'Free speech only applies to us' say lefties.

[Cujo]

Seems the lefties are outraged that anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint should be allowed to have their say.
God help us if these woolly headed muppets get the control they'd like.
Anyway, here's what they're upset about.
Apparently it's ok to be proud to be black, gay, muslim or a hippie, (or any combination thereof) but not ok to be proud to be white, straight, christian or conservative (or any combination thereof).

British outrage as white supremasists join political debate

9:01AM Wednesday Oct 21, 2009

British National Party leader Nick Griffin. Photo / AP


LONDON - To the outrage of many Britons, a white-supremacist fringe party riding a wave of electoral success has been invited to participate in a BBC prime-time TV show on politics.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's Labour Party government says it is appalled that the far right British National Party will get such high-profile exposure to millions of viewers. The BBC, however, says as a publicly funded broadcaster it must cover all political parties that have a national presence.
"It's not for the BBC to make decisions about what parties it does and doesn't like," a BBC spokesman said on condition of anonymity in line with company policy. "That, quite rightly, is a decision for the electorate."
The BNP, which opposes immigration and says it fights for "indigenous" Britons, wants to become a force in British politics. Although it isn't likely to gain a seat in the national Parliament because of Britain's first-past-the-post electoral system, the BNP serves on several city councils and made an electoral breakthrough in June, when it took about 6 per cent of the British vote in European elections, winning two EU parliament seats.
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On Thursday, BNP leader Nick Griffin is scheduled to appear on the BBC's flagship political debate show Question Time - a highly valued imprimatur of political respectability.
A senior Cabinet minister, Justice Secretary Jack Straw, is supposed to be on the same program, where panelists are questioned on current affairs by a studio audience.
The far right party is so pleased with the invite that it is counting down the seconds until the broadcast on its website.
The government and anti-racist groups say the invitation to Griffin legitimises fascist views, and protesters have vowed to picket Thursday's taping at the BBC's West London studios.
Welsh Secretary Peter Hain - a former anti-apartheid activist - has called on the BBC to drop Griffin from the program, saying the party is "an unlawful body" because historically it has not allowed non-white people to be members.
Last week the BNP agreed to change its constitution to accept non-white members after it was taken to court by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
The BBC says it is bound by its public-service mandate to give the party a platform. In a letter to Hain, BBC director-general Mark Thompson said "it remains the BBC's obligation to scrutinise and hold to account all elected representatives and to do so with due impartiality."
The BNP has benefited from a deepening cynicism toward mainstream politics in Britain. The party made its biggest electoral gains in working-class Labour strongholds, among voters angry at rising unemployment and a scandal over lawmakers' expenses.
All the mainstream parties were tarnished when data leaked to a newspaper earlier this year showed that legislators had submitted substantial claims on the public purse for everything from pornography to chandeliers and moat-cleaning.
The BNP has tried to capitalize on its outsider, underdog image, linking itself to Britain's wartime "Blitz spirit" and the armed forces, which have suffered hundreds of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan and are held in high regard by most Britons.
The party has used military symbols such as wartime leader Winston Churchill and a Spitfire fighter plane - under the slogan "Battle for Britain" - in its campaign literature.
On Tuesday a group of retired military commanders accused the party of hijacking military symbols for "dubious ends."
Four retired generals, including former army chiefs General Mike Jackson and General Richard Dannatt, signed a letter saying extremists and racists "are fundamentally at odds with the values of the modern British military."
They called on "all those who seek to hijack the good name of Britain's military for their own advantage to cease and desist."
The generals' letter is part of a campaign against the BNP by military veterans under the slogan "There's Nothing British about the BNP." The campaign, whose supporters include thriller writer Andy McNab, has links to the opposition Conservative Party.
On the campaign's website, McNab - the pseudonym of a Gulf War veteran of Britain's special forces - has accused the BNP of racism and of "taking advantage of what our troops are doing" in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Griffin insists the party is popular among rank-and-file soldiers, claiming soldiers had told him that "almost everyone ... fighting in Afghanistan vote for the British National Party."
- AP

British outrage as white supremasists join political debate - World - NZ Herald News

[lom]

Welsh Secretary Peter Hain - a former anti-apartheid activist

former army chiefs General Mike Jackson and General Richard Dannatt

McNab - the pseudonym of a Gulf War veteran of Britain's special forces

Lefties, uh?

