Thread: Secular Turkiye, fallen?

Turks elect ex-Islamist president


Turkey's controversial Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has been sworn in as the country's new president.

He is the first politician with an Islamist background to become head of state since the creation of the deeply secular Turkish Republic in 1923.

Mr Gul used to belong to an Islamist party, and his candidacy split Turkey for months, inspiring street protests and forcing an early general election.

Turkey's military and secular establishment suspect he might harbour a secret Islamist agenda.

Turkey's military chief warned on Monday that "centres of evil" were trying to undermine the state.

Let preparations for a Holy War commence. On the positive side, should Turkiye go all Islamic, the EU would no doubt chuck out their application for membership. Why the hell the EU are even considering admitting a semi-dictatorship join is beyond me anyway (ah yes, their soil is useful as a military base for warring with the ME). This isn't what the EU community was supposed to be about, letting muslim countries in, we have to draw the line somewhere, don't we?

I very much doubt Turkey is going Islamic, or that Gul has a secret agenda.
The protests were about political opponents trying to drum up support by the tried and tested method of stirring up a bit of mass hysteria.

The usual response of western 'democracies'. Every election in the Islamic world (in fact, everywhere outside the west) is greeted with the same response: "Of course poor little brown people can experience the joys of democracy and elect anyone they like. But it fucking better well be someone we approve of or we'll bomb the shit out of them." Ah, the beauties of civilization. How lucky we are to be living in this, the best of all possible worlds.

Should it be any wonder having a former Islamist as head of state in Turkey is problematic?
Given the tolerant magnanimity of most Islamic governments.
Islam is unfortunately showing itself to be a religion of fanaticism, intolerance and violence.
Perhaps Turkey can show a different side of Islam as Malaysia generally does.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Should it be any wonder having a former Islamist as head of state in Turkey is problematic? Given the tolerant magnanimity of most Islamic governments. Islam is unfortunately showing itself to be a religion of fanaticism, intolerance and violence. Perhaps Turkey can show a different side of Islam as Malaysia generally does.

Get a grip. You're talking about a former Islamist and a single man, not an entire government. You have an ex-alcoholic, born-again-Christian as the head of the US. And he has invoked gods name to illegally atack other countries. So you might want to stow the talk of "fanaticism, intolernace and violence". Of the two who is the more dangerous?

Scaremongering over Islam is the new 'reds under the bed' McCarthyism.

Originally Posted by FatBoyEric

Turks elect ex-Islamist president


Turkey's controversial Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has been sworn in as the country's new president.

He is the first politician with an Islamist background to become head of state since the creation of the deeply secular Turkish Republic in 1923.

Mr Gul used to belong to an Islamist party, and his candidacy split Turkey for months, inspiring street protests and forcing an early general election.

Turkey's military and secular establishment suspect he might harbour a secret Islamist agenda.

Turkey's military chief warned on Monday that "centres of evil" were trying to undermine the state.

Let preparations for a Holy War commence. On the positive side, should Turkiye go all Islamic, the EU would no doubt chuck out their application for membership. Why the hell the EU are even considering admitting a semi-dictatorship join is beyond me anyway (ah yes, their soil is useful as a military base for warring with the ME). This isn't what the EU community was supposed to be about, letting muslim countries in, we have to draw the line somewhere, don't we?

I am having difficulty here deciding whether you are an ignorant racist fuck or just an ignorant fuck.

Turkey IS an overwhelmingly Islamic state in as much as Thailand is a Bhuddist state ie 90+ percent of the population swing that way. They also have , thanks to Attaturk , a RIGID secular constitution. And a strong military who will not tolerate anyone messing with that secularism. There have also been street demonstrations by Turkish citizens who are suspicious of this guy.

Your post seems to be less concerned with whether currents events in Turkey lead to them swinging towards fundamentalism than simply abusing them "coz there fuggin ayrabs innit , wogs !".

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Get a grip. You're talking about a former Islamist and a single man, not an entire government.

I guess the part where he won the election escapes you!

You have an ex-alcoholic, born-again-Christian as the head of the US. And he has invoked gods name to illegally atack other countries. So you might want to stow the talk of "fanaticism, intolernace and violence". Of the two who is the more dangerous?

It seems like news is a bit slow to get to your little corner of the world! Alqueada, the Taliban, and Islamic fundamentalists attacked the USA and declared war!

