Is Islamofascism spreading to Thailand ?

**Storekeeper** · 03-08-2006, 08:16 AM

Religion of Peace Stages Thailand Bombings

Clearly, the Muslims are upset at Thailand because of Israel's "occupation" of "Palestine."

Assailants carried out at least 40 bomb and arson attacks Tuesday night in Thailand's three Muslim-dominated southernmost provinces, police said. At least three people were reported hurt.
The attacks are the latest in a series believed to have been carried out by Muslim separatists, regional deputy police chief Maj. Woraphong Siewpricha said. Thai media said government installations were the targets.
More than 1,500 people have been killed in sectarian violence since a resurgence in January 2004 of a violent Islamic separatist movement in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, the only provinces with Muslim majorities in Buddhist-dominated Thailand.

How many instances of Islamist violence, and how many lives do Islamists have to take, before the world (including the moderate Muslims) stand up and say, unequivocally and without blaming Israel, that enough is enough?

GOP Bloggers :: Religion of Peace Stages Thailand Bombings

Butterfluffy: I told you I was worried about this now didn't I ?

**stroller** · 03-08-2006, 08:30 AM

1) "Religion of Peace Stages Thailand Bombings"
This makes as much sense as saying "fundamentalist Christianity bombed women and children in Iraq".
A religion cannot stage Bombings, people do that.
It's lame rhetoric.

2) These bombings are not related to Israel in any way, the "Gop-Bloggers" (sic) are inventing anti-Muslim propaganda out of thin air.

3) You need to learn to assess the value of sources, SK.

**Storekeeper** · 03-08-2006, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

You need to learn to assess the value of sources, SK.

Uh huh ... and you would be jumping all over it if the theme were reversed.

**Eliminator** · 03-08-2006, 09:02 AM

It's still muslims killing people whether it be in Thailand or anywhere else and yet the muslims themselves as a whole are doing nothing to stop it. My opininion is that the muslims will not stop until all socalled "Infedels" are dead. Archaic religion with archaic ideals. Past time for the muslims to bring their religion into the 21st century.

**stroller** · 03-08-2006, 10:18 AM

This topic is specifically about Thailand.

A bit of history and background about the present insurgency:
The Kingdom of Pattani was a Malay state approximately covering the area of the modern Thai provinces of Pattani, Yala and Narathiwat.
In the 18th century is was conquered by the Kingdom of Siam and formally became part of Thailand in 1902.
In 1909 it fell under British colonial rule.
In exchange for Pattani's assistance for fighting the Japanese, the British promised independence after WW2.
However, they handed Pattani over to Thailand, and it has been part of Thailand since.
In the 1990s there was a rise of militant seperatist groups, and violence has escalated from 2001 onwards.
More history: History of Pattani - Pattani, Hindu-Malay empire, Langkasuka, Southern Thailand, Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah, Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Songkhla, Satun

A resurgence in violence by Pattani separatist groups began in 2001. Some experts have suggested this occurred under the influence of foreign Islamist groups such as al-Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah, though such connections have never been fully substantiated and remain highly contentious. Some reports suggest that a number of Pattani Muslims have received training at al-Qaida centres in Pakistan, though many experts believe, to the contrary, that the Pattani separatism has little or nothing to do with global jihadism. Others have claimed that the Pattani insurgents have forged links with groups such as the religious-nationalist Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines and the secular Free Aceh Movement (GAM) in Indonesia.

South Thailand insurgency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Mhz** · 03-08-2006, 06:28 PM

What a bull-shit thread.

SK you are truely Bojee-Gatun-Noma or Kai-dong-Gatun-noma.

**man with no head** · 03-08-2006, 07:11 PM

If the Muslim provinces wanted to secede then why not? Why keep fighting? Why did we fight a civil war here in the states when we should have just let the South secede?

**Storekeeper** · 04-08-2006, 09:55 AM

How many of you would bail on Thailand if the terrorist bombings start moving farther north ?

How many of you will bail on Thailand if the terrorist perform a fairly decent act in one of the 3 major whoremonger areas ?

**barbaro** · 04-08-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

How many of you would bail on Thailand if the terrorist bombings start moving farther north ?

How many of you will bail on Thailand if the terrorist perform a fairly decent act in one of the 3 major whoremonger areas ?

There has been talk of this for quite some time.

It is a possibility.

I think they have chosen not to do this because I think it would backfire in many ways.

But....there is a chance.

Honestly, I think a lot of long-term LOS folks don't hang out in the 3 places in BKK that often. Yeah, they have a favorite bar or two. But that's about it.

**man with no head** · 04-08-2006, 10:57 AM

Why would we bail?

**Storekeeper** · 04-08-2006, 11:01 AM

If you make a vague comparison to what has been happening in southern Philippines you can get an idea of what could be in store for expats iin Thailand if terrorism did start moving north ... it doesn't even have to move it just needs to carry out one really good attack. An attack at the right time in the right place could kill just as many as in Indonesia or the attacks on tourists in Yemen.

