Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Not really.

But, yes, really... the 6,650 "results" concerning Mueller's uhm... "witch hunt" speaks volumes concerning the absolute passion of the die hard hardliner dems. Well, no smoking gun, no indictment, The Donald, Donald Jr., Ivanka, Jared ain't outfitted in stripes and matching handcuffs.

Stormy didn't pan out, Comey didn't pan out, Russia didn't pan out, Mueller didn't pan out, oh shit, hmm... how 'bout tax returns... yup, tax returns, completed by top line tax attorneys and CPA's, just ain't gonna pan out either.

Oh well, gotta prep for the worse... four more of Trump followed by eight of Pence...

But of course, the dems are putting their best foot forward - perhaps a Beto & AOC ticket?

Originally Posted by bowie

ut, yes, really... the 6,650 "results" concerning Mueller's uhm... "witch hunt" speaks volumes concerning the absolute passion of the die hard hardliner dems. Well, no smoking gun, no indictment, The Donald, Donald Jr., Ivanka, Jared ain't outfitted in stripes and matching handcuffs.

Would it be better at this point to call it the Burr report.....you know, the guy that advertised for his position by saying the report couldn't accuse the president of a crime?

Originally Posted by CSFFan

call it the Burr report

or, perhaps, the US Attorney General's Report.

now... from an earlier post -

Who does the Attorney General speak for? Well, the Attorney General is the boss man of the Department of Justice, in fact he is the Top Cop, our countries highest law enforcement officer. He is the US Governments Attorney – so, he speaks for the United States Department of Justice.

And, his (The Attorney General's Report) says...

Originally Posted by bowie

how 'bout tax returns... yup, tax returns, completed by top line tax attorneys and CPA's, just ain't gonna pan out either.

the interest in obtaining his tax returns is not related to whether or not they were completed correctly. it's about whether or not he is subject to undue influence by a foreign country.

he has said repeatedly that he has had no business with russia....yet nearly every foreign policy decision he makes is exactly what putin would want him to do. congress has the constitutional responsibility of oversight, and that is what they are doing by going after his tax returns.

and btw, his reluctance to release them may have something to do with his net worth being in the millions and not billions.

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's about whether or not he is subject to undue influence by a foreign country.

Originally Posted by bowie

Yet, everyone is subject to influence - part of human nature, as is bias and prejudice, if you have an opinion it is subject to your past experiences and does change over time.

whether intentional or otherwise, you missed the most important word in the sentence...."undue".

undue influence.

Originally Posted by bowie

"Criminal Intent" - subjective, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, as guilty as OJ or Bill Clinton... or, perhaps Smollett?

beyond a reasonable doubt - in the USA criminal justice system it is a far greater crime to send an innocent to jail then it is to let a criminal walk.

no idea what you're on about...and i'd guess neither do you.

Originally Posted by raycarey

the interest in obtaining his tax returns is not related to whether or not they were completed correctly. it's about whether or not he is subject to undue influence by a foreign country.

he has said repeatedly that he has had no business with russia....yet nearly every foreign policy decision he makes is exactly what putin would want him to do. congress has the constitutional responsibility of oversight, and that is what they are doing by going after his tax returns.

and btw, his reluctance to release them may have something to do with his net worth being in the millions and not billions.

last time I checked, when filing your tax return, there is no section to explicit explain where are the source of your income and if you have to report the country of origin for those incomes, or foreign incomes with explicit countries being listed

Originally Posted by raycarey

undue influence.

semantics - grasping at straws, there's nothing there, two plus years and we've scraped the bottom of the barrel. If there was anything of substance Mueller would have prosecuted. Case Closed. Regardless of the discomfort, just gonna hafta get used to POTUS Trump.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

last time I checked, when filing your tax return, there is no section to explicit explain where are the source of your income and if you have to report the country of origin for those incomes, or foreign incomes with explicit countries being listed

"loans and other financial entanglements"




and btw, NY state is about to pass a law that would permit the release of his state return....which would be very similar to his federal return because most of his operations are located in NY.

and eventually someone in the treasury dept. is going to leak his federal returns.....it's inevitable.

Originally Posted by bowie

semantics

sure.

Originally Posted by bowie

there's nothing there

we'll see.

Originally Posted by bowie

If there was anything of substance Mueller would have prosecuted

when the house subpoenas him, that information will be revealed.

Originally Posted by bowie

just gonna hafta get used to POTUS Trump.

originally i supported the idea of impeachment....but i changed my opinion a few months ago. the only way to purge him from our collective system is through an election. if he were to be removed from office any other way, then he would be running an oval office "in exile" in trump tower via tweet. it would be chaos.

and for those who think he's going to get re-elected...keep in mind that he won the electoral college because of less than 80,000 votes in MI, WI, and PA. those states voted strongly democrat in the most recent midterm and there is every indication that it will be even stronger in 2020. many democrats stayed home on election day 2016 because they were sure clinton was going to win (and they didn't like her). those same people aren't going to make the same mistake in 2020. you can bet that the non-trump voters in those three states are going to show up at the polls in much greater numbers. and as far as independents are concerned, there is an undeniable trump fatigue....it's too much drama....people are tired of him. this reality show is going to be cancelled.

after he leaves office in january 2021 he'll face the myriad crimes related to his businesses, inauguration, foundation, etc...

