50 Years Since Che Guevara Was Murdered

[Klondyke]

But for many, the legacy of Che Guevara lives on.
By Bill Ayers and Michael Steven Smith OCTOBER 9, 2017



But Che Guevara was also a flesh-and-blood human being—flawed, contradictory, trembling, and real—and as we mark the anniversary of his murder on October 9, 1967, it feels important to reflect on the Che who burned, intense and vital, for 39 years. This Che was a Marxist revolutionary and anti-imperialist, who saw the ravages of US foreign policy and fiercely fought against them; he was an internationalist, a believer in popular uprisings to end oppression and poverty—and for this he was assassinated with the active support and participation of the United States.

Dead now for 50 years, Che wasn’t much older than those of us who were radicalized in the 1960s, and he was formed by conditions not altogether different than those that affected us. To us, Che was a symbol of boldness, intelligence, internationalism, self-sacrifice, solidarity and, as he said, “at the risk of appearing ridiculous,” love. Che rejected personal gain and privilege for the leaders in a struggle for a fair and just society; he lived as he asked others to live.

It’s been said that Che was a citizen of the world. Perhaps more accurately, Che was a citizen of a world that did not yet exist.

https://www.thenation.com/article/it...-was-murdered/

[Davis Knowlton]

But his t-shirt will live forever on the bodies of pimply teenagers who have no clue who he was......

[jabir]

EU should follow Ireland's lead and issue a stamp to commemorate his death.



Did they really?

How far Left can the looney Left go without embarrassing even themselves?

[Pragmatic]

A T-shirt in Thailand if Che had never been born.

[Klondyke]

In 2013, UNESCO announced that the collection "The Life and Works of Ernesto Che Guevara" became part of the Memory of the World Register. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a US congresswoman, condemned this decision, saying that the organization acts against its own ideals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO

[raycarey]

Did they really?

a couple of points....

1. he's of irish descent...someone way back was from galway.
2. the 120,000 first run of the stamps has sold out.
3. the cubans in miami are upset about it....so i'd say they should print another 250,000

[Fluke]

and for this he was assassinated with the active support and participation of the United States.


Re-writing history there .
The USA wanted him kept alive and it was Bolivians who killed him

[HuangLao]

The other side of the romantic notions and promotions of Che are lessened as years entrenched his martyred-like existence into what now is a sainthood.

A blood lusting warrior soul that sought or instigated war instead of peaceful resolutions.
A military/soldiering/war mindset.
Blind or vacant to any deepened political cause in which he might have justified his murdering angst.
Much less humble and self-indulgent than what we have been led to think.


Evidently, he didn't get the memo regarding real contemporary revolutionaries and their visions: Gandhi, MLK, Mandela, et al

[jabir]

a couple of points....

1. he's of irish descent...someone way back was from galway.
2. the 120,000 first run of the stamps has sold out.
3. the cubans in miami are upset about it....so i'd say they should print another 250,000

Yes they have confirmed another run of Che stamps 'for general release'. Money to be made, so my guess is most of the first run went to insiders.

[HuangLao]

Re-writing history.

It's become the base practice for what we all know.
Take refuge, as real history and historiography is still available if one wishes to imbibe.

The caveat being, it won't fit your conditioned your already conditioned agenda.

[stroller]

How far Left can the looney Left go without embarrassing even themselves?

Yes, keda, the Irish postal service is run by the "looney Left".

The USA wanted him kept alive and it was Bolivians who killed him

CIA backed Bolivians.

[stroller]

...
The traditionally Catholic country, which has never had a left-wing government, only established diplomatic relations with Cuba in 1999, 40 years after Guevara helped lead the Cuban revolution with Fidel Castro.

However Guevara’s father, Ernesto Guevara Lynch, was a civil engineer of Irish descent -- and the iconic red and black print of the long-haired Che known from t-shirts and posters around the world was produced by an Irish artist, Jim Fitzpatrick.
On this basis Ireland’s postal service this week issued the new stamp featuring Fitzpatrick’s image of Guevara to mark the 50th anniversary of his death.
The postal service described Guevara, killed by CIA-backed Bolivian soldiers in Bolivia in 1967, as “the quintessential left-wing revolutionary.”
...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1CG259

[Klondyke]

The USA wanted him kept alive

Really?
Similarly, how they wanted kept alive Lumumba, Khaddafi, just to name few?

[HuangLao]

Really?
Similarly, how they wanted kept alive Lumumba, Khaddafi, just to name few?

If you had the full list, it might be embarrassing to the U.S. power structure.....or not.

As they have a wealthy history of such illegal and unethical practice.

[CaptainNemo]

The other side of the romantic notions and promotions of Che are lessened as years entrenched his martyred-like existence into what now is a sainthood.

A blood lusting warrior soul that sought or instigated war instead of peaceful resolutions.
A military/soldiering/war mindset.
Blind or vacant to any deepened political cause in which he might have justified his murdering angst.
Much less humble and self-indulgent than what we have been led to think.


Evidently, he didn't get the memo regarding real contemporary revolutionaries and their visions: Gandhi, MLK, Mandela, et al

So uncharacteristic of the left...









The seem to personalise every cause... and in debates, tend to play the man not the ball... seem to focus on emotion rather than reason.

