Thread: The View, from China

ANNE STEVENSON-YANG

The China bear’s China bear.

Decades ago, as a high school student, Anne Stevenson-Yang carried a copy of Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book. Now, after about 25 years in China, the former journalist and economist finds herself deeply disillusioned. Fluent in Chinese and with a roster of government and private contacts that allow her to keep a finger on the nation’s pulse, Stevenson-Yang is frequently sought by media types searching for on-the-ground perspectives on the nitty-gritty of the country’s sometimes opaque economy, from currency policy to capital flight to the collapse of real estate developers. She believes that endemic corruption and fraud, growing wealth inequality, and the lawlessness of the elite have hollowed China from the inside out; that massive levels of bad debt threaten to derail the economy; and that China’s leadership is desperate to prevent disaster. President Donald Trump has cast the East Asian giant as a super-competitor cheating the United States out of money and power. But from Beijing’s perspective, Stevenson-Yang told NPR, “The image is water building up behind a very thin retaining wall and in danger of spilling over.”

The U.S.-China 50 - Foreign Policy


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I have a feeling this may be kinda "try to feel good" stuff, after y'know Afghanistan. But hey, it's your dollar.

Oh, please. Martin Sieff - America’s Cycles of Change

Your guy the same ilk except he doesn’t live in China, he lives in Russia.

It's your $$. Your choice. This investor has done quite OK from being long on China. So far.

But the OP article was written by Hu Xijin, the Editor in Chief of the Global Times. Not sure where Martin Sieff enters the equation?

Ruh roh. Your post #28.

So, moving right along. Sabang, where might we find A View, From China which was written my your average Chinese Joe and not by a newspaper owned by the Communist Party? Don’t you think the writers of opinion pieces in the China Daily are elite Communist Party members.

I’ve not been in China since 1987-88. I traveled around Guangzhou with the daughter of a newspaper editor and Communist Party member. Be damned if I can remember which paper it was, maybe the China Daily. I’ve long since lost contact with her after she moved to San Francisco. She was terribly sheltered and didn’t know much about the world outside China at all. She would send clips from news in the US to her father in Guangzhou. He asked her to stop because he feared what would happen if he were caught with those news clippings.

Which conveniently leads to-


Why US so obsessed with ideas of changing others?



There is a crucial element for the stable development of US-China relations: US policymakers need to restrain and abandon their intrinsic impulse to change China's political system.

Expanding the ideas and concepts of the US empire into the world has always prevented the two countries from seeking a persistent, peaceful coexistence on an equal footing.

The two countries have different ideologies and political systems. Yet they are determined by the fact that they are two civilizations. Both civilizations have a long development process. The doctrines and political systems built on their respective foundations are therefore different.

China has learned a lot from the West, but it cannot and will not wholly copy the Western system. It is impossible and hazardous for the US to do everything it can to change China's political system according to US willingness. Threatening China to alter course of action by making it the enemy won't work.

It seems that Washington has been trying to transform the Islamic states after the 9/11 attacks. This has been a completely counterproductive move. It ultimately dragged itself into numerous quagmires.

China has its ideology, but that does not mean that it will impose its ideology and democracy model on the world. China's economy grows fast, and it has become the second-largest economy in the world. Even with this wealth, China has no urge to conquer or transform other countries, let alone dominate the world.

It is ridiculous to presuppose that China wants to seize the global dominance of the US politically and economically. Yet the US says China wants to surpass them and lead the world to abandon the American model of democracy. It further says China wants to spread a Chinese model to the world. This is a purely unfounded proposition deliberately set by Washington itself.

A glimpse of the Chinese government's policy pronouncements and present course of action clarifies why China will not become a hegemonic state like the US.

Being the world's sole superpower, the US has dominated the basic construction of the world order since World War II. This is the ultimate result of the continued expansion of Western civilization for the past 500 years. The US carries this torch now.

But the institutional model defined by Western civilization cannot be considered the sole direction of all other nations with different cultures. There is never just one standard for realizing democracy. There never should have been just single route.

As developing countries represented by China rise as a group, they will inevitably find different paths to democracy that better suited to their development. In this process, they will gradually look at Western civilization with an equal eye.

China has developed rapidly for several decades, and will undoubtedly become more assertive in the international arena. However, China's domestic policy adjustments, including legal governance measures to ensure stability in Hong Kong and Xinjiang, provide positive energy for global development. This also holds true for China's external cooperation programs such as the Belt and Road Initiative.

In particular, Chinese companies are going global in a fundamentally different way from Western powers' savage plundering of the world. However, these are seen by the US as a global challenge of "tyranny VS democracy." This is the hegemonic logic of naked imperialism.

China is not an enemy of the US. It is only when Washington treats Beijing as an enemy that China becomes more and more like an enemy.

If the US cannot learn to live peacefully with a more confident country, this will be a disaster for them and the world. They need to respect a progressively growing economic power with a different ideology.

Yet Washington insists that China is a powerful opponent and makes its allies react to this. It demands China transform its political system.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, US policymakers sought to transform the countries with an ideology and system that were different from Western civilization. They even tried to reverse it by force.

After its retreat from Afghanistan, the US should reflect on using military means to "install" a government or "regime change." That's not enough. It must ask itself: Why does the US always have such motive? Why is it so obsessed with it?

