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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I never considered the US a country which would take away rights.
    Seriously? You haven't been paying attention then . . . voting rights, previous abortion rights etc ad infinitum. Also, have a look outside your borders where the US decimates others' rights, usually by bombing the shit out of them.




    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    No universal healthcare, no women's right to choose, no raise in the abysmally low minimum wage, no "Build back Better". Onya Joe.
    Hardly anything to do with Biden - why do you feel the need to now echo right-wing morons' rhetoric?
    Last edited by panama hat; 25-06-2022 at 04:54 AM.

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    Granted, overturning Roe vs Wade was a Supreme court decision- but BBB, a national health care system, and raising the Federal minimum wage were all Democrat campaign promises- or rather lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Granted, overturning Roe vs Wade was a Supreme court decision- but BBB, a national health care system, and raising the Federal minimum wage were all Democrat campaign promises- or rather lies.
    And this thread is about Roe V Wade, dickhead.

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    Ending Roe Is Institutional Suicide for Supreme Court

    It’s no exaggeration to say that the abortion decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito and joined by four other conservatives, is one of the worst decisions in the court's history.



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    By Noah Feldman (Bloomberg)

    June 24, 2022, 11:29 PM GMT+7

    Modern constitutional law as we have known it ended today.
    When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood, it repudiated the very idea that America’s highest court exists to protect people’s fundamental liberties from legislative majorities that would infringe on them.
    What the dissent aptly called a “catastrophic” decision is not only a catastrophe for women, who now can be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. It is a catastrophe for all Americans — and for people all over the world who have built their own modern constitutional courts on the US model. The tyranny of the majority won the day.

    The right to an abortion was based on the principle of a living Constitution that evolves to expand liberty and equality. That same master principle of modern constitutional law provided the grounding for Brown v. Board of Education, ending segregation. It was the basis for Obergefell v. Hodges, finding a right to same-sex marriage. It is the same principle that undergirds dozens of other decisions establishing rights we today consider fundamental, from sexual freedom to stop and seizure, that were not considered similarly basic in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified or in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was.


    In place of the living Constitution that protects liberty and equality from the tyranny of the majority, the court in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization announced a Constitution that only protects rights that already existed in the distant past. The majority considered it irrelevant that the people who ratified the original constitutional provisions did not include women, whose rights are at issue in Dobbs and whose equality is derogated by the decision. According to the majority, the dead hand of the past rules our constitutional future.


    It is no exaggeration to say that the Dobbs decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito and joined by four other conservatives, is an act of institutional suicide for the Supreme Court. The legitimacy of the modern court depends on its capacity to protect the vulnerable by limiting how the majority can infringe on basic rights to liberty and equality.
    The Dobbs majority not only takes the court out of that business. It holds that the court should never have expanded the protection of liberty and equality in the first place.
    The most basic argument of the Dobbs decision is that, in 1868, states did not consider abortion a fundamental right. That is accurate, as the magisterial dissent, co-authored by Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, acknowledges.

    But in 1868, there was also no clearly established right to contraception. There were no Miranda rights to protect arrestees. There was no right to choose your own sexual partner, let alone to marry the person you love. And there is no definitive historical evidence that the people who ratified the 14th Amendment thought that doing so prohibited segregation. If you take Dobbs’s logic seriously, all the landmark decisions establishing these rights are wrong.

    Will the court now undertake a major effort to revisit these core rights?

    Alito’s majority opinion, which is not significantly different from his leaked draft, tries to suggest the court will not do that. Its only basis for that suggestion is to say that abortion is “unique” because it involves life. Justice Clarence Thomas, in a separate concurrence, called openly for revisiting rights to sexual freedom and gay marriage. The dissenters argued cogently that it is now open season on those and similar basic rights.

    It is hard for me to imagine that the rest of the conservative justices actually plan to roll back many of our most fundamental rights. Unfortunately, that hardly matters. State legislatures can and will now pass laws that violate or eliminate those rights. The lower courts will have to adjudicate them. Ultimately the Supreme Court will have to weigh in again.



