The U.N. Exposed

[Storekeeper]

^ too political. To make it fair, it should be UN sponsored instead

That's right, get the useless UN involved so they can rape /pillage locals and take kickbacks ala oil for food etc...

I'm going to have to buy this book ... sounds like a good read:

The U.N. Exposed : How the United Nations Sabotages America's Security and Fails the World (Hardcover)
by Eric Shawn

Editorial Reviews
Book Description
Less than five miles from Ground Zero in Manhattan sits an international hotbed of anti-Americanism.
The United Nations was created after World War II to promote peace and international understanding. But over the years, and today more than ever, the U.N. has failed to achieve its original mission. It has failed to address the most dangerous threats facing the civilized world, refused to condemn terrorist acts, encouraged America's enemies, and supported some of the world's most oppressive governments, all while wasting billions of dollars.
As veteran reporter Eric Shawn points out, the U.N.'s iconic skyscraper is where our so-called allies all too often undermine the United States and our vital interests. And for the honor of hosting our adversaries in our own country, Americans pay a whopping 22 percent of the U.N.'s bloated budget. The U.N. Exposed will give you a rare insider's tour of the United Nations, focusing on many disturbing aspects that have been ignored by the mainstream media. You will learn, for instance:

€ how U.N.-supervised funds were diverted into weapons used against American troops
€ how terrorists and rogue states seeking nuclear weapons flout toothless U.N. resolutions
€ how our allies' selfish economic interests drive U.N.-backed challenges to America's sovereignty
€ how kickbacks, bribes, and corruption have pervaded the highest echelons of the U.N.
€ how U.N. ambassadors and staff enjoy luxurious and tax-free Manhattan lifestyles and other perks
€ how U.N. workers have repeatedly turned children into their sexual prey

As Shawn declares in his introduction, "I am disgusted by the fact that the altruistic efforts of so many U.N. staff members are undercut by the greed, corruption, and ineptitude of the bureaucracy they serve."

[stroller]

^
That's worth a new topic, SK, rather than posting it in this thread.

[Storekeeper]

"Up to you" then blokester. I put it here cause the thread had evolved to discussing the United Nations.

[Whiteshiva]

Yawn....

how about learning how:

€ how U.S.-supervised funds were diverted into weapons used against American allies and themselves (e.g. OBL, IRA, etc)
€ how terrorists and rogue states seeking nuclear weapons have been assisted by the US (Israel)
€ how the US selfish economic interests ......... (insert pet complaint here)
€ how kickbacks, bribes, and corruption have pervaded the highest echelons of the U.S.
€ how U.S. ambassadors and staff enjoy luxurious and tax-free lifestyles all over the world
€ how U.S. citizens have repeatedly turned children into their sexual prey

Shameful really.......

Let him without aim throw the first stone.........

[baldrick]

World News
The Times June 08, 2006
Bush envoy's fury over 'insult' to US by British UN chief

From James Bone in New York
LONG-SIMMERING tensions between the Bush Administration and the United Nations leadership erupted into open warfare yesterday when Washington’s ambassador voiced outrage at criticism of the United States by the UN’s British second-in-command. John Bolton, the US Ambassador to the UN, called on Kofi Annan, its Secretary- General, to “personally and publicly repudiate” criticisms of the US and its people by Mark Malloch Brown, his British deputy.

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But Mr Annan, an old friend of Mr Malloch Brown who has promoted him to a series of top jobs in the UN system, retires on December 31 after a decade in office and was in no mood to back down.
“The Secretary-General stands by the Deputy Secretary-General and agrees with the thrust of his speech,” Mr Annan’s spokesman said last night. “The speech was not a mistake.”
In his speech on Tuesday, Mr Malloch Brown attacked the US for “too much unchecked UN-bashing and stereotyping over too many years. From Lebanon and Afghanistan to Syria, Iran and the Palestinian issue, the US is constructively engaged with the UN,” he said.
“But that is not well known or understood, in part because much of the public discourse that reaches the US heartland has been largely abandoned to its loudest detractors, such as Rush Limbaugh and Fox News,” he added.

continued here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...216040,00.html

though for all the bluster , I doubt they want the UN to move to another city or country .

[stroller]

This topic isn't about the US for a change, but about the UN.
Any comments on how corrupt etc. it is?