The author is a senior editor with People's Daily, and currently a senior fellow with the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China.

Why US so obsessed with ideas of changing others? - Global Times​

Originally Posted by sabang

The author is a senior editor with People's Daily, and currently a senior fellow with the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China.

Why US so obsessed with ideas of changing others? - Global Times​

I never would have guessed...

Originally Posted by sabang

Is 'your average China Joe' Sabang?

I really do not think so.

Have you lost your mind? You posted an opinion piece by this man. He ain’t Chinese in any way and doesn’t even live there.

Again, where might we find A View, From China which was written my your average Chinese Joe and not by a newspaper owned by the Communist Party? Don’t you think the writers of opinion pieces in the China Daily are elite Communist Party members?

Ad hominem MK, you are better than this. Your comment on the content and theme of the articles would be valued though.

Originally Posted by sabang

But I did not describe him as "your average China Joe" MK.



Considering this Thread is titled "The View from China", no need to even guess any more.
I will only link to articles written by China Joes, average or not.
Otherwise Misskit will get all shirty with me.



But the article raises a very valid point, indeed- why is America so obsessed with changing the ideas of others?
The Chinese way has been working very well indeed over the last 30 years. I would argue, better than the American.
Which leads to the obvious inference- there is more than one valid way. So why is a 'different way' Americas automatic enemy?
And if we add the bloody debacles in Central Asia & ME, I do think a spot of national self reflection should be in order.

The article might have more impact were it not in denial about the disingenuous methods of global perpetration by the CPR.

I agree with their methodology up to a point, but their conduct on defense spending and roughshod attitude to the South China Sea claims are both forceful, and direct.
Elsewhere, cheap loans and Chinese labour proliferate.

Belligerence from both sides is clearly not the answer. If they can try and understand each other’s reasoning and standpoints, diplomacy, compromise and pragmatism might eventually work for both sides. Trouble is, everyone wants jam today, not jam tomorrow.

their conduct on defense spending

???

roughshod attitude to the South China Sea

Yes, I do agree here.

Originally Posted by Cujo

What drives China-US game: Washington believes being poor is Chinese people’s fate - Global Times

From the CCP propoganda dept mouthpiece ffs and it reads like propoganda.

So the standing government of China has zero legitimacy in your mind ? The UN recognized government of China ? They have zero legitimate views ?

That's what you are saying. That is a view countries that go to war with each other have. So you in effect, support war against China. You are saying it right now.

Originally Posted by sabang

???

Yes, I do agree here.

Why do you agree on the South China sea ? There's far more than meets the eye here.

Hypocri-sea: The United States’ Failure to Join the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas (or UNCLOS) has been described as “the constitution of the oceans.” Originally finalized in 1982, UNCLOS’ 320 articles and nine annexes represent arguably the most holistic codification of international law in history. One hundred and fifty seven nations have signed on to the treaty and agreed to its wide-ranging provisions on topics such as coastal sovereignty, conservation and ocean resource management, and the freedom of the high seas. One thing, though, is missing from the Convention: the signature of the United States of America.

Hypocri-sea: The United States’ Failure to Join the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

Originally Posted by sabang

Ad hominem MK, you are better than this. Your comment on the content and theme of the articles would be valued though.

Which bit of "You're posting shit chinky propaganda from chinky state-controlled media" are you struggling with?

Originally Posted by OhOh

"all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China.

and the Republic of China moved its government to Formosa in 1949 and that is where it still is.

Originally Posted by lom

and the Republic of China moved its government to Formosa in 1949 and that is where it still is.

And the leader who brought the Republic there was many times democratically elected, being...

the longest-serving non-royal ruler of China, having held the post for 46 years.

Who shall sit as the judge and jury?

When it comes to the Gorillas, it's basically themselves, innit? That's Realpolitik. The US has it's Monroe Doctrine, China swings it weight around in the Sth China Sea.

Originally Posted by sabang

The US has it's Monroe Doctrine, China swings it weight around in the Sth China Sea.

How many illegal military/financial coups/political assassinations in SCS countries v South/Central America/Caribbean countries?

The flithy chinky scum are trying to cover up evidence of their massacre of innocent civilians at Tiananmen Square.

The "view from chinastan" is that it never happened.

HONG KONG: Hong Kong police on Thursday raided the premises of the closed June 4th Museum, dedicated to the victims of China's 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in and around Beijing's Tiananmen Square.
The raid came hours after a dozen pro-democracy activists pleaded guilty of knowingly participating in an unauthorised assembly during last year's June 4 anniversary, when rallies were banned by police, citing the coronavirus.
The 2021 vigil was banned for similar reasons.
The reason for the raid was unclear. Police did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Officers were seen loading a truck with cardboards, including one with the museum's logo and another carrying a picture of a lit candle.
On Wednesday, police arrested four members of the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China, the group that organises the annual rallies, including vice-chairwoman Chow Hang Tung.

Police raid museum commemorating Tiananmen victims

Originally Posted by sabang

Ad hominem MK.

Not at all, she's just saying it would be interesting to hear from an ACTUAL average Joe (Zhou) in China rather that the party hacks employed by the China Daily and Global Times.

Originally Posted by lom

and the Republic of China moved its government to Formosa in 1949 and that is where it still is.

That's the truth of the matter. The rebels are still running the mainland though. (not a popular opinion I guess)