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    And this thread is about Roe V Wade, dickhead.
    I look forward to your further discomfiture come the Mid terms, numbskull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I never considered the US a country which would take away rights.
    Perhaps previously it wasn’t happening to people with whom you have much proximity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I am so ready to leave this place.
    Concluded same years ago Kit. List of reasons is long. This just adds 1 more to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalEden View Post
    The US Supreme Court ruled whether the US Constitution specifically includes abortion rights. They ruled it does not. So, the right to regulate abortion goes to the voters/representatives of each of the states.

    If enough states/voters feel a need to change the constitution, they can change the constitution.
    Never going to happen. Which is more a reflection of the fundamental flaws in the political system than everything else.

    The Republicans have been gaming this system for years, and the Democrats have not had a clue what has been happening right in front of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Granted, overturning Roe vs Wade was a Supreme court decision- but BBB, a national health care system, and raising the Federal minimum wage were all Democrat campaign promises- or rather lies.
    You don't have a fucking clue what's required to do these things, and why it can't be done, hence your ridiculous waffle.

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    Smell the Butthurt. Anyone would think I invaded Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    ^ The fact that states can ban abortion and assume they can take the right away from a woman to chose how she deals with her body is medieval, you lot are back in the dark ages.
    Now you are exaggerating like a wanker.

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    As I have said previously, the US and its society is very much an emerging state, scarcely 300 years old, and aberrations are inevitable as they develop.

    The current iteration of their Supreme Court is little more than a conclave of ayatollahs appointed by a dysfunctional system contaminated by inherent stupidity.

    No wonder indeed that Septics find Thailand so alluring and feel at home here, they clearly share a propensity for systemic fuckwittery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Smell the Butthurt. Anyone would think I invaded Ukraine.
    Nah, they'd think you're a fucking tosser, and they'd be right.

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    Phew, what a stench. Fermenting Butthurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Phew, what a stench. Fermenting Butthurt.
    Stop farting all over the forum if you dont like the smell.

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    More Butthurt. Thought you had me on Ignore?

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    Well, when you look at the rate that Americans are killing each other it seems a logical decision.
    The U.S. needs more targets.


    Seriously now, its a sad day for women rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Stop farting all over the forum if you dont like the smell.
    He certainly stinks the place out with the amount of shit he posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Now you are exaggerating like a wanker.


    Republican-run US states move to immediately ban abortion after court overturns Roe v Wade

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jun/24/what-states-have-abortion-trigger-laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Republican-run US states move to immediately ban abortion after court overturns Roe v Wade

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jun/24/what-states-have-abortion-trigger-laws

    And there are all sorts of other protections that they are going after next.

    Odious fucking god bothering c u n t s.

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    A reminder:

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And there are all sorts of other protections that they are going after next.
    Depressing for women, hard fought rights swept away at the stroke of a pen. Americans, right minded ones indeed must be wondering what next, a sad day for the country.

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    It's telling to see posters being critical of the west/their own country on this thread.

    What a shame that others are so brainwashed they cannot do the same elsewhere.

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    What this tells me is democracy is dead in America. The Supreme court sets the rules regardless of what party is in power. For democracy to live in the U.S. the supreme court needs to be abolished.
    Someone refered to them as the ayatollahs. The council of elders maybe. Certainly not democratic. Particularly when the vast majority of citixens in the U.S. support RvW. And din't they over rule a NY ban on carrying poistols in public a while ago?
    Yep, if seven people can over rule any law then democracy is done.
    If we stop testing right now wed have very few cases, if any. Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Depressing for women, hard fought rights swept away at the stroke of a pen. Americans, right minded ones indeed must be wondering what next, a sad day for the country.
    It's very easily solved in the next two elections. They need to get off their fat arses and go and vote.

    The ramifications of a Democrat supermajority are huge; they could wipe away all damage caused by this vote-rigging, racist, sexist bunch of c u n t s in no time at all.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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