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    ok you are making valid points too, but Euroseptiks didn't happen overnight, it was deeply entrenched in the mentality

    and the populace got manipulated at the right time by the devious Torries,

    will it be a big loss for the UK? of course, you benefited greatly from the EU, but you were also a pain in the ass to deal with, and even more so after the financial crisis, as you correctly pointed out

    the point is it was bound to happen, the seeds were already planted, they needed the rain to flourish, and it did rain, quite a lot

    when things go wrong, everyone will have a tendency to retract into a fetal position,

    and Brexit is the fetal position the British feel comfortable with in that stage,

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    I don't think the UK will recover from Brexit, politically and economically

    it will be the dominant topic for the next 40 years,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    ok you are making valid points too, but Euroseptiks didn't happen overnight, it was deeply entrenched in the mentality

    and the populace got manipulated at the right time by the devious Torries,

    will it be a big loss for the UK? of course, you benefited greatly from the EU, but you were also a pain in the ass to deal with, and even more so after the financial crisis, as you correctly pointed out

    the point is it was bound to happen, the seeds were already planted, they needed the rain to flourish, and it did rain, quite a lot

    when things go wrong, everyone will have a tendency to retract into a fetal position,

    and Brexit is the fetal position the British feel comfortable with in that stage,
    Another dreamer in denial. I’m so happy UK won’t be involved when the currency and the socially engineered union collapses. Not fit for purpose. One size does not fit all. France will pull the pin. Bye.

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    Butters, the residual anti-EU mob since the 1970s were an eccentric, stupid, racist bunch of idiots and overblown dinosaurs that couldn't reconcile themselves to the reality they could no longer exploit the working Joe anymore. John Major in 1991/1992 called them all a bunch of 'bastards' which was perhaps the kindest description. Anyway, they were not a force in British politics and most derided them for being either weirdos or merely superannuated old tuskers and not of the real world. But the key thing pervading the narrative was a low class, blue collar oikish demographic that lapped up the cheap racism generated by the Sun newspaper against the French - East Europe wasn't even heard of then. But politically, they were zilch, a piss into a flooded gutter, a squitter in a cesspit.

    But come 2016 and 6 years of misery .......yep, fuck Cameron and fuck austerity.

    It's an accident of fate but you are right, it is going to fuck England fir decades - Scotland will be independent and Ireland will be united.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    will it be a big loss for the UK? of course, you benefited greatly from the EU, but you were also a pain in the ass to deal with, and even more so after the financial crisis, as you correctly pointed out
    Correct, and to put it bluntly, Brexiteers' overvalue how loved they are on the continent . . . here's a vid clip from a German version of the Today Show, just funnier. I'm posting this for OhOh who asked for multi-lingual input. The first half is about Brexit, the second about Megxit

    (It has subtitles)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Butters, the residual anti-EU mob since the 1970s were an eccentric, stupid, racist bunch of idiots and overblown dinosaurs that couldn't reconcile themselves to the reality they could no longer exploit the working Joe anymore. John Major in 1991/1992 called them all a bunch of 'bastards' which was perhaps the kindest description. Anyway, they were not a force in British politics and most derided them for being either weirdos or merely superannuated old tuskers and not of the real world.
    so why did they dominated the whole situation if they were a minority? I don't think they were to be honest, and I think you fooled yourself into thinking that the anti-EU resentment was not deeply present in the majority of the population. 52% no matter how controversial, is not a small number.

    The civil servants and the intelligent elite knew it was a mistake, but they are a minority

    the majority is always brutal and stupid, hence why you need an intelligent elite to manipulate them

    it turns out the dumb elite got in control and used all they could to survive their own stupidity, with the help of the dumb mass, too happy to be manipulated with stupid shit

    England in 10 years will be like a small offshore Caribbean island, maybe a Singapore, a place for the rich and famous, with a struggling middle class and a lot of poor people working for nothing

