out this classic video starring Johnny Cash.
Obamacare is going to be repealed ASAP:

Eeek.

Here's a good article that looks at POVERTY AND HEALTH INSURANCE:

Is a lack of health insurance in America a problem? According to Washington, it is. The Census Bureau has released the 2010 report on poverty in America. Table 8 on page 26 covers some of the data on those without health insurance. Here’s what caught my eye. . . .
792,000 people over age 65 have no insurance. Why not? Medicare is designed for that age group.
16.2 million people earning less than $25,000 per year have no health insurance. Why not? Medicaid is designed for low income folks. 28.5 percent of those uninsured did not work at least one week in 2010, again the people Medicaid was designed for.
2.6 million calling themselves “disabled” have no insurance. Why not? Both Medicare and Medicaid are available to those folks.
Table 10 on page 29 shows the breakdown by type of plan. 14.5% of Americans were on Medicare and 15.9% on Medicaid.
9.5 million people earn $75,000 a year or more and have no health insurance. It’s just an assumption, but shouldn’t many of those people be able to afford coverage IF THEY WANT IT?
49,904,000
less non-citizens 9,667,000
less half of those eligible for Medis 8,479,000
less top earners 9,473,000
= 22,285,000
Over half of those that the Census Bureau reports as without health insurance coverage are eligible for coverage and don’t have it or don’t want it, or are non-citizens. Do we have a health insurance coverage problem in America?

If there is, it’s a lot smaller than advertised.

Hear the latest? Obamacare is going to be 'fast-tracked' at the Supreme Court. Some speculate the decision will either sink or salvage the Obumbler's job. Anyhow, here's another example (in cartoon form) of what a disaster Obamacare really is:

The sole reason Obama can show his face in public is because he got a bastardised HC reform bill passed, after several generations of failed attempts. Talk about a face saver.