[Begbie]

I think it's a class thing. The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav scum etc. Another party with similar views, the UKIP derives it's support from middle to upper class xenophobes and has no restrictions on coverage.

[Cujo]

Welsh Secretary Peter Hain - a former anti-apartheid activist

former army chiefs General Mike Jackson and General Richard Dannatt

McNab - the pseudonym of a Gulf War veteran of Britain's special forces

Lefties, uh?

Certainly left of the BNP.

[Cujo]

oops.

[Cujo]

I think it's a class thing. The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav scum etc. Another party with similar views, the UKIP derives it's support from middle to upper class xenophobes and has no restrictions on coverage.

Isn't it kind of racist/elitist to call chavs 'scum', after all it's only by circumstance of birth that they are chavs.
And don't chavs deserve as much representation as anyone?

[Don Juan]

Over a million votes deserves to be heard.

I find the Green Party detestable, but I wouldn't deny them a say.

[Begbie]

Letting the BNP be heard may be the quickest way of getting shot of them. The few who have opened their mouths on TV so far have exposed their racist ideology and disgusted the viewers.

[good2bhappy]

rename it The ENP

[sabang]

The people can say what they want, but I think the government has absolutely no right to. The BNP is a political party, and it is entitled to it's say. The BBC is entitled to give them their say.

Hopefully auntie beeb will put them right in their place.

[Begbie]

I think it's a class thing. The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav scum etc. Another party with similar views, the UKIP derives it's support from middle to upper class xenophobes and has no restrictions on coverage.

Isn't it kind of racist/elitist to call chavs 'scum', after all it's only by circumstance of birth that they are chavs.
And don't chavs deserve as much representation as anyone?

Sorry there should have been a comma in there

The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav, scum etc.

Racist ? I don't think chavs are a race, more research may be needed.

We're not discussing representation here, we're discussing whether the representatives of this group should get a hearing. Personally I think yes as it will show them up as the arseholes they are.

[Cujo]

I think it's a class thing. The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav scum etc. Another party with similar views, the UKIP derives it's support from middle to upper class xenophobes and has no restrictions on coverage.

Isn't it kind of racist/elitist to call chavs 'scum', after all it's only by circumstance of birth that they are chavs.
And don't chavs deserve as much representation as anyone?

Sorry there should have been a comma in there

The BNP represents the bottom of the heap chav, scum etc.

Racist ? I don't think chavs are a race, more research may be needed.

I didn't think muslims were a race either but everytime I say muslims are cunts I get called a racist.

We're not discussing representation here, we're discussing whether the representatives of this group should get a hearing. Personally I think yes as it will show them up as the arseholes they are.

Arseholes is only your opinion, and this is what I'm talking about, their point of view is wrong in your eyes but that doesn't make it wrong.
remember there are many people who don't consider them arseholes.
Maybe it's the party YOU support that are the arseholes (in the eyes of some).

[meepho]

A big topic and controversial one at that is the BNP,
Griffths compares himself to Chuchill after a bit of research i can see similar views, without condoning the bnp, they are elected and are getting stronger.
Maybe that is why the mainstream partties are getting the elite of the army and police to pore scorn on the bnp, this is wrong as it is politicising the neutral forces or should be neutral.
Thursday on the beeb will be very interesting me thinks.

who would churchill vote for ?

something to ponder

Problems will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Immigrants are attracted here by the welfare state. Public opinion in UK wont tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits. Winston Churchill, Cabinet memorandum, February 1954

[lysander]

The BNP are a legally constituted political party and the BBC is right to have Griffiths on Question Time.

[lysander]

A big topic and controversial one at that is the BNP,
Griffths compares himself to Chuchill after a bit of research i can see similar views, without condoning the bnp, they are elected and are getting stronger.
Maybe that is why the mainstream partties are getting the elite of the army and police to pore scorn on the bnp, this is wrong as it is politicising the neutral forces or should be neutral.

I don't think that the 'mainstream parties' could persuade Generals Jackson or Dannatt to do or say anything they didn't want to.

BTW neither of them are actually in the armed forces any more. They're both retired.

[meepho]

A big topic and controversial one at that is the BNP,
Griffths compares himself to Chuchill after a bit of research i can see similar views, without condoning the bnp, they are elected and are getting stronger.
Maybe that is why the mainstream partties are getting the elite of the army and police to pore scorn on the bnp, this is wrong as it is politicising the neutral forces or should be neutral.

I don't think that the 'mainstream parties' could persuade Generals Jackson or Dannatt to do or say anything they didn't want to.

