Thread: A fact about Iraq ignored by all ... till now

Little Noted Iraq Fact

As reported by Amir Taheri:

"Since my first encounter with Iraq almost 40 years ago, I have relied on several broad measures of social and economic health to assess the countrys condition. Through good times and bad, these signs have proved remarkably accurateas accurate, that is, as is possible in human affairs. For some time now, all have been pointing in an unequivocally positive direction. The first sign is refugees. When things have been truly desperate in Iraqin 1959, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1980, 1988, and 1990long queues of Iraqis have formed at the Turkish and Iranian frontiers, hoping to escape. In 1973, for example, when Saddam Hussein decided to expel all those whose ancestors had not been Ottoman citizens before Iraqs creation as a state, some 1.2 million Iraqis left their homes in the space of just six weeks. This was not the temporary exile of a small group of middle-class professionals and intellectuals, which is a common enough phenomenon in most Arab countries. Rather, it was a departure en masse, affecting people both in small villages and in big cities, and it was a scene regularly repeated under Saddam Hussein.
Since the toppling of Saddam in 2003, this is one highly damaging image we have not seen on our television setsand we can be sure that we would be seeing it if it were there to be shown. To the contrary, Iraqis, far from fleeing, have been returning home. By the end of 2005, in the most conservative estimate, the number of returnees topped the 1.2-million mark. Many of the camps set up for fleeing Iraqis in Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia since 1959 have now closed down. The oldest such center, at Ashrafiayh in southwest Iran, was formally shut when its last Iraqi guests returned home in 2004."

Oh, by show of hands out there - please indicate if you will volunteer to go live in a sewer on the verge of civil war...come on, don't be shy...isn't there anyone who would do that? ....hmmmm...not one person...


Please drive this into your brains, lefties: They wouldn't be going home unless things were better than before.

I now await a leftwing explanation for why these Iraqis are returning home - and why none are fleeing - when all of you on the left assert that Iraq is a complete failure and all we can do at this point is cut our losses by getting out of there as quick as possible...
What is it, boys and girls? We really want to hear from you ...

Don't get your hopes up SK.
The Libs are mired in the far-left fever swamps and will never see progress through their skewed and distorted view...

The Turkish border is a bit of a red herring though, since you are talking about occupied Kurdistan, rather than Iraq or Turkey.

^ is SK on the rag again ? oh oh time to have a laugh

Also, how many are returning home to fight the resistance and how many went back specifically to vote??

maybe they are returning home to help the resistance and fight the American invaders. LOL

Owned in your own thread SK

Exept (eccept accept?!?) the chance to get killed in Iraq by a lost bullet or just be a targeted shot...

There are really many good opportunities over there actually !

Once the americans were inside the country, the money value had changed 100 times better, so there was easy way to make good money...

Out of this the fact is known that were a war ends (is it over there?) a lot of money flows in to rebuild and again lots of opportunities pop up...

Industry has to be rebuilt and all has to be rebuilt, quiet some opportunities over there, specially if you were coming from there and speak the language...

Most of those that settled in Iran were never really welcome.
it is natural for people to want to return home, unless your home is England.

the iranians wanted them gone, they went. Not like they were returning from Venice or Sydney.

Well, loads of Polish and East Europeans have moved into Crewe and that is a sewer not far from the Welsh border where civil unrest could spring up any time between the educated English elite and the savage Welsh masses.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Many of the camps set up for fleeing Iraqis in Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia since 1959 have now closed down.

No wonder they are going home....they've shut the camps....probably under pressure from those dasterdly Americans

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^ Keep it on track Nick. There's modeerators in here you know.

In where??? Oh, is this strollers place, nice ain't it, he's done a good job, nice decor - all it needed was a lick of paint - but I think he's done it with a touch of style.

Anyway, I was being serious, many people move to places that are shitty and normally because of money, hence this maybe the reason the Iraqis are moving back.

