Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by PAG

I think you have it the wrong way round, it's the arrogance of the EU which will lead to it's own downfall. Of the 7 member states of the G7, 3 are currently outside the EU (US, Canada and Japan). The EU has now trade deals with Japan and Canada with no requirement for the "Four Freedoms", so seriously, what is the issue of having the same with the UK, other than seemingly bent on meting out punishment.

Are you seriously suggesting the UK has a trade deal with the EU similar to the one Canada has? You realise that it does not include services and the significant advantage of passporting rights. The UK has a trade surplus in services with the EU and that's where the money is. Any trade deal involving goods only is not going to help the UK as it runs a trade deficit.

The UK is batting on a very sticky wicket and May is going to have to concede more before October for the UK to maintain any economic growth in the near future.

Originally Posted by Troy

Are you seriously suggesting the UK has a trade deal with the EU similar to the one Canada has? You realise that it does not include services and the significant advantage of passporting rights. The UK has a trade surplus in services with the EU and that's where the money is. Any trade deal involving goods only is not going to help the UK as it runs a trade deficit.

The UK is batting on a very sticky wicket and May is going to have to concede more before October for the UK to maintain any economic growth in the near future.

May, or her successor is going to have to stop all concessions now that her white paper is dead in the water.
Time to do what Cameron should have done in the first place. Front up to the bullies at the EU with just two words.
NO DEAL.

Originally Posted by Troy

Are you seriously suggesting the UK has a trade deal with the EU similar to the one Canada has? You realise that it does not include services and the significant advantage of passporting rights. The UK has a trade surplus in services with the EU and that's where the money is. Any trade deal involving goods only is not going to help the UK as it runs a trade deficit.

The UK is batting on a very sticky wicket and May is going to have to concede more before October for the UK to maintain any economic growth in the near future.

Troy, you do realise that only goods, and not services, were included within the recently published white paper? There's been no wholesale abandonment of the UK from the main services players, only plans to set up small operations scattered around the EU to continue trading.

Forecasts are already for the UK's growth to stagnate or turn negative over the next couple of years, but the prize will be the ability to trade globally in the future.

And defaulting on legal payment is not exactly the best way to invite trade deals with the world. There is the chance that countries would rather trade with a bloc of many countries rather than a single one. It is time to revoke Article 50

Prag, Yes, I realise that the EU is offering no more than the Canadian deal to the UK, which is fair enough with the current red lines being imposed. That is why I am saying May needs to make more concessions and drop her red lines. The current offer is not a good deal for the UK and a whole lot worse than staying in.

BTW your percentages are for the EU trade outside the EU. Thegent's percentages are for EU total trade, outside and within the EU, which are the status quo figures.

Originally Posted by Troy

Prag, Yes, I realise that the EU is offering no more than the Canadian deal to the UK, which is fair enough with the current red lines being imposed. That is why I am saying May needs to make more concessions and drop her red lines. The current offer is not a good deal for the UK and a whole lot worse than staying in.

BTW your percentages are for the EU trade outside the EU. Thegent's percentages are for EU total trade, outside and within the EU, which are the status quo figures.

I'm not aware that the EU has made any kind of offer at all, with all proposals coming from the UK side only at the moment. Barnier is sticking to the 'divorce settlement' and NI solution first before entering into trade talks.

The %'s that I quoted were in relation to the EU's total GDP, and the % that the UK contributed to that total, nothing about trade outside the EU. The point I was making was that the UK is indeed a major player in global economics, and a far cry from the 'little Englander' approach from some in the EU Commission and their supporters in these pages.

On the subject of current EU FTA's, it's my understanding that as a priority, separate FTA's between these same third parties and the UK will seek to be agreed, and given that the UK is already in compliance with the requirements of these FTA's, it would appear to be whilst not a done deal by any means, relatively straight forward to equal the EU's benefit.

Blow it out your gormless ass, PAG.

Any FTA takes a minimum of three years between parties - Britain has no analogous status with a potential partner because of its legacy EU membership, you mofo. It'll start with scratch but believe me, dickhead, as most have already said there 's no way the British are going to do better or even equal the EU deals. Believe me the moment a third country offers Britain a better deal than the EU is the day that third country will get a shot across its bows. But, all that is just fucking academic, a fucking deal is merely a means to an end - Britain makes pretty much fuck all and as we have already seen when the £ fell out of bed and prices fell the export rate hardly increased a fucking percentage.

Global player, my arse. Its 9% manufacturing contribution to GDP is half of fucking Italy's and less than a third of Spain's whose current account deficit is negligible compared to broken pre-Brexit Britain's.

Britain was a coolie sweatshop owned by foreign companies using it as a platform for EU market penetration and a handy consumer honey pot of 65 millions happy to guzzle from the teat of entrenched welfare and to suck on credit cards to pay for it all. Now that's all gone.

Its financial services was the cream but they're fucked now as the axis of international finance and fund management shifts onto the Continent.

Britain is screwed, the world's pundits all forecast decades of shite and indifferent GDP growth, if any. Its a busted flush held by bankrupt snake oil salesmen drinking in the Last Chance Saloon on the road to perdition.

Bon voyage dopey.

When the next generation of children want to know why they're all as poor as fucking Mexicans you can tell them it was because 17.6 million tosspots and intellectual pygmies combined on one day to fuck Britain in the ass.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

The EU should not bend the rules just to make one country happy

I await evidence of such a move.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

When the next generation of children want to know why they're all as poor as fucking Mexicans

We in the US will have to build another fucking wall. No problem. The Brits will pay for it.

Originally Posted by Norton

We in the US will have to build another fucking wall. No problem. The Brits will pay for it.

Norton, tone down the gratuitous profanity, old chap, it's not necessary.

I wonder if Eurotunnel will shutdown over this ? this seems to be the only logical step after Brexit

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

fucked

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

fucking

Ok...

Prag, The EU published its post brexit fta proposal on 7 March. It pretty much dismissed the ideas being put forward at the time by the UK, which is why the Chequer's white paper is so weak and is still not enough to meet EU approval.

Meanwhile the withdrawal agreement needs the last 20% signed off. The UK capitulated on 80% so far and no doubt will cede to the remainder by the autumn.

The whole brexit episode has been a national embarrassment. Its only redeeming feature is that it is so futile it's laughable.

the UK has been exposed as the expensive arrogant fraud that it is

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

There is no credible economic evidence to sustain the Brexit lie that Britain will secure better global trading than that obtained through the EU.

Britain has increased its trade with South Korea exponentially since the EU secured an FTA with it back in 2015. How are you going to better that. Ireland's largest single trading partner is already the US. Any third world, emerging market nation can trade with the EU, tariff free, excluding arms, and provided it conforms to health and safety standards.

Your beliefs are no more credible than the notion that the moon is a spirit or those of a Nazi in Munich believing he has been held back by the Jews.

It's propaganda.

Fair points, and readable.

I see Juncker and Trump are very upbeat about free trade between the EU and the US.

No, there aren’t any facts yet...agreed.

The wording of my post reflects that.

There was next to nothing upbeat from the UK visit though, so that’s a contrast.

Oh...correction. He liked his golf course.

An expert on the WTO talks to James O’Brien.

So much for the special relationship...

The UK could ask Trump to negotiate a Brexit deal.

I think he proposed already, no joke

anyway, all quiet on the Brexshit front, something must be cooking

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think he proposed already, no joke

anyway, all quiet on the Brexshit front, something must be cooking

Both sides are on summer break you fucking moron. F F S how long do we have to put up with the Belgian troll on this thread?

You'd Think they'd forget there summer break considering Armageddon is supposed to be just around the corner.