Thread: Prisoner abuse not exclusive to US soldiers..

The latest level is higher than the "adjusted civilian rate" for the first time since the Vietnam War. Quote from above article.Does not say by how much admitedly.edit Army rate 20 per 100,000. Civilian 11 per 100.000. Army nearly twice as high.

Originally Posted by Texpat

We are the standard. Get it right.
Everyone else spends their whole lives comparing themselves to the US.

Chances are that will change in time, as the world's population considers the worthiness of sociopathic comparatives.

Originally Posted by Mid

It seems that prisoner abuse isn't just exclusive to 'uncultured' US jar heads is it??

oh sweet Jesus , that's your argument to condone it ?

really?? I condoned it?? It's no fucking wonder why I am being lambasted in MKP right now there's so few people here who has any comprehension beyond what they can make up in their own mind.. but you of all people Mid.. Usually you have better sense and objectivity then that..

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Mid

oh sweet Jesus , that's your argument to condone it ?

Mid, He never said he condones it, but was wondering why only the USA was ever accused of it and everyone harping about it on these forums where most are limeys or limey sympathizers and Limey offspring.

yes BG...good to see at least one person here hasn't all the comprehension issues..

got to spread it around before giving it to DF again

OK will do

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's ok because Americans commit most of the crimes, therefore they are more liable than the others

You need show evidence for this. Can you show us some objective comparisons?

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by Texpat

Tripping the fastest runner does nothing to make you faster.

F'cking classic.....

Originally Posted by Texpat

Desperately trying to expose the flaws of the smartest kid in the class doesn't improve your C average.

geeeez do you have a book or link for these things Tex??

The disappointing thing is I found this searching out a report on the increase of the British recruitment even during a time of war which is indicative of the fact that the British public is not so adverse to the fight as so many would lead us to believe.

I think you'll find that the increase in recruitment in the UK armed forces has rather more to do with the credit crunch than any change in attitude towards the fight in the Middle East:

Armed forces enjoy recruitment surge thanks to the credit crunch - Telegraph

Originally Posted by Texpat

Many think they can improve their relative standing by lowering the standard.

Just like you in some of your recent posts ?

Or you -- in all of yours.

It's just too easy staying ahead.

Awful lot of Jingoistic angst amongst the "America, Fuck Yeh!" crowd right now, isn't there?


I wonder why Barry?

Originally Posted by Mid

and Tex completely side steps the issue of LIFTING the standard

Nope, you got owned, Mid.

Abuse? I think that's how new military recruits feel they are treated by their drill sargeants.

Originally Posted by Texpat

No, we are the standard. Everyone else compares themselves to the US.

Many think they can improve their relative standing by lowering the standard.

Fortunately, it don't work that way.

True,

And what others call torture the US military calls it training.

they're brittle, easily broken.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Or you -- in all of yours.

It's just too easy staying ahead.

Proabaly not too easy in your state. Simply delusion.

US army spends $117m on soldiers' psychological resilience
A scheme to build the emotional resilience of American soldiers has been established as rates of suicide and depression rise.

By Heidi Blake
Published: 1:10PM BST 23 Aug 2009

Resilience is a survival skill that has often been underrated
Commanders have introduced the $117m initiative to help troops handle their stress before it becomes debilitating and leads to mental illness.
From October 1 all active-duty, reserve and National Guard soldiers will be required to take a “resiliency” test to assess their emotional, spiritual and physical state.

