Yoo: bush had authority to massacre a village of civilians

[raycarey]

the guy behind the torture memos, also felt that bush was within his legal authority to order the massacre of an entire village of civilians.

Yoo, strongly backed by David Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's legal counsel, (said) that the president's wartime powers were essentially unlimited and included the authority to override laws passed by Congress, such as a statute banning the use of torture. Pressed on his views in an interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—"

"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."

"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.

"Sure," said Yoo.

unbelievable.

does anyone doubt that this all came from cheney's office?

i'm confident that scholars will look back on 2002-2008 as a very dark period in american history.

and all of these criminals (my label) were given a free pass by the office of professional responsibility and the 'justice' department.

shame on them all.

the only silver lining to this outrage is that it's been made public...and more will information will eventually come out....which will hopefully cause future administrations to think carefully before from stomping all over the constitution.

Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be 'Massacred' - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com

[Bung]

Could be very interesting as things become declassified but I am sure War inc. (Bush and co.) have just changed a law or something to cover their arses.

[blackgang]

the guy behind the torture memos, also felt that bush was within his legal authority to order the massacre of an entire village of civilians.

Yoo, strongly backed by David Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's legal counsel, (said) that the president's wartime powers were essentially unlimited and included the authority to override laws passed by Congress, such as a statute banning the use of torture. Pressed on his views in an interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—"

"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."

"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.

"Sure," said Yoo.

unbelievable.

does anyone doubt that this all came from cheney's office?

i'm confident that scholars will look back on 2002-2008 as a very dark period in american history.

and all of these criminals (my label) were given a free pass by the office of professional responsibility and the 'justice' department.

shame on them all.

the only silver lining to this outrage is that it's been made public...and more will information will eventually come out....which will hopefully cause future administrations to think carefully before from stomping all over the constitution.

Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be 'Massacred' - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com

Yes, and he could have also told them all to take down their pants and shit in the street,, but he never did, but did have that power,,
So what are you trying to say Ray?
That the Bush and Co. had presidential powers??

And what you are talking about has nothing to do with the Constitution of the USA.
So put the flag down, it means nothing to you as a subversive anyway.

[Boon Mee]

Heh...so says the OP who has stated he relished the head-chopping of innocent American contractors. Specifically poor Nick Berg who was just trying to make a living.

What convoluted morals this OP has...

[MrG]

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—" "Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions." "To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again. "Sure," said Yoo.

Reminds me of Saddam H. and Chemical Ali...I'm sure they felt just as justified about wiping out that village of Kurds with gas.
Hussien: "So my power allows me to gas that Kurd village legally?"
Chemical Ali: "Sure".
If anybody can tell me the difference between these people and Cheney and Yoo, I'd like to know what it is.

the only silver lining to this outrage is that it's been made public...and more will information will eventually come out....which will hopefully cause future administrations to think carefully before from stomping all over the constitution.

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. The only detterent to these animals is a poster of two or three of them in ball and chain hung in Times Square.

And what you are talking about has nothing to do with the Constitution of the USA. So put the flag down, it means nothing to you as a subversive anyway.

Since when do your neocon heroes, or you for that matter, give a rat's ass about the Constitution. Seems to me that it means nothing to all the faux patriots who can't wait to undermine it and drag the country a few more notches into Hell.

[robuzo]

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—" "Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions." "To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again. "Sure," said Yoo.

Reminds me of Saddam H. and Chemical Ali...I'm sure they felt just as justified about wiping out that village of Kurds with gas.
Hussien: "So my power allows me to gas that Kurd village legally?"
Chemical Ali: "Sure".
If anybody can tell me the difference between these people and Cheney and Yoo, I'd like to know what it is.

The first two guys are dead. We might get lucky and see Yoo locked up and Cheney swingin' from the wrong end of a rope, but I doubt it.

[larvidchr]

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—" "Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions." "To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again. "Sure," said Yoo.

Reminds me of Saddam H. and Chemical Ali...I'm sure they felt just as justified about wiping out that village of Kurds with gas.
Hussien: "So my power allows me to gas that Kurd village legally?"
Chemical Ali: "Sure".
If anybody can tell me the difference between these people and Cheney and Yoo, I'd like to know what it is.

The first two guys are dead. We might get lucky and see Yoo locked up and Cheney swingin' from the wrong end of a rope, but I doubt it.

It does sound horrible with highly loaded emotional words like "Massacred" and "exterminated" put in place of "attacked" or "defeated" for instance, I'm not sure words like Massacre and Extermination exists in US military terminology, you would not hear the US command order a "Massacre" they might end up with one but that is quite different and not necessarily negative, example- "we attacked a group of Taliban fighters today, it was a massacre"

Manipulative bad journalists use this method to give the story the spin they planned for in advance, and so it becomes more the view of the journalist than the view and answers he receives.
A simple example- A man was shot by Police today- contra- A man was murdered by Police today, same story different spin.

Any way back to the OP what was it, "a village of resistants" ? or "a village of civilians"? seems to me that makes quite a difference, and somehow the journalist forgot himself along the way in the interview.

Mind you this Yoo don't seem to bright going along with that line of interviewing.

[robuzo]

Any way back to the OP what was it, "a village of resistants" ? or "a village of civilians"?