They say there's no gender, but there's still sexism; they say there's only one race, but there's still racism; they portray themselves as intellectualism and tolerance, and yet display the same behaviour as all those they purport to oppose.



Che was a waster. He fought for nothing; and acheived everything he fought for. He has become naught but another anonymous saint of left-wing adolescent vapidity to join the canon, like some great olympian football sticker book of a political B team: the Accrington Stanley in the grand league of ideological profundity.

His hagiography, at best, should describe him as the patron saint of all backpackers...

[harrybarracuda]

An irrelevant soap dodger revered only by stupid students.

Who fucking cares?

[bsnub]

seem to focus on emotion rather than reason.

Ironic that it was emotion that got Drumpf elected rather than reason. You on the right love to flip the narrative that's what you do. It is what you have to do because reason and logic are not on your side not even a little bit.

they portray themselves as intellectualism and tolerance, and yet display the same behaviour as all those they purport to oppose.

We are intellectualism and tolerance. Your propagandists are desperate as usual to flip the narrative. It will not work in the long term. Your side is the side of racists who march chanting "blood and soil". As detached from reality as you may be mired down in the alt right fever swamps you can not and will not be able to detach yourself from your own racist ideology.

[DrB0b]

Yes, keda, the Irish postal service is run by the "looney Left".



CIA backed Bolivians.

That would be the Provisional Post Office, I believe that neither the Official Post Office nor the Real Post Office are leftist. The Irish National Post Office have recently shot all their postmen for illicit stamp-dealing and are not available to comment on their philatelo-political stance.

[CaptainNemo]

Ironic that it was emotion that got Drumpf elected rather than reason. You on the right love to flip the narrative that's what you do. It is what you have to do because reason and logic are not on your side not even a little bit.



We are intellectualism and tolerance. Your propagandists are desperate as usual to flip the narrative. It will not work in the long term. Your side is the side of racists who march chanting "blood and soil". As detached from reality as you may be mired down in the alt right fever swamps you can not and will not be able to detach yourself from your own racist ideology.

Trump isn't of the right. Moreover, the American notion of "right" does not map onto that of the old world... because America is not a real country, it's a concept... and invented identity, a false narrative justification, built on land stolen from an indigenous ethnic population - which in contrast to Europe is a tiny minority; in Europe (and Asia, and Africa) the indigenous ethnic populations are not in the minority, and this why the American concepts of "race" don't work here: there is no such thing as "white people" in Europe, there are myriad ethnicities, an ancient spectrum alive in the crucible of its making. American "white-ness" is an invention to describe those who are not the untermensch, but all of them are the outsiders there.

You think the left isn't racist?! The gentrified middle-class only affluent "ghettos"; the expoitation of cheap east european labour and exploitation and exclusion of Africa and Asia by the EU to prop up a lifestyle for effete pseudointellectual leftist middle class. The racialisation of the US election and Nobel peace prize to grab a token president - who objectively was one of the worst for his impact on human suffering around the med'.
Academics have long agred that there's no such thing as race, and yet the left perpetuate it's existence as trojan horse to advance the greater cause of control for control's sake - only black-haired people, and those of various made-up "religions" are allowed to have a "race". We have laws founded on a concept that academic consensus is that it does not exist - where is the reason and logic there?!

Your side has already lost and is in terminal decline, ever since the grand failures of the 20th century, and you are in denial of it. Pejoritise identity all you want, but human sense of identity - the long story passed through countless mother and father
pairings is intrinsic to people and motivates them whether they are conscious of it or not. All these exstrinsic identities the left tries to append to people to control them don't stick because they are not intrinsic to people, but they do create suffering and turmoil. You have no notion or understanding of reason and logic, and you cannot understand or accept that, which is why you are losing your grip as subsidiarity and self-determination is rippling across the developed world, rejecting your "big lie" propaganda statist politics - you are all about "flipping the narrative", whilst the dissidents rising up against you, are "flipping the bird".... hello freedom.

[wasabi]

Are you still able to buy "Bin Laden " T shirts in Thailand?
Ive purchased 2,over the years, for the novelty factor, you just don't see these Bin Laden T shirts worn anywhere by anybody in the West.

[harrybarracuda]

Are you still able to buy "Bin Laden " T shirts in Thailand?
Ive purchased 2,over the years, for the novelty factor, you just don't see these Bin Laden T shirts worn anywhere by anybody in the West.

I can lay my hands on some IS balaclavas if the price is right.

[Fluke]

Really?
Similarly, how they wanted kept alive Lumumba, Khaddafi, just to name few?

Yes really .
Other people are irrelevant in a discussion about whether the USA wanted CGV dead or alive

[Grampa]

Che,

Interesting man.

Also, over-rated.


The split with Castro, and Castro considering him a threat to a degree.

His venture into Africa was a mistaken vision and so was sneaking back into Bolivia trying to 'revolutionize' people working on the land who told the Che that Bolivia had conducted land reform 17 years before his arrival.

In the end, his ideological over-drive did him in.


Over-rated.

[Klondyke]

whether the USA wanted CGV dead or alive

Something like Fidel they wanted? What was the final figure of the attempts on him? (recently I pasted here a link but it was kindly deleted - obviously off topic... )

[Fluke]

CIA backed Bolivians.

Yes, the CIA did back the Bolivians, but they opposed the killing of CGV
Suggesting that the CIA were responsible for CGV's death is re-writing history