BTW neither of them are actually in the armed forces any more. They're both retired.

Very true, along with you previous post.
I do not think it right even when retired, possibly of to the house of lords, these types should not interfere, as you stated before the bnp are an elected party.

If not for the public voting for the said bnp then things would worsen on the immigration front.

Now the bnp are being heard i pray the major parties listen for once.

who would Churchill vote for ?

something to ponder

We are with Europe but not of it; we are linked but not compromised. We are associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea. Winston Churchill, House of Commons on May 11, 1953

[Rural Surin]

We are with Europe but not of it; we are linked but not compromised. We are associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea. Winston Churchill, House of Commons on May 11, 1953

Interesting piointed paradox as it might apply to England's/Great Britain's seemingly warm and cool relationship towards their continental 'cousins'. One can examine {of modern times} the truer differences and likeness that Brits have with Europeans. Distantly related socially and politically, Brits still remain removed from a European familial role, but take to the continental family for survival and benefit. England has seen to it, a built-in world family - what used to be refered to as The Commonwalth {English speaking world}. This factor might be the security in which they somewhat might turn their cheeks toward a more securer relationship with a {now} European Union. Good for them, I say. If it works.....continue the course.

[meepho]

[quote=Rural Surin;1206183]

This factor might be the security in which they somewhat might turn their cheeks toward a more securer relationship with a {now} European Union. Good for them, I say. If it works.....continue the course.

Nice post,
I do not see any inherent advantages with an allegience with main stream europe,
after all, the way i see history trying to repeat what hitler strived for, a united europe run from germany, will not enhance our future prospects and way of life.
Our way of life has deteriorated at such a pace it is astonoshing and we are merely associated with europe and as of yet not part.
Future developements will follow, however we pray, without dire consequences.

[lysander]

A big topic and controversial one at that is the BNP,
Griffths compares himself to Chuchill after a bit of research i can see similar views, without condoning the bnp, they are elected and are getting stronger.
Maybe that is why the mainstream partties are getting the elite of the army and police to pore scorn on the bnp, this is wrong as it is politicising the neutral forces or should be neutral.

I don't think that the 'mainstream parties' could persuade Generals Jackson or Dannatt to do or say anything they didn't want to.

BTW neither of them are actually in the armed forces any more. They're both retired.

Very true, along with you previous post.
I do not think it right even when retired, possibly of to the house of lords, these types should not interfere, as you stated before the bnp are an elected party.

So you want to deny the very people who have experience in these matters the right to express an opinion?

As far as the BNP are concerned the more their beliefs are exposed to public opinion the sooner they'll be laughed out of existence.

[wefearourdespot]

Letting the BNP be heard may be the quickest way of getting shot of them. The few who have opened their mouths on TV so far have exposed their racist ideology and disgusted the viewers.

I would have been delighted instead.
Forget political correctness and open your eyes: racism is good, racism is right.

[Cujo]

Letting the BNP be heard may be the quickest way of getting shot of them. The few who have opened their mouths on TV so far have exposed their racist ideology and disgusted the viewers.

I would have been delighted instead.
Forget political correctness and open your eyes: racism is good, racism is right.

Oh dear. Not PC old chap. Not what they want to hear. better put on your asbestos overcoat.

[meepho]

A big topic and controversial one at that is the BNP,
Griffths compares himself to Chuchill after a bit of research i can see similar views, without condoning the bnp, they are elected and are getting stronger.
Maybe that is why the mainstream partties are getting the elite of the army and police to pore scorn on the bnp, this is wrong as it is politicising the neutral forces or should be neutral.

I don't think that the 'mainstream parties' could persuade Generals Jackson or Dannatt to do or say anything they didn't want to.

BTW neither of them are actually in the armed forces any more. They're both retired.

Very true, along with you previous post.
I do not think it right even when retired, possibly of to the house of lords, these types should not interfere, as you stated before the bnp are an elected party.

So you want to deny the very people who have experience in these matters the right to express an opinion?

As far as the BNP are concerned the more their beliefs are exposed to public opinion the sooner they'll be laughed out of existence.

The reason the bnp are getting bigger is simply, the government of the day have not implemented the correct policies in the eyes of the voters, it seems it is more of a protest vote than really wanting to elect the bnp.

And yes the army and armed forces should stay well away from politics, as they do not mix. [look at how they mix in thailand, for instance]

the armed forces are employed not elected.