I don't know though, I've never been there and I don't really keep up with the news and all that, it was just a thought and an observation of my recent vist to Old Blighty.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ is SK on the rag again ? oh oh time to have a laugh

"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."
Such a shame.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Gent again.

I tried to pre-empt you

Damn !!!

Don't just go into self-defense mode, read the link. Nowhere in that link does it suggest the million + returnees are going back to fight the Americans. You really just make yourself look like peanut gallery kooks sometimes.

You guys can't fool me anymore ... I already know most of you are either hard drinkers or on the bong most of the day.

^ Translation: I can't hear you, I can't hear you, I can't hear you

You == Troll

^^
do you not think most people would prefer to go home SK, especially if they have been living as a persona non grata in the mud flats of Iran for the last decade??

Plus they've been given basic training by the revolutionary guard.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^^
do you not think most people would prefer to go home SK, especially if they have been living as a persona non grata in the mud flats of Iran for the last decade??

Of course they want to go home. Must be great to go home in the middle of a war but they were afraid to do it when Saddam was in power.

Of course they want to go home. Must be great to go home in the middle of a war but they were afraid to do it when Saddam was in power.

fair comment.

OK ... now pass the fuggin' bong dude

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Little Noted Iraq Fact


As reported by Amir Taheri:

"Since my first encounter with Iraq almost 40 years ago, I have relied on several broad measures of social and economic health to assess the countrys condition. Through good times and bad, these signs have proved remarkably accurateas accurate, that is, as is possible in human affairs. For some time now, all have been pointing in an unequivocally positive direction. The first sign is refugees. When things have been truly desperate in Iraqin 1959, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1980, 1988, and 1990long queues of Iraqis have formed at the Turkish and Iranian frontiers, hoping to escape. In 1973, for example, when Saddam Hussein decided to expel all those whose ancestors had not been Ottoman citizens before Iraqs creation as a state, some 1.2 million Iraqis left their homes in the space of just six weeks. This was not the temporary exile of a small group of middle-class professionals and intellectuals, which is a common enough phenomenon in most Arab countries. Rather, it was a departure en masse, affecting people both in small villages and in big cities, and it was a scene regularly repeated under Saddam Hussein.
Since the toppling of Saddam in 2003, this is one highly damaging image we have not seen on our television setsand we can be sure that we would be seeing it if it were there to be shown. To the contrary, Iraqis, far from fleeing, have been returning home. By the end of 2005, in the most conservative estimate, the number of returnees topped the 1.2-million mark. Many of the camps set up for fleeing Iraqis in Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia since 1959 have now closed down. The oldest such center, at Ashrafiayh in southwest Iran, was formally shut when its last Iraqi guests returned home in 2004."

Oh, by show of hands out there - please indicate if you will volunteer to go live in a sewer on the verge of civil war...come on, don't be shy...isn't there anyone who would do that? ....hmmmm...not one person...


Please drive this into your brains, lefties: They wouldn't be going home unless things were better than before.

I now await a leftwing explanation for why these Iraqis are returning home - and why none are fleeing - when all of you on the left assert that Iraq is a complete failure and all we can do at this point is cut our losses by getting out of there as quick as possible...
What is it, boys and girls? We really want to hear from you ...

Okay S.K,American Army is doing a great job there.They removed Saddam (there puppet which went out of control) and now they are gonna put another one as a replacement and after may be 20 or 30 years there is gonna be another war I think.

LONG LIVE AMERICA.

By the way I think Bush is responsible for the oil prices.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Gent again.

I tried to pre-empt you

Damn !!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Gent again.

Bugger. Me too - sorry Gent.

Gotta give a hand to the those Brits over there in Iraq. They're a tremendous help down there in Basra. As soon as the tension spills over and there is any fighting to be done ... they'll be calling in us seppos to do the heavy lifting as usual:

http://stripes.com/article.asp?secti...&article=37390