[Butterfly]

I think the UN definitely needs reforms:

- Move HQ to Geneva
- Force the US and other "rich" countries to pay for their dues and remove their seat until they do from the GA if they don't
- Give more power to UN secretary general (Give him veto power on GA resolution or UNSC resolution)
- Give more power to the UN peaceforce with options to shoot and kill insurgents
- Give automatic power to send UN troops if it fails to comply to UNSC resolution (that would have solved the Iraq, Bosinia and Israel Palestinian mess long ago). If the country refuses to accept UN troops, kick them out of the UN and enforce an embargo automatically

[Storekeeper]

I don't think there is any way you can really put any "teeth" into the UN. IMHO they should'nt really have any authority. They should really be nothing but a sort of form of government consultants. And the only other thing I can think of is other countries should take on a larger share of supporting the "burden" the UN has become.

[Butterfly]

^ this is already the case and this is not working. Obviously bullies like the US have their way without respecting the UN resolutions. They also failed to pay their dues forcing everyone else to pay for them instead. If it was up to me, I would have kicked out the US from GA and the UNSC for failing to comply with their dues, and abuse existing resolutions for their own selfish interest. Not to mention the UN charter which specifically address the issue of attacking a country without provocation.

[Storekeeper]

"The UN spends a lot of money - and a huge chunk of it American money - in efforts which mostly insult the United States and its allies. Sometimes, just to pass the time, the UN will send some peacekeepers to watch a genocide or two - and rape a few girls into the bargain, as its rather boring to just watch inhuman slaughter. The UN is morally bankrupt and as long as Russia, China and France have veto power in it, it is an organization which can't be reformed. Get us out of it - start again from scratch; this time, not allowing tyrants to have a seat at the table." (Mark Noonan)

[Marmite the Dog]

he UN is morally bankrupt and as long as Russia, China and France have veto power in it, it is an organization which can't be reformed. Get us out of it - start again from scratch; this time, not allowing tyrants to have a seat at the table.

I agree that France shouldn't be in it and nor should Russia & China what with their recent histories of aggression. But I also think that the US's right to be a member (along with the UK) is on rocky ground after partaking in an illegal war.

[Storekeeper]

But I also think that the US's right to be a member (along with the UK) is on rocky ground after partaking in an illegal war.

That's just silly.

[Boon Mee]

But I also think that the US's right to be a member (along with the UK) is on rocky ground after partaking in an illegal war.

That's just silly.

How is the war in Iraq 'illegal'?
Recall all the UN resolutions Saddam ignored?

[stroller]

Recall the false intelligence used to convince the 'willing' to go it without the UN approval?

[Boon Mee]

Recall the false intelligence used to convince the 'willing' to go it without the UN approval?

Which came first...

[Storekeeper]

Nothing illegal about the war. No matter how hard they try even the left wing liberal seppos in the US can't prove it... it's just a repeatable mantra they keep repeating and hope one day somebody will prove true. Even the UN never passed a resolution that came right out and side it was illegal.

[stroller]

True.
It wasn't technically illegal. I commented in another thread already.
I sometimes wonder if people actually read what's being posted...

[Storekeeper]

I sometimes wonder if people actually read what's being posted...

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger ... I think it's common.

[Butterfly]

It wasn't technically illegal. I commented in another thread already.

wrong, it was technically illegal on so many levels. First it violated the UN charter, a supranational convention that goes beyond national "constitution", including the US constitution, despite most rednecks failing to understand that. Second you can't go to war as a major power without a UNSC approval, it didn't happen. The only difference here is that they are no courts to refer to when you break the law. That's one of the reforms the UN should implement. We have the WTO for commerce, La Hague for war crimes, but no tribunal for illegal wars, even though I guess La Hague could be used in the case of Iraq with all the attrocities we have been witnessing in the past few years.

[Boon Mee]

all the attrocities we have been witnessing in the past few years.

Damn right!
Mass graves being found every day.
Saddam's gruesome legacy revealing itself more and more.

[Mhz]

I remember someone giving a statement that if you want the U.N to work independently and without any pressure shift the office from New York to another city outside U.S.

[Mhz]

all the attrocities we have been witnessing in the past few years.

Damn right!
Mass graves being found every day.
Saddam's gruesome legacy revealing itself more and more.

Abu-Gharib and Haditha.I dont know how many more of these things happened and were never exposed.

[Butterfly]

^ we will find out for sure once they leave

[Boon Mee]

^ we will find out for sure once they leave

Y'all crack me up!
You're expecting like, what, mass graves of folks slaughtered by those evil GI's?

...put down the Bong...

[Storekeeper]

...put down the Bong...

LMFAO on that one !