Gun Control History Lesson

[chitown]

A Little Gun History Lesson For Those In Favor Of Gun Control In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.

From 1929 to 1953, about

20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.


Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.



Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'..

Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

[stroller]

You make it sound as if there was a correlation between gun-control and being prosecuted and unable to defend oneself.

You have shown nothing to establish cause and effect, a classic fallacious argument.

A load of unsubstantiated bullshit.

[chitown]

Fact or not Uncle Adolf?

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

[stroller]

Show the causal connection, Roidboy.

Were Jews able to defend themselves brfore gun-control was introduced, and not afterwards?

Did they all have guns before 1938? What exactly did the new gun-control laws comprise of? Try and use reasoning based on specific facts, not sweeping assumption and association, pea-brain.

[chitown]

Listen junkie - gun control does not work. You know it, but you can only throw around insults because you have no argument.

Your over inflated ego is pathetic.

[stroller]

Listen junkie - gun control does not work. You know it, but you can only throw around insults because you have no argument.

Still no substance nor reasoning.

Have a look above who started the name-calling.
You should know I respond in kind.

Take "Roidboy" and "pea-brain" out of my last post and you have a valid query as to the validity of your assertion.
- which you have no answer for.

[chitown]

Would you agree that my 1st post is historically accurate??

[stroller]

No.
Were they 'unable' to defend themselves or was their defense not successful?
Was the lack of success caused by the gun-control laws?

You still have no argument.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). This is the familiar fallacy of mistaking correlation for causation -- i.e., thinking that because two things occur simultaneously, one must be a cause of the other.

[chitown]

a pattern exists in history. Guns are taken away, democracy ends, the right to defend oneself is gone and people die.

[Morden]

I seem to remember a massacre of students by the US authorities a few decades ago. Then there was Wako. Then there are all the murders of innocent people by criminals every day in the US. The freedom to carry guns did nothing to to save those lives. In fact, allowing and Tom Dick and Harry legally to carry a gun is bound lead to more deaths than if they were not, surely.

The possibility of a government agency killing a group of its own citizens wouldn't be lessened by a few of them carrying pop guns in their pick-ups.

[Boon Mee]

The possibility of a government agency killing a group of its own citizens wouldn't be lessened by a few of them carrying pop guns in their pick-ups.

Pop guns?
Strolled thru a gun shop lately?
They have lots for sale that don't 'pop'!

[Morden]

The possibility of a government agency killing a group of its own citizens wouldn't be lessened by a few of them carrying pop guns in their pick-ups.

Pop guns?
Strolled thru a gun shop lately?
They have lots for sale that don't 'pop'!

No, I have no interest in gun shops and wouldn't know where to find one in Thailand.

Compared with what government forces can muster, they're pop guns! So where's the case for arming yourself against them?

Are you suggesting civilians should be carrying heavy arms and can buy them openly in the shops? I can't see any logical defence of such a sick situation.

[stroller]

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

I don't think Poland lost the war because of German gun-control laws.

[stroller]

Are you suggesting civilians should be carrying heavy arms and can buy them openly in the shops?

Don't you have a rocket-launcher by your bedside?
You don't value your freedom much, do you?

[Morden]

Are you suggesting civilians should be carrying heavy arms and can buy them openly in the shops?

Don't you have a rocket-launcher by your bedside?
You don't value your freedom much, do you?

[Boon Mee]

Are you suggesting civilians should be carrying heavy arms and can buy them openly in the shops? I can't see any logical defence of such a sick situation.

What I am suggesting is you support lawmakers who do not knuckle under to the knee-jerk crowd when ever there is an incident like what happened in OZ a few years back. The good people of Australia now have less personal rights, eh?

[peterpan]

My country has had strict gun control during my life time, hand guns outlawed, police unarmed, strict control of sporting guns.
No one has ever been rounded up by the authorities, some should have been but so far no one.

[raycarey]

Show the causal connection

Were Jews able to defend themselves brfore gun-control was introduced, and not afterwards?

Did they all have guns before 1938? What exactly did the new gun-control laws comprise of?

well chitown?


this has certainly turned out to be some history lesson.


btw, provide a link that will substantiate the data in the OP.

[Sakeopete]

I agree with Chitown gun control only make criminals bolder knowing they have nothing to fear from ordinary citizens. Please list any country that currently has gun control and no gun crime.

[blackgang]

I don't know of any, But when every Mexican ownes some guns and damn near everybody owned and carried a hand gun it was a very safe country to live in and a damn nice place to visit, but after complete and enforced gun control it turned into a hell hole with everyone getting robbed at gun point and a lot of murders.

[benbaaa]

Please list any country that currently has gun control and no gun crime.

UK - has gun control, 62 murders with firearms in the last year where statistics are available. (0.103 deaths per year per 100,000 population)

Denmark - has gun control, 14 murders with firearms in the last year where statistics are available. (0.256 deaths per year per 100,000 population)

US - weak gun control, 8,259 murders with firearms in the last year where statistics are available. (2.743 deaths per year per 100,000 population)

Thailand - no effective gun control, 20,032 murders with firearms in the last year where statistics are available. (32.572 deaths per year per 100,000 population)

NationMaster - Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

[peterpan]

This site GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates
Lists US deaths / 100,000 firearm homicide as 3.72 (1993)
New Zealand a country with effective gun control as 0.17 same year. Just under 2,200 % higher in the USA than NZ

[Morden]

[quote=Boon Mee;627358]

an incident like what happened in OZ a few years back. The good people of Australia now have less personal rights, eh?

What was that incident, please?

[Sir Burr]

The topic of gun control in the USA is pointless.
It is far, far too late. There are just too many guns out there.

[benbaaa]

^ Yup. But as I've said before, ammo control might work, in time.