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    God you lot whinge more than jimmy krankies lot. Hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    England in 10 years will be like a small offshore Caribbean island, maybe a Singapore, a place for the rich and famous, with a struggling middle class and a lot of poor people working for nothing
    That's exactly how it is already, the shitted on poor taking the only protest vote available, Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    You are plainly quite unhinged and not a little stupid. You inevitably resort to pedantry, obduracy and an obtuse myopia that blinds you to everything except your own miserable squalid prejudice and bigotry, and you are a bore.
    But at least you are a valid reference point in measuring a degree of imbecility.
    Au contraire. I represent the middle ground. They were tired of being fucked about by socialist pedants like you. Small men with tiny minds, who ruled the roost, whichever government was in charge.
    You, and your beloved civil service wankers, have been thrown overboard, simply because the “blue collar oiks” have had enough.
    The world is run by real people, not small minded, entitled elites. Get used to it. Wanker.
    It matters not, what you say anymore. The real population has spoken. Get over it, you entitled whimp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I don't think the UK will recover from Brexit, politically and economically

    it will be the dominant topic for the next 40 years,
    You ought to be delighted with Brexit, it's been a convenient diversion from structural faults within the EU. And talking of the EU, do you honestly believe it will be around in more than name never mind 40 years but just ten from now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    And talking of the EU, do you honestly believe it will be around in more than name never mind 40 years but just ten from now?


    Nice little hedge, there.

    So, you reckon the European Parliament will be disbanded before 2030?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    it's been a convenient diversion from structural faults within the EU.
    Why diversion? People are quite capable of focussing on more than just little England

    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    do you honestly believe it will be around in more than name never mind 40 years but just ten from now?
    Yes. Believe it or not, the EU wasn't and isn't reliant on England by a long shot

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    Delusional thinking is the main determinant in Brexiteers formulating their conclusions and there it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Yes. Believe it or not, the EU wasn't and isn't reliant on England by a long shot
    Should that be the UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Should that be the UK?
    Nope . . . but you can add Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Why diversion? People are quite capable of focussing on more than just little England,



    Yes. Believe it or not, the EU wasn't and isn't reliant on England by a long shot
    I don’t think anyone suggested it ever was. The EU as an organisation is flawed and corrupt. It’s also unbalanced. The inherent flaws and continual drive toward federalization will result inevitably in failure.

    Fortunately the UK will no longer be a part of that downfall, and will bear no resonsibilty for the ultimate collapse.

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    Thank you

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    blue collars are there for one purpose, serve the elite

    under socialism, they get more right and their purpose is recognized as sacrifice for peace and economic development (see the international socialism ideals, a very beautiful idea)

    so Chass, by your own logic, the real people you really care for just voted for their slaughter by a ruling elite who is simply looking for their exploits

    you are either blind, or just not smart enough to see the dots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the real people you really care for


    You really haven't been following closely, have you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    blue collars are there for one purpose, serve the elite

    under socialism, they get more right and their purpose is recognized as sacrifice for peace and economic development (see the international socialism ideals, a very beautiful idea)

    so Chass, by your own logic, the real people you really care for just voted for their slaughter by a ruling elite who is simply looking for their exploits

    you are either blind, or just not smart enough to see the dots
    The French don’t bother with elections. They have prolonged riots instead. Shows how little you know.

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    To be fair, I quite like French. If they disagree with a law, they just ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The French don’t bother with elections. They have prolonged riots instead. Shows how little you know.
    and you failed to answer, as usual

    you obviously root for the exploitation of the workers by the elite, not very different from your accusations targeted to SeekingAss

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    Looks like France are insisting the EU negotiating stance is that the UK is closely aligned to the EU across a range of areas.

    WTO here we come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Looks like France are insisting the EU negotiating stance is that the UK is closely aligned to the EU across a range of areas.

    WTO here we come.
    Well what did you expect?
    That you would be able to make money out of exporting your american imported chlorinated chicken into EU?
    The same goes for gene manipulated beans.
    You'll be eating shit in the future but please keep it for yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Well what did you expect?

    You'll be eating shit in the future but please keep it to yourselves.
    Firstly it is exactly the expected outcome.

    Secondly, you do seem to get excited over all this, i can only apologise on behalf of whichever little englander did you wrong.

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