"If they run, they're VC, if they stand still, they're a well-disciplined VC."

[raycarey]

Reminds me of Saddam H. and Chemical Ali...I'm sure they felt just as justified about wiping out that village of Kurds with gas.

Hussien: "So my power allows me to gas that Kurd village legally?"

Chemical Ali: "Sure".

If anybody can tell me the difference between these people and Cheney and Yoo, I'd like to know what it is.

in this respect, there is no difference.

war criminals all.

[blackgang]

Since when do your neocon heroes, or you for that matter, give a rat's ass about the Constitution. Seems to me that it means nothing to all the faux patriots who can't wait to undermine it and drag the country a few more notches into Hell.

Which form of the constitution are you talking about or which one do you go by,, The one pertaining to the American citizens, who it is written for, or for all the illegals and enemy's of the USA that the Liberals seem to think it is to protect??

[panama hat]

What convoluted morals this OP has...

Do you have anything to say about the topic or are you just throwing your rubbish around as usual, playing the man and not the ball.

[Panda]

Funny how the Yank politicians seem to think American law (or their interpretation of it on the day) applies to the whole world. I guess they are only playing to an American audience though.

[blackgang]

For once you are correct Pandy,, I never thought you would admit it tho.
Miranda rights are only for Americans,, The right to be silent,, the Right to a lawyer present while being questioned,, the right to a lawyer if you can not afford one it will be furnished at tax payer expense, all the rights that are being shouted from the highest steeples in the world are being shouted for the foreigners in jail in Cuba and all the aliens in American prison, They have no rights under the Bill Of Rights or the US Constitution, those are for Americans only.
About time you foreigners admitted it.

[panama hat]

They have the right to a lawyer.


And even if you are a naturalised citizen or even a born-US citizen your rights can be waived under certain conditions.

Bill of Rights?

Constitution?

[blackgang]

I do not think so as it stands now, The Obama guys fucked up, they know it and it pobly will not happen after Obama has been impeached in the near future,

GOP winning war over Miranda rights for terrorists | Washington Examiner

On Capitol Hill, there's a war being fought over the War on Terror, and so far, Republicans are winning. Or at least they're winning the Battle of Miranda.
GOP lawmakers believe they are having some success in the effort to stiffen the spine of the Obama administration as it makes policy for dealing with captured terrorist suspects in the future. Even as the administration defends its decision to grant accused Detroit bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent, the president himself is hinting that things might be done differently in the future.
"Should the practice of reading suspected terrorist their Miranda rights be reviewed?" CBS's Katie Couric asked President Obama during Sunday's Super Bowl interview.
"Absolutely," Obama answered. "Everything should be reviewed."
"It's important for us to recognize," Obama explained, "that when we're dealing with al Qaeda operatives, that they may have national security intelligence that we need, and it's important to make sure that the processes and procedures we approach with respect to these folks are not identical to the ones we would use if we were apprehending the local drug dealer."
Translation: Maybe we'll do it differently next time.
While Obama hints at changes, he and his administration are still trying to justify their actions in the Detroit case. "They're changing their story constantly to try to defend their tactics," says a knowledgeable source on Capitol Hill.
For example, we know that the FBI interrogated Abdulmutallab for just 50 minutes before Attorney General Eric Holder decided to advise the suspect of his Miranda rights to remain silent and to have a court-appointed attorney. After that, Abdulmutallab shut up.
Republicans hit the administration hard on that point, especially when the White House made the unbelievable claim that agents had gotten every last bit of valuable information from Abdulmutallab in that brief talk. In response to GOP criticism, administration officials leaked the story that Abdulmutallab actually stopped talking before being read his Miranda rights, meaning Holder's decision was not to blame for cutting off the brief flow of intelligence.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, say knowledgeable sources on Capitol Hill. "It is totally false that he had stopped cooperating and then they made the decision to Mirandize him," says one GOP source. "They made the decision, and then they weren't trying to question him any more."
After a few days of rebuttal, Republicans thought they had knocked the story down. But then came Obama, in the Super Bowl interview, when Couric said Abdulmutallab "was giving information to the FBI, then his rights were read to him and he clammed up."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: GOP winning war over Miranda rights for terrorists | Washington Examiner

[MrG]

Which form of the constitution are you talking about or which one do you go by,, The one pertaining to the American citizens, who it is written for, or for all the illegals and enemy's of the USA that the Liberals seem to think it is to protect??

The same one.

Outside of the immigration law context, aliens have extensive rights in the United States. The text of the Constitution limits very few rights—such as the federal right to vote and to hold certain national elective offices—to "citizens." In Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886), a seminal case that involved a constitutional challenge to the discriminatory enforcement of a San Francisco ordinance regulating laundries, the Supreme Court held that "the rights of the petitioners … are not less, because they are aliens. … The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens." In matters outside of the immigration context, therefore, aliens and citizens receive analogous, but not identical, constitutional protection. Thus, in the United States, an alien generally has the right to speak freely, to travel within the country, to earn a living, to own property, to receive government benefits, and to bring suit against another, although there are limitations restricting these rights. Similarly, after Wong Wing v. United States (1896), an alien subject to criminal proceedings is entitled to the same constitutional protections available to citizens.

http://www.answers.com/topic/aliens-rights-of