Scaremongering over Islam is the new 'reds under the bed' McCarthyism.

You must subscribe to the various conspiracy theories about 9/11/01! Scary!

You must subscribe to the various conspiracy theories about 9/11/01! Scary!

Yes, it is scary that supposedly intelligent posters still cling to the conspiracy theory about "19 Arabs with box cutters..." - seven of which, incidently, have been proven conclusively to be still alive - attacked the US and declared war.

^ I suppose it surprises you these hijackers might have disguised their identities! Hence we may never know who some really were.

We do know who gave the order.

WASHINGTON — Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.

Injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential election, bin Laden said the United States can avoid another Sept. 11-style attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.

In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the Al Qaeda (search) leader refrained from directly warning of new attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security."

Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^ I suppose it surprises you these hijackers might have disguised their identities! Hence we may never know who some really were.

We do know who gave the order.

WASHINGTON — Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.

Injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential election, bin Laden said the United States can avoid another Sept. 11-style attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.

In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the Al Qaeda (search) leader refrained from directly warning of new attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security."

Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

Link to this peace of news please.
As I know he only praised the attackers is all. He never admitted masterminding it.

Are you suggesting Islamist fanaticism wasn't behind 9/11/01?
Or are you trying to lead us down the tired conspiracy trash trail?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Perhaps Turkey can show a different side of Islam as Malaysia generally does.

Turkey has been doing precisely that since the time of Ataturk.

Turkey has been controlled by crypto jews for at least 100 years.

^Kerux, how we've missed you! Good to see you back on form

I have the high privilege of being the only poster on TD with a negative rep.




Welcomed by others too.

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In a similar topic vein, did ya hear that Abe Foxman is a holocaust denier? He denies that the Young Turks were responsible for the genocide of over a million Armenians. Too bad there isn't a hate crime law against denying that real holocaust. We could put Foxman in a cell next to Zundel.

Originally Posted by kerux

I have the high privilege of being the only poster on TD with a negative rep.

Don't flatter yourself. Yellowtrip & Hunter have too. I'm sure there may be a few other retards in the group also. Have a look under 'Members List' and see who you share the padded cell with.

Well, I stand corrected. Thanks for noticing such things. I guess someone has to.

I'm not here to win a popularity contest. I like to express reality as I see it and many here are in denial and would love to shoot the messenger.

Originally Posted by kerux

I like to express reality as I see it and many here are in denial and would love to shoot the messenger.

Is your name Mohammed, by any chance?

Originally Posted by NathairCeann

Originally Posted by FatBoyEric

Turks elect ex-Islamist president


Turkey's controversial Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has been sworn in as the country's new president.

He is the first politician with an Islamist background to become head of state since the creation of the deeply secular Turkish Republic in 1923.

Mr Gul used to belong to an Islamist party, and his candidacy split Turkey for months, inspiring street protests and forcing an early general election.

Turkey's military and secular establishment suspect he might harbour a secret Islamist agenda.

Turkey's military chief warned on Monday that "centres of evil" were trying to undermine the state.

Let preparations for a Holy War commence. On the positive side, should Turkiye go all Islamic, the EU would no doubt chuck out their application for membership. Why the hell the EU are even considering admitting a semi-dictatorship join is beyond me anyway (ah yes, their soil is useful as a military base for warring with the ME). This isn't what the EU community was supposed to be about, letting muslim countries in, we have to draw the line somewhere, don't we?

I am having difficulty here deciding whether you are an ignorant racist fuck or just an ignorant fuck.

Turkey IS an overwhelmingly Islamic state in as much as Thailand is a Bhuddist state ie 90+ percent of the population swing that way. They also have , thanks to Attaturk , a RIGID secular constitution. And a strong military who will not tolerate anyone messing with that secularism. There have also been street demonstrations by Turkish citizens who are suspicious of this guy.

Your post seems to be less concerned with whether currents events in Turkey lead to them swinging towards fundamentalism than simply abusing them "coz there fuggin ayrabs innit , wogs !".

I hope it does lead to them swinging towards fundamentalism, don't want them in the EU.

I also abhor a country where the military are so strong that they can dictate politics as & when the see fit.

[quote=FatBoyEric;384192]

Originally Posted by NathairCeann

I also abhor a country where the military are so strong that they can dictate politics as & when the see fit.

Hopefully you do not live in Thailand then.