So much for the freedom of speech argument!!

[machangezi]

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first publishedthe cartoons of Mohammad that have caused astorm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused torun drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ threeyears ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive toreaders and were not funny.In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zielersubmitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with theresurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sundayeditor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't thinkJyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As amatter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry.Therefore, I will not use them."The illustrator told the Norwegian daily Dagbladet, whichsaw the email: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, ofthe type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy.""I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they werefunny."He said that he felt Jyllands-Posten rated the feelings ofits Christian readers higher than that of its Muslim readers.But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, toldMediaGuardian.co.uk that the case was "ridiculous to bringforward now. It has nothing to do with the Mohammad cartoons.Meanwhile, the editor of a Malaysian newspaper resigned overthe weekend after printing one of the Muhammad cartoons thathave unleashed a storm of protest across the Islamic world.Malaysia's Sunday Tribune, based in the remote state ofSarawak, on Borneo island, ran one of the Danish cartoons onSaturday. It is unclear which one of the 12 drawings wasreprinted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...703501,00.html

[barbaro]

I think all religious figures should be lampooned.

Why should any religious leader, figure or alleged prophet be place on a a self-righteous pedastool.

Keep the cartoons running and add the other religions and their figures.

[Dougal]

Plenty of cartoons feature Christ Macha, I don't hear of anyone threatening death and destruction, do you?

[hillbilly]

*laughing* Good job Dougal, I agree!

[barbaro]

Jesus, Slut Mary, Mohamed, Moses, all the Jews in the Mishrash and the Mishnah, and the Hindus are assholes.

And you can add Joseph Smith in their too - Mormon cult.

Also the Moonies at the Unitarian church and those god-damn Jehova Witnesses that knock on my door!!

[machangezi]

Plenty of cartoons feature Christ Macha, I don't hear of anyone threatening death and destruction, do you?

I could care less about those threatening cos there're more important things that needs priority solution. What I was trying to say is that the same news paper refused to post Jesus's cartoons three years back. I ain't trying to say that Jesus's cartoons should be printed and Mohammed shouldn't. I could care less about such things.

*Double standard of Western media disturbs me a lot*

[Dougal]

*Double standard of Western media disturbs me a lot*

Manipulation by the media whether private or state sanctioned, East or West, disturbs me.

In the specific example you are quoting the difference is that in one case the newspaper commissioned the cartoons and in the other they were unsolicited. If editors published everything that hopeful contributors pushed over their desks you would need a wheel barrow to get the magazine home.

You are quite right that to say that the Western media is operating a double standard - they are bending over backwards to try to placate extremist members of a bigoted, backward and oppressive religion while allowing the lampooning of Christianity without restriction.

[Marmite the Dog]

[HAMILTON]

Freedom of Speech??
Just shut the ...... up all of you!!!

[KID]

Freedom of Speech?? Just shut the ...... up all of you!!!

DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE AGAINST THE IDEA????

[Bangbus]

The first step to becoming good mates is taking the piss, just look at the poms and the aussies.

[aging one]

Nice post with the cartoons there Dougal.

[BOOMBOY]

Does that mean that the Danes were really just trying to be mates?

[Dougal]

I have read in a couple of places that the cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper as long ago as October 2005.

Here is a link with what claims to be scanned copies of the newspaper:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.c...ott-egypt.html

I cannot read the paper but it looks genuine enough. If it is genuine, then the whole issue looks more and more like what I have suspected - that the unrest is not spontaneous demonstrations by outraged muslims but carefully orchestrated sh!t stirring by radical groups who wish to generate anti-west feelings for their own ends.

[barbaro]

^ I agree, Dougal.

Definately.

[Mr Earl]

The first step to becoming good mates is taking the piss, just look at the poms and the aussies.

It does seem that Islam lacks a certain degree of humor.

not only do they not eat delicious pork, but Porky Pig cartoons are also banned and reviled.

[shehiredahitman]

Islam belongs in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere, sometime around five-hundred years ago. There is no place for it in modern society.

[AntRobertson]

I have read in a couple of places that the cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper as long ago as October 2005. Here is a link with what claims to be scanned copies of the newspaper: http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.c...ott-egypt.html I cannot read the paper but it looks genuine enough. If it is genuine, then the whole issue looks more and more like what I have suspected - that the unrest is not spontaneous demonstrations by outraged muslims but carefully orchestrated sh!t stirring by radical groups who wish to generate anti-west feelings for their own ends.

Hmm, dubious at best I think. Firstly look at the source, a blog called "Rantings of a Sandmonkey" with the foreward:

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off.

Even presuming it is legitimate (and I leaning that way) there's no way to tell the context without being able to understand the articles. There's every reason to believe that it was/is critical in fact.

And all of that notwithstanding, the blog author seems to make a big deal of the date they were published - October '05 - which given that the original controversy was instigated by an Sept '05 article in the Jyllands-Posten would make perfect chronological sense.

And in any event the majority of the protests were in response to the cartoons being reprinted throughout Europe during the period following initial publication. Not something that Muslim radical groups could really be said to have had any control over.

[Mr Earl]

^
I gotcha AntyR.
This is a 2 year old thread!



Ya just gotta pay attention!

Porky Pig is banned

[AntRobertson]

^
I gotcha AntyR.
This is a 2 year old thread!



Ya just gotta pay attention!

Porky Pig is banned

...


Are you sure you got enough smilies in there?

So you "got me" by bumping a 2yr old thread when I replied to a post in it. Which wasn't yours.

Fiendishly cunning! Now here's a thought, grow up.

[Mr Earl]

grow up.

I can't....I'm having too much fun!

[AntRobertson]

I can't....I'm having too much fun!

On the contrary, I think you're getting quite frustrated actually.

[Hootad Binky]

*Double standard of Western media disturbs me a lot*

If they're unwilling to lampoon Christ it is a double-standard, but it would depend on the context. Also, Arab newspapers regularly lampoon the Jewish faith; not sure about Christ, though, as I believe he is considered a Prophet in Islam.

[machangezi]

*Double standard of Western media disturbs me a lot*

If they're unwilling to lampoon Christ it is a double-standard, but it would depend on the context. Also, Arab newspapers regularly lampoon the Jewish faith; not sure about Christ, though, as I believe he is considered a Prophet in Islam.

Jews are people of book too!

Could you direct me to some authentic website that says "arabs regularly lampoon the Jewish faith"?

*I ain't a big fan of Arabs!*

[Mid]

Denmark to store Muslim cartoons
Thu, Jan. 31, 2008

COPENHAGEN, Denmark - The National Library said yesterday that it planned to archive the original caricatures of Muhammad that sparked violent protests across the Islamic world two years ago.

Despite objections from some Muslim leaders, the library in the Danish capital will preserve the 12 cartoons for research purposes but will not make them available to the public for at least 10 years, spokeswoman Jytte Pedersen said.

"It is not our intention to provoke or anything like that," she said. "We are preserving them for future generations."

The cartoons were first published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten on Sept. 30, 2005, then reprinted by some Western newspapers. Protests erupted in Muslim countries where the cartoons were seen as insulting. - AP

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