You're right it could happen. The terrorists have blown up alot of tourists ... lots of Australian tourists if I'm not mistaken. IMHO Thailand in country expats who are more than capable of carrying out a major terrorist attack on Westerners. Either way lots of expats and tourists to target.

I don't think it would be Thai Muslims to carry out a major attack ... not yet anyway.

**barbaro** · 04-08-2006, 11:02 AM

^^ The answer is 'no.'

No reason to bail. LOS is actually quite stable. Narathiwat up to Pattani seems occasionally dicey. And this goes back to a land dispute, territory and a group that feels left out, a lot. Going north wouldn't help. I think it would hurt them.

**Storekeeper** · 04-08-2006, 11:07 AM

Please stay on topic and follow the plot. The idea of the question was a hypothetical what would you do "if" the situation warranted.

If that happened ... I believe alot of American expats would be zommin' right back to the comfy confines of CONUS. Especially those with children.

**barbaro** · 04-08-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Please stay on topic and follow the plot. The idea of the question was a hypothetical what would you do "if" the situation warranted.

If that happened ... I believe alot of American expats would be zommin' right back to the comfy confines of CONUS. Especially those with children.

If you're referring to me, I am on-topic and I'm following the (hollow) plot. This is OLD news.

Expats will not leave.

Uniformed, ignorant tourist who stay in tourist areas may not COME.

Old news.

**Storekeeper** · 04-08-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Expats will not leave.

This is a good example of differing opinions. Better to leave it at that.

**barbaro** · 04-08-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Milkman

Expats will not leave.

This is a good example of differing opinions. Better to leave it at that.

No problem, differing opinions.

I have not met, nor know one expat who would leave if there was a bombing. If there's a bombing it'll be in a tourist area, IMO.

Expats tend to know a lot about the current vibe. I'm not saying they understand a lot about the mentality or culture, but they understand the current situations.

Sadly, a bombing(s) would mean advantages for many here.

**stroller** · 04-08-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Please stay on topic and follow the plot. The idea of the question was a hypothetical what would you do "if" the situation warranted.

Please check the topic title before condescending on others with smart remarks.

Btw, you're mixing up various incidents now, the bombings where Aussies died were in Bali.

Get your facts right.

**stroller** · 04-08-2006, 11:09 AM

Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket is what I was thinking.

It would affect Tourism the most, look at Bali.

Yes, it's a possibility. But one should also consider which organisations are behind the bombings, and what their aim is. This is not random, and they have deliberately chosen targets in their territory, since they're fighting occupiers (from their point of view), this is not a "jihad" against the rest as the world, as the "Gop-Bloggers" and other propagandists with an agenda try to make out.

**man with no head** · 04-08-2006, 11:14 AM

I wouldn't bail. Hell, right after 9-11 I jumped on a plane and travelled to Asia and back for about a month. I wasn't deterred by the hijackings and threats then and I sure as hell won't be anywhere, anytime.

**Skulldigger** · 04-08-2006, 11:21 AM

I know I wouldn't leave.

**Storekeeper** · 04-08-2006, 11:23 AM

I don't want a bombing to happen. I just think it's a ripe target of opportunity. And I believe lots of seppo expats would bail back to CONUS in a New York minute. And like I said ... especially those with children. Maybe not as the result of one incident but more than one and they'd be gone.

Off-topic remark deleted, use pm or post in the appropriate thread. -stroller

**Marmite the Dog** · 04-08-2006, 01:31 PM

I wouldn't bail. No reason to. As long as they don't bomb Soi Cowboy as I don't really want to be stepping over dead bodies on the way to work.

**Sanuk Canuk** · 05-08-2006, 08:27 AM

This kind of topic always amuses me. How many people in Thailand have been killed in the last year in terrorist attacks? How many have died in traffic accidents? Lightning strikes? Natural Disasters? Domestic Violence Murders? Slips in Bathtubs?

Why do we focus so much on this shit? The media gets to sell lots of papers but I bet more folks die from industrial accidents than terrorist attacks. Maybe we should just look into banning cars, motorbikes, electricity, industry, firearms, etc. Terrorism is most effective when you let it affect your behaviour, in real terms it is inneffective as a weapon to take or hold terrain/land/property/whatever.

**Storekeeper** · 05-08-2006, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Sanuk Canuk

Why do we focus so much on this shit? The media gets to sell lots of papers but I bet more folks die from industrial accidents than terrorist attacks.

I read somewhere yesterday that 60,000 people died in POV accidents last year in the US.

**stroller** · 05-08-2006, 09:19 AM

^
Good points all around.
The nature of the beast is to intimidate the population and pressuring the government, hence tha name -terrorism.

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