What the heck is going on in America?

[barbaro]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

[Begbie]

At least they weren't sent to Gitmo.

[sabang]

Fargo- now that was a good film.

I sometimes wonder if we give it another ten years, whether I'll be asking 'whaat the f**k is going on in Thailand' too. Assuming I am not already incarcerated as a smoker.

[Sir Burr]

How old is an eighth grader?

[barbaro]

How old is an eighth grader?

14 years old, on average.

[blackgang]

How old is an eighth grader?

For me it was 12, or maybe 23....don't remember

[Sir Burr]

I thought the USA was getting strange when they couldn't say 'Merry Christmas', but had to say 'Happy Holidays' instead.

[britmaveric]

Men charged after skull dug up, used as bong

Men charged after skull dug up, used as bong - Yahoo! News

[Boon Mee]

Sorry M/M - cross-posted in the SF Values Thread.

Sent to Gitmo...love it!

[raycarey]

Sorry M/M - cross-posted in the SF Values Thread.

why would the story in the OP of this thread be relevant to the SF 'values' thread? it happened in minnesota.

oh that's right, the subject of the OP on the SF 'values' was from new jersey.

although i'm sure it somehow all makes sense to you boon mee.

[Boon Mee]

Sorry M/M - cross-posted in the SF Values Thread.

why would the story in the OP of this thread be relevant to the SF 'values' thread? it happened in minnesota.

oh that's right, the subject of the OP on the SF 'values' was from new jersey.

although i'm sure it somehow all makes sense to you boon mee.

You are rather Thick for even a TEFLER there ray. SF Values of course originated in the Moonbat Capital of America but they have migrated. Do try to pay attention.

There's a good lad...

[raycarey]

SF Values of course originated in the Moonbat Capital of America but they have migrated.

so i guess they'd be US values then, right?

heh.

[Boon Mee]

SF Values of course originated in the Moonbat Capital of America but they have migrated.

so i guess they'd be US values then, right?

heh.

Put down the Bong ray...

[raycarey]

sure....good comeback.

[Bugs]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

They were not suspended for not saying the Pledge – they were suspended for not standing while the rest of the class recited it.

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.

The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

Not only did they break the rules the article indicates one kid had not been standing all year and had offered no reason as to why.

Think it’s OK for kids to break school rules continuously and offer no reason why they are breaking them?

[Boon Mee]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

They were not suspended for not saying the Pledge – they were suspended for not standing while the rest of the class recited it.

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.

The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

Not only did they break the rules the article indicates one kid had not been standing all year and had offered no reason as to why.

Think it’s OK for kids to break school rules continuously and offer no reason why they are breaking them?

Doesn't matter to these America-haters, Bugs.
Anything that smacks of *gasp* Patriotism, is verbotten...

[raycarey]

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.
The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

agreed, but the rule should be changed....if they don't want to stand for the 'pledge' for political reasons, they shouldn't have to.

[Bung]

How about that father who was kicked out of a mall for wearing a "Give Peace a Chance" t shirt. Oh yeah, thats "unpatriotic"!

[barbaro]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

They were not suspended for not saying the Pledge – they were suspended for not standing while the rest of the class recited it.

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.

The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

Not only did they break the rules the article indicates one kid had not been standing all year and had offered no reason as to why.

The rule should not exist.

This is, the issue.

[britmaveric]

Without rules there is chaos!

[Boon Mee]

Without rules there is chaos!

And anarchy!

...not to mention, a lack of Patriotism.

[obsidian]

Think it’s OK for kids to break school rules continuously and offer no reason why they are breaking them?

in this case, yes.

[barbaro]

Without rules there is chaos!

Under what circumstances and what context?

You post makes no sense.

[Bugs]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

They were not suspended for not saying the Pledge – they were suspended for not standing while the rest of the class recited it.

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.

The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

Not only did they break the rules the article indicates one kid had not been standing all year and had offered no reason as to why.

The rule should not exist.

This is, the issue.

If the rule is the issue why did your OP make it sound like the issue was them not reciting the pledge?

Nothing in your OP about any rules.

And IMHO the issue is not the rule (regardless of how one feels about the rule) but the blatant disregard for the rule by the kids and the parents supporting them in doing so.

Think it’s OK for kids to break school rules continuously and offer no reason why they are breaking them?

[barbaro]

What "what the f*ck is going on in the UK" is a worthy thread. It seems the UK is changing in many ways, and so is the US. Suspending students for not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, under god, for which it stands," is ridiculous. Welcome to the new America.

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

Jon Super, Associated Press
May 9, 2008

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Link: 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance

They were not suspended for not saying the Pledge – they were suspended for not standing while the rest of the class recited it.

The schools handbook says all students are required to stand but not required to recite the Pledge. Seems fair enough.

The kids broke the rules and should have been punished. If one does not agree with the rules they should feel free to try and get the rules changed – but not disregard the rules.

Not only did they break the rules the article indicates one kid had not been standing all year and had offered no reason as to why.

The rule should not exist.

This is, the issue.

If the rule is the issue why did your OP make it sound like the issue was them not reciting the pledge?

Nothing in your OP about any rules.

It was implied in my OP that the rule is bad, and should not exist.

And IMHO the issue is not the rule (regardless of how one feels about the rule) but the blatant disregard for the rule by the kids and the parents supporting them in doing so.

Think it’s OK for kids to break school rules continuously and offer no reason why they are breaking them?

Interesting position. Fair enough.

The Pledge - which I said with my class every Monday - is part of the political socialization that exists in public schools.