Thread: Son Jailed After Father's Tip Off

A Lancashire teenager has been jailed for three years after his father informed police he had found bullets in his son's bedroom.
His father discovered 11 bullets in the room and called the police - who also found a handgun under the bed.
Paul Metcalfe, 19, from Nelson, pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon and the ammunition at Burnley Crown Court.
His father Neil Metcalfe, 43, said he had "no regrets" about his decision to call the police.

Source: BBC website news

Would you do that to your son? Would it cure him or turn him against you and into a worse criminal?. If you would do it, how minor would the crimes need to be? If you would not do it, why not?

Don't think I could ever do it.

Certainly not for having bullets and a gun, thats just pathetic. Maybe the father was a molestor and wife beater and he was worried son would off him in his sleep.

I'd never do it because I have absolutely no faith in the system. So, my son goes to jail and comes out a bigger and better crim. with an understanding of the depravities of mankind.
It's easy to say but if I could I'd get him/her out of the environment into some thing harsh but safe and show him the "other side". i.e refugee camps in Sudan etc.

Originally Posted by Nawty

Maybe the father was a molestor and wife beater and he was worried son would off him in his sleep.

What a fascile comment.

Want a cnut, his father could just have disposed of the gun and bullets or handed them in annonymously to the police, but grassing up your own son and costing him 3 years of his life when he is only 19, i say again what a coont.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Want a cnut, his father could just have disposed of the gun and bullets or handed them in annonymously to the police, but grassing up your own son and costing him 3 years of his life when he is only 19, i say again what a coont.

About 18 months with time off for good behaviour. Just long enough to to become a real criminal with a sore backside. Teenagers in British prisons must be sought after meat.

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Originally Posted by buriramboy

I know, it's the UK, but how do you defend yourself against violence?

The law is vague on this point. You are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. Hand guns are illegal unless you are the old bill shooting Brazilian electricians on their way to work but more criminals carry them these days. So, if you are faced in your own home my a gun carrying intruder, for example, you may be allowed to hit him on the head. You won't know until the intruder sues you for assault and the Court decides whether you acted in self defence or committed a criminal act - I kid you not.

There's a backlash against this and the ineffectiveness of policing. People are more prepared to use household implements to defend themselves. The possession of a hand gun in the UK probably indicates a connection with drug dealing.

Originally Posted by astasinim

I think youd probably find it very hard to convince a judge that was self defence. You would be expected to answer why you chose to hit him over the head, as your first line of attack. Why not the arm that held the weapon? In the eyes of the law, your supposed to only use as much force as is necessary to allow you to escape from harms way.

I think you're correct.

Do you remember farmer Martin in Norfolk? He got so fed up with the pikies breaking into his home that he waited for them one night with his shotgun. He killed one and hit another in the leg. He was imprisoned for a while but in the face of a lot of criticism and was released early. The pikie with the leg wound sued Martin but his case was thrown our when secret video showed that his bad limp was faked.

Jack Straw, one of the Labour Party's stranger elite, once shopped his son for having, I think, cannabis. Actually marched the lad to the pig sty himself and made sure the newspapers knew about it. It was to protect the old boy's political career though, so it was all right to shaft his son's own career chances.

Originally Posted by Morden

Jack Straw, one of the Labour Party's stranger elite, once shopped his son for having, I think, cannabis. Actually marched the lad to the pig sty himself and made sure the newspapers knew about it. It was to protect the old boy's political career though, so it was all right to shaft his son's own career chances.

True, but the son has done well out of it as well. No time inside with the various anal investigations that that involves. Basically all he got was a slap on the wrist and he's dined out on it ever since. The boy's connected. I'm 100% sure it didn't effect his future career in any way. Probably did him good.

Nothing like this situation.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by Morden

Jack Straw, one of the Labour Party's stranger elite, once shopped his son for having, I think, cannabis. Actually marched the lad to the pig sty himself and made sure the newspapers knew about it. It was to protect the old boy's political career though, so it was all right to shaft his son's own career chances.

True, but the son has done well out of it as well. No time inside with the various anal investigations that that involves. Basically all he got was a slap on the wrist and he's dined out on it ever since. The boy's connected. I'm 100% sure it didn't effect his future career in any way. Probably did him good.

Nothing like this situation.

almost exactly the same thing happened to me when I was 17. except me old man didnt have a political career to protect, and he also consulted our family lawyer first to check the consequences.

scared the shit outta me. some community service and I've been on the straight and narrow ever since.

but 3 years sounds bladdy harsh....

I wouldnt grass him up though.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

almost exactly the same thing happened to me when I was 17. except me old man didnt have a political career to protect, and he also consulted our family lawyer first to check the consequences. scared the shit outta me. some community service and I've been on the straight and narrow ever since.

Me too but it's not something I go on about. 100% in agreement with you though

Originally Posted by Morden

Would you do that to your son?

Never.
My sons are my responsabilty for as long as they live with me.
I'll go to jail before I'll send them to it.

More fool you.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Me too but it's not something I go on about.

didnt really think i was going on about it.... but whatever.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

didnt really think i was going on about it.... but whatever.

I wasn't implying you were. No offence meant.

Any one that didn't turn in the son would be a prat in my opinion. The boy needs help and covering for him wont help. A short sharp lesson will bring him to his senses, hopefully.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Any one that didn't turn in the son would be a prat in my opinion.

Well any son who does that, the father is a prat in my opinion.
Why should the son pay for it?

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

A short sharp lesson will bring him to his senses,

FFS - 3 years in jail is hardly a short sharp sentence, is it?

3 years for having an illegal gun and ammunition? There must be more to it..

Originally Posted by kingwilly

FFS - 3 years in jail is hardly a short sharp sentence, is it?

In a Britsih jail it would appear to be.

As is the norm the newspapers leave out other details such as prior convictions and to sensationalize a story. Father puts in own son, wow what a cnut.
Quite possibly the boy has been in trouble with the law before and maybe informing the police was his last option.
3 years inside for a first offence is highly unlikely and quite possibly the lad had fallen off the rails long before this indiscretion.
I would always support my sons and until I couldn't support them anymore.