Kyle Rittenhouse. Murder or self defense ?

**Bonecollector** · 20-11-2021, 06:09 PM

Thanks for those nidhogg, it definitely sheds more light on understanding his character, I feel he is still quite juvenile and possibily a loner who wants to feel part of something. I still think he is not guilty and his victims were white so I can't see any evidence this was racially motivated. The fact that the FBI could not find any links to any far-right or white supremacists groups, would lead me to believe he was a little coerced into making those gestures on that day. More images of him making the same gestures and hanging with the same people before and after this occurrence would sway me to believe otherwise.

As Sabang said, he is probably guilty of some low level law but not of murder. It is generally considered in most places in America, that if someone steps to you with the intent of doing you harm, you are well within your rights to shoot that man/ women cold dead.

**koman** · 20-11-2021, 06:12 PM

^^
Fair enough...I thought it was the Kenosha police. He turned himself in at around 1:30am in Antioch.
He was on video walking towards the police vehicles not far from the last shooting with his hands up.

**koman** · 20-11-2021, 06:27 PM

There is a good interview with Mark Richards ( lead defence lawyer) on NewsNation. Seems like a good guy.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-11-2021, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by koman

More than that....they were attacking him. He was not attacking any of them. Others ran towards him but backed off and retracted...he did not fire at any of them. He only fired at the ones that attacked him....and he gave himself up to the police as soon as he could reach them.

Oh you can fuck off with that nonsense.

He could have gone and found them after the first shooting.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-11-2021, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

They were swayed by the fact all three were criminals and the two that were rightful shot dead in the act of self defense were convicted of domestic abuse and one of child abuse.

You don't really know much about the US legal system do you?

**koman** · 20-11-2021, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh you can fuck off with that nonsense.

He could have gone and found them after the first shooting.

Well, there was the small matter of being knocked down, kicked in the head, smashed with a skateboard, and having a Glock shoved in his face on the way, and having to shoot two more attackers. Likely shook him up a bit and confused him.
He was only 17 at the time and obviously lacking your extensive experience of such violent and life threatening situations...

**harrybarracuda** · 20-11-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by koman

Well, there was the small matter of being knocked down, kicked in the head, smashed with a skateboard, and having a Glock shoved in his face on the way, and having to shoot two more attackers. Likely shook him up a bit and confused him.
He was only 17 at the time and obviously lacking your extensive experience of such violent and life threatening situations...

Fucking hell, now he's Rambo.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-11-2021, 08:40 PM

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**cyrille** · 20-11-2021, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by koman

He was only 17 at the time and obviously lacking your extensive experience of such violent and life threatening situations...

Maybe harry's mum just wouldn't drive him?

Ever thought of that?

**Backspin** · 20-11-2021, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by koman

^^
Fair enough...I thought it was the Kenosha police. He turned himself in at around 1:30am in Antioch.
He was on video walking towards the police vehicles not far from the last shooting with his hands up.

He tried to turn himself into the local. Police on the scene but they yelled at him and waved him away

**Backspin** · 20-11-2021, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Still can't believe there's adults who think turning the clock back is legitimate reasoning in this case

**harrybarracuda** · 20-11-2021, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Maybe harry's mum just wouldn't drive him?

Ever thought of that?

That's a cracker that one sybille. You're a brilliant comedian.

You should have your own show. You could be the next Julian Clary or something.

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**Bonecollector** · 20-11-2021, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You don't really know much about the US legal system do you?

I am not talking about the US legal system, I am talking about what effect that would have had on the Jury. I do know one thing about the US legal system, without money, it is a very dangerous place to be.

**helge** · 20-11-2021, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

I do know one thing about the US legal system, without money, it is a very dangerous place to be.

That's what I heard

**malmomike77** · 20-11-2021, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Does this mean there's gonna be more riots and shootings?

And lots of shopping without having to pay - the community love a good free shop

**harrybarracuda** · 21-11-2021, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

I am not talking about the US legal system, I am talking about what effect that would have had on the Jury. I do know one thing about the US legal system, without money, it is a very dangerous place to be.

Let me explain Manuel.

The Jury don't get to hear details of the witnesses' backgrounds.

They're not relevant to the case in hand.

For the same reason they didn't see a video of Rittenhouse beating up some woman.

However, civil trials have different rules.

**Bonecollector** · 21-11-2021, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Let me explain Manuel.

The Jury don't get to hear details of the witnesses' backgrounds.

They're not relevant to the case in hand.

For the same reason they didn't see a video of Rittenhouse beating up some woman.

However, civil trials have different rules.

I was under the impression that the judge had allowed this into evidence. I believe that is the terminology usually used.

**Backspin** · 21-11-2021, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Let me explain Manuel.

The Jury don't get to hear details of the witnesses' backgrounds.

They're not relevant to the case in hand.

For the same reason they didn't see a video of Rittenhouse beating up some woman.

However, civil trials have different rules.

That was not Rittenhouse. Not positively identified at all.

**helge** · 21-11-2021, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Jury don't get to hear details of the witnesses' backgrounds.

They're not relevant to the case in hand.

I seem to remember, that the defence, had a major go at a witness in the OJ trial.

Mark Fuhrman

And rightly so; was that racist pig to be trusted ?

Nah

**beachbound** · 21-11-2021, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

That was not Rittenhouse. Not positively identified at all.

If, in fact he wasn’t “positively identified”, then you can’t say “That was not Rittenhouse” ( well, you can because you’re an idiot. But a rational person wouldn’t. )

**Edmond** · 21-11-2021, 01:23 AM

Is betabound related to one of the armed nutters that chased, attacked, assaulted and attempted to steal from a kid?

Edit:

was only joshing, beachbuddy.

I, for one, fully support you and your interests/hobbies.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-11-2021, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

I was under the impression that the judge had allowed this into evidence. I believe that is the terminology usually used.

You were under the wrong impression.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-11-2021, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by helge

I seem to remember, that the defence, had a major go at a witness in the OJ trial.

Mark Fuhrman

And rightly so; was that racist pig to be trusted ?

Nah

That was allowed because it wasn't to impugn the witness.

It was to cast doubt on the forensic evidence. It would have been an easy mistrial if the judge had tried to throw it out.

And in my opinion, that's what got him off.

When you have a hard core racist in charge of forensic evidence, which was all the prosecution really had, he made it incredibly simple for the defence to show reasonable doubt.

But being a racist wanker got him a nice gig with Fox News.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-11-2021, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by beachbound

If, in fact he wasn’t “positively identified”, then you can’t say “That was not Rittenhouse” ( well, you can because you’re an idiot. But a rational person wouldn’t. )

"You're an idiot" would have been quite sufficient.

**RPETER65** · 21-11-2021, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

That was not Rittenhouse. Not positively identified at all.

Harry doesn’t care.

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