tell me whats not true about the EU and NATO

**david44** · 19-09-2021, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

the 'orrible Europeans

Is that you 'orrible Germans Danes and butterfluffers,Bohemian Klong Dykes or are you allowing the Islanders, Bogtrotters, little England, Mighty Wales and soused Scots nir Maltesers in?

P.S.I am awaiting my nong's roast pork a kinda Irsuh Wiener sprizl with rosti murphys and poke Choy

Shouldn't you be saying your prayers and checking the verandah for terrorist or Murray seperatists in Aorta ReargunnaHut?

**Klondyke** · 19-09-2021, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am sure Klongdick and Sabang will be along to deny that any of this actually happened.

I do not know how Sabang, but I would remind few more things he forgot to mention: Downing of the MH plane(s) (if the one, why not the one before, highly likely), explosion of the weapon arsenal in Czech (mind the thousands Kalashnikovs that did not melt but no longer found). Few more crimes could surely be mentioned as well, the forum does not lack experts...

But what should be noted: there could be a SchadenFreude for the Franchies, didn't they forget how they cancelled the Mistrals for dangerous Mr. Putin?
But anyway, despite 'arry's advice, he (Mr.P.) still has been supplying the gas over 40 years, without making use of his exceptional position (perhaps 'cause nobody told him "you are exceptional").

Wondering when kommt der Tag and at the end of the day he will take a Muster (example) from his many "friends" who are so good with keeping promises and contracted treaties... (not an inch Eastwards...)

**panama hat** · 21-09-2021, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

I do not know

We are aware of that

**Switch** · 21-09-2021, 08:04 AM

France has never been a full NATO member, other than being attached to the EU mainland. They have frequently flouted arms sales to less than honorable countries, whenever it served their purpose, and it supported their defence industry.
France has 4 Nuclear powered submarines equipped with nuclear weapons, as part of the overall nuclear capability, with only one sub permanently deployed. The remaining nuclear weapons are with the French Air Force.

The US/UK deal will help supply and build nuclear powered, but not nuclear armed for Australia. It is a measure of how far behind their procurement system was, when you consider that the last UK diesel electric subs were retired in the 1980s.
Nuclear powered vessels have greater longevity of operations and better, quieter stealth operations, so it’s no surprise that the Australians were smart enough to cancel the diesel electric order they originally placed with France. (Not with the EU.)
Given the greater threat currently faced by Australia in the Pacific, it makes sense to have a more modern underwater capability.
The combined experience of the US/UK nuclear powered fleets has maintained a NATO capability for decades, with both the US and the UK having autonomy for these assets to be deployed, individually, or collectively, under the NATO. umbrella.
France has dithered and costs have risen for the proposed diesel electric deal. Some of this could be down to French issues or possibly Australian demands for change.
The Australians want modern capable submarines. France can no longer provide this service because the technology has moved on.
The French expertise in nuclear powered vessels is limited to 10 submarines, of which only 4 are equipped with nuclear weapons, and usually only one of those at sea on a rotation basis. They also have their navy flagship, the CdG nuclear powered aircraft carrier, which has the advantage of cat and trap launch systems for use by US Navy aircraft.
However, the CdG build was compromised from the start by the non availability of a shipyard
to build such a concept. It is now overdue replacement, but the French can’t afford it.

Australia made the correct choice for the Australian Navy. Their submarines will be modern and capable, and mostly assembled by home based ship yards. They will enjoy the superior and long held expertise of the US/UK NATO collaboration. The French don’t like that word. Hahaha

**Klondyke** · 21-09-2021, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke
I do not know

Originally Posted by panama hat

We are aware of that

Still in the kindergarten forum?

**panama hat** · 21-09-2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Still in the kindergarten forum?

No, you've been released

**malmomike77** · 21-09-2021, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by helge

I hear that the AUS-EU trade negotiations has been put on hold.

Its funny. VDL is spouting off about one of the EU member states being treated unfairly. I was not aware that the EU was party to the French/Oz deal, i thought they contracted as a sovereign nation. Just goes to show how out of touch the EU is.

**helge** · 21-09-2021, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

VDL

? Help

Originally Posted by malmomike77

one of the EU member states

Not just one of...

They have a say. I think you know

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I was not aware that the EU was party to the French/Oz deal

Indirectly

Guess you haven't heard about some initiative regarding the Pacific,that the EU incl France was working on

Would it have been so difficult to include France in that Pacific Club ?