We need to know what is gained by this sacrifice
“How often do you feel that you lack friendship?” and “How often do you feel left out?” are among the 170 questions.
Answers will remain confidential, but soldiers will be asked to choose a resiliency training programme based on their individual results.
The army wants to train 1,500 sergeants by next summer to teach weekly 90-minute anger management classes designed to reduce stress and help troops avoid depression and suicidal thoughts.
Brigadier General Rhonda Cornum, who is overseeing the programme, said: "This was developed because we recognised that we did really did not have a good preventive and strengthening model for psychological health.
“It’s just a recognition that we spend an enormous amount of energy and resources on someone after they’ve had some negative outcome, but we’re not doing anything deliberately as a preventive measure.”
The programme was started after a rise in the number of soldiers taking their own lives two years running, which brought the US army suicide rate to the highest level since records began in 1980.
Figures released earlier this year suggested that there were 128 confirmed suicides by serving US army personnel in 2008, compared with 115 the previous year, while the number of suspected suicides in the first half of 2009 reached 88, compared with 67 for the same period in 2008. There are slightly over a million soldiers in the US army.
Alcohol abuse is another growing problem, with the number of US soldiers who are alcoholic or binge-drinkers nearly doubling in the past six years. Figures suggest that 11 soldiers per 1,000 suffered from alcohol abuse problems in the first half of 2009.
The new scheme is similar to one already in operation for British troops. The Trauma Risk Management system (TRim) is a peer-level management strategy for soldiers dealing with the aftermath of traumatic events.
It was developed within the Royal Marines and has since been introduced to the Army, as well as being used by non-military organisations like the Foreign Office and the London Ambulance Service.
Under the system, TRim practitioners of every rank are embedded within all units so that every soldier has a member of his own peer group to approach for help and advice.
Practitioners are trained to identify colleagues who are in need of psychological help and ensure that their needs are met by drawing up a support strategy.
They are given a list of indicators of psychological distress to look out, including heavy drinking, a loss of control, a tendency to blame others, feelings of guilt or shame and difficulties performing day-to-day tasks.
But critics say not enough is being done to help combat soldiers coping with traumatic events.
Robert Marsh of Combat Stress, the UK mental health charity for veterans, called on the Government to invest more money in helping troops and veterans deal with the psychological toll of combat.
“[Soldiers] in Afghanistan are undergoing the stress of being a legitimate target every single day and knowing they could be killed or injured at any moment, as well as having to shoot people or watch people being shot,” he said.
“Some of those soldiers, like those who served in Iraq, Northern Ireland and the Falklands, will suffer psychological injuries that will come out in later life.
“The Government needs to step up to the mark and meet the challenge that organisations like Combat Stress are facing in helping veterans who come to us with serious problems.”
Mr Marsh said the number of veterans seeking help from the charity has increased 66 per cent in the past four years.
They suffer from a variety of psychological problems including nightmares, flashbacks, paranoia and irrational anger, and often try to self-medicate with alcohol and drugs before seeking professional help.
A study published earlier this year by researchers at Manchester University, called Suicide after leaving the UK armed forces, suggested that British veterans were up to three times more likely to commit suicide than the rest of the population.
Disintegrating family relationships and substance abuse problems caused by combat-related trauma also leads to significant numbers of ex-servicemen and women becoming homeless after they leave the Armed Forces.
Research last year by the Ex-Service Action Group (ESAG) found that six per cent of homeless people were veterans, with 1,100 homeless people sleeping rough or living in hostels in London.
The number is thought to be much higher in other parts of the country where there is a strong tradition of recruitment into the Armed Forces.
The ESAG research disclosed that a disproportionate number of veterans living on the streets had alcohol, physical and mental health problems.
Of those interviewed, 25 per cent said they had encountered difficulties during their time in the Armed Forces, such as mental health problems or alcohol abuse, which had continued after dischargeview-source:wwwhttp://.telegraph.co.uk/expat/6067128/US-army-spends-117m-on-soldiers-psychological-resilience

Nope, you got owned, Mid.

how's that ?

I spoke of lifting the standard which was hi-jacked into others wanting to drag the USA down

owned ? I think not

maybe not a bad thing to have such a high suicide rate among US service men

1 dead US soldier, thousands of lives saved

Originally Posted by Milkman

Too much attention in the US on the American casualties. Most of the casualties in Iraq, of course have been Iraqi. Americans seemingly value 1 American life more than that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. 4,000+ casualties is a drop in the bucket, when you add up the numbers

So you really think this is it HUH?
What do you think of the Iraqi value of Arab Lives?
How many have they killed and stacked on the curb for daily pickup?
Just 1 bombing today killed over 100 Mesopotamians, How many is it in the last week, something over 500 I think and the US troops have not killed one.

Let 'em have at it.

I must admit, blaming the Merkins for abuse, higher value of their own lives etc. as if this is unique to them is laughable. It is universal in all conflicts, and will stay that way. Human nature, period.


Anyways, what do you expect them to do, slap the enemy with their handbags?