They do have interests there

Yes it would.

Yanks want that deal for themselves.

They need it

**Shutree** · 21-09-2021, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by helge

? Help

Ursula von der Leyen?

**Neverna** · 21-09-2021, 03:30 PM

I get the impression that the EU wants to be a major power and be taken serioulsy on the world stage as one. Economically, fair enough; politically, ok; but militarily they are a long way off that despite all their combined military resources.

**helge** · 21-09-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Shutree

Ursula von der Leyen?

Thank You, kind sir

Originally Posted by malmomike77

No they do not, not in the contract.

They have a say in the EU. Always did. (try harder, Swede)

Originally Posted by malmomike77

You sound as upset as the EU poor chap

Not at all; actually find it entertaining and can't wait for the elephant in the porcelain shop, AUS, to start whining

I am trying to educate you a bit, cause you fucking need it, Moonie.

**helge** · 21-09-2021, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

I get the impression that the EU wants to be a major power and be taken serioulsy on the world stage as one. Economically, fair enough; politically, ok; but militarily they are a long way off that despite all their combined military resources.

Ofcourse "they" do.

It's just that the EU consists of of memberstates with their own opinions. The Good Lord be praises for that (hi Cyrille

)

The world doesn't need one more super power measuring dicks with China

**malmomike77** · 21-09-2021, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Ofcourse "they" do.

They don't have an objective, they'll never decide on one in much they same way the committee is always getting overtaken by events and blindsided.

Anyway enough of the EU.

**lom** · 21-09-2021, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by helge

They have a say in the EU. Always did. (try harder, Swede)

He's not one of us, he only tries to make you believe that..
His shield was busted the same day he arrived here with that nic.

**panama hat** · 21-09-2021, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

I get the impression that the EU wants to be a major power and be taken serioulsy on the world stage as one. Economically, fair enough; politically, ok; but militarily they are a long way off that despite all their combined military resources.

One thing the EU doesn't want is to be a 'major military power' - not the aim and not necessary

Originally Posted by helge

It's just that the EU consists of of memberstates with their own opinions.

This is what the aBrits have always bemoaned that they somehow didn't have . . . which of course they did, but were too dense to question their politicians whine about it

Originally Posted by malmomike77

They don't have an objective

Yes, so you've repeated often enough with none of the times making sense.

**panama hat** · 21-09-2021, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

No they do not, not in the contract.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

They don't have an objective

Seriously, though, what are you trying to say?

Originally Posted by malmomike77

i thought they contracted as a sovereign nation. Just goes to show how out of touch the EU is.

Perhaps it just goes to show that you don't know what you're babbling on about.

**HermantheGerman** · 22-09-2021, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Germany 555, they are soon to be sucking on Putins pipe, you still haven't worked it out yet?

UK energy firms seek state support to weather gas crisis

Energy crisis: Why gas prices have soared and left UK facing prospect of food shortages

UK energy groups ask for state ‘bad bank’ to weather gas crisis

**malmomike77** · 22-09-2021, 02:34 AM

^ you German muppet. UK supply is 50% homegrown, 30% Norway, 20% Qatar. Where is yours from...oh

https://www.ft.com/content/eb231586-7214-44af-99c2-b42ee408e206

**panama hat** · 22-09-2021, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Where is yours from...oh

Hence the need to import it, you utter cretin. Why does that even pose difficulty for you to understand? Ah, pissed off your nut again.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

UK supply is 50% homegrown, 30% Norway, 20% Qatar.

Scotland supplies the vast majority of your oil - you're fucked when they decide to go it alone.

Why you constantly make these threads into some national chest-thumping competition is quite childish

**HermantheGerman** · 22-09-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

UK supply is 50% homegrown

...plus lots of oil.

But why then does U.K. look like a third world country and not like Dubai or Emirates?

Russia and U.K. have a lot in common....economically of course.

U.K. needs to sell more subs and stay fresh.

Now just imagine Germany had all that gas and oil. You guys would be starting another war

**Klondyke** · 22-09-2021, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Now just imagine Germany had all that gas and oil.

tell me whats not true about the EU and NATO-gazprom-severni-potok-jpg

**harrybarracuda** · 22-09-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

...plus lots of oil.

But why then does U.K. look like a third world country and not like Dubai or Emirates?

Because it only produces a million barrels a day, it's not brilliant quality and the costs of producing it are high.

P.S. Dubai is IN the Emirates. And Abu Dhabi has most of the Emirates' Oil.

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