Originally Posted by raycarey

after he leaves office in january 2021 he'll face the myriad crimes related to his businesses, inauguration, foundation, etc...

Well, pretty much past the point of caring. Yet, some points of order - the "statute of limitations" - lawyers will have a field day charging taxpayers to instigate charges, lawsuits, etc. post the applicable statute of limitations


https://www.bayarea-attorney.com/fed...of-limitations

What is the Statute of Limitations for Federal Crimes?
The statute of limitations is the time limit for filing charges against the defendant. The general federal statute of limitations for felonies stand for the proposition that the government can no longer file criminal charges for an offense once 5 years has passed. The federal statute of limitations is 18 USC 3282. This statue states:
Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any offense, not capital, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within five years next after such offense shall have been committed.

Originally Posted by raycarey

and btw, NY state is about to pass a law that would permit the release of his state return...

https://criminal.findlaw.com/crimina...mitations.html

NEW YORK

Crim. Proc. 30.10

Murder, rape, Class A felonies: none; others: 5 yrs.; violation of collection, treatment, disposal of refuse and solid waste: 4 yrs.; breach of fiduciary duty: within 1 yr. of discovery of offense; official misconduct: 5 yrs. of offense

2 yrs.; petty offenses: 1 yr.; tax law misdemeanor: 3 yrs. (NY City adm. code)

Absent state or whereabouts unknown: up to 5 yrs.

oh well...

^
are you being deliberately obtuse or does it just come naturally?

the point of acquiring his tax returns is to determine if he is under undue influence of a foreign power.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) is throwing his support behind efforts in the state legislature to obtain President Trump's tax returns.


Legislation was introduced Monday by state Sen. Brad Hoylman (D) that would enable the New York Department of Taxation and Finance to release any individual's tax returns if they are requested by certain congressional committees.


Richard Azzopardi, a senior adviser to Cuomo, told the New York Times that Cuomo supports the bill "as long as it applies to everybody."


A New York state senator told the Times that the bill will likely be debated this week by Democrats in the chamber and could be passed after the upcoming recess that ends April 29.


David Buchwald, an assemblyman who supports the legislation, told the Times that he feels it "is incumbent upon us" to make sure the public has access to Trump's taxes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mp-tax-returns

hmm...

Originally Posted by raycarey

the point of acquiring his tax returns is to instigate a state level witch hunt into collusion with a foreign power.

FTFY

Actually I think it might be to see if he lied about his asset values to evade tax.

Criminals have been jailed for that shit before you know.

Christ, imagine him in the dock being grilled.
Considering he considers himself above that sort of thing I would love to see it.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

last time I checked, when filing your tax return, there is no section to explicit explain where are the source of your income and if you have to report the country of origin for those incomes, or foreign incomes with explicit countries being listed

The source of income is relevant. A tax payer can not have millions of unexplained dollars coming in. Al Capone was not jailed for murder or alcohol violations, he was charged and convicted on tax evasion charges.

Originally Posted by bowie

If there was anything of substance Mueller would have prosecuted.

It's not up to Mueller to prosecute. He hands his findings to a District Attorney or the AG, who decides to prosecute or not. Barr is an unsuitable prosecuter.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Christ, imagine him in the dock being grilled.
Considering he considers himself above that sort of thing I would love to see it.

Things I'd like to see: 1. Peepee tapes. 2. Trump in the dock facing serious charges.

You just know he'd automatically be himself, that is, he'd prevaricate and go very close to the line of lying, until the judge would finally get sick of it all and reprimand him.

All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation

The investigation is now complete.

By Andrew Prokop[email protected] Updated Mar 22, 2019, 6:23pm EDT

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is now complete.

That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.

If you also count investigations that Mueller originated but then referred elsewhere in the Justice Department, you can add a plea deal from one more person to the list.

It’s a sprawling set of allegations, encompassing both election interference charges against overseas Russians, and various other crimes by American Trump advisers.

However, Mueller did not allege any crimes directly connecting the two — that is, that Trump advisers criminally conspired with Russian officials to impact the election.

Other reported focuses of Mueller’s investigation — such as potential obstruction of justice by the Trump administration — also did not result in any charges.

Justice Department officials told reporters Friday that this is the final list, and that no more indictments are coming from the special counsel’s probe.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The source of income is relevant. A tax payer can not have millions of unexplained dollars coming in. Al Capone was not jailed for murder or alcohol violations, he was charged and convicted on tax evasion charges.
It's not up to Mueller to prosecute. He hands his findings to a District Attorney or the AG, who decides to prosecute or not. Barr is an unsuitable prosecuter.

You are are correct about prosecuting not being in Muellers pay grade but indicting is and Mueller himself said no more indictments.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Things I'd like to see: 1. Peepee tapes. 2. Trump in the dock facing serious charges.

You just know he'd automatically be himself, that is, he'd prevaricate and go very close to the line of lying, until the judge would finally get sick of it all and reprimand him.

Too bad bad you will never see that eh.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You are are correct about prosecuting not being in Muellers pay grade but indicting is and Mueller himself said no more indictments.

Which does not mean there won't be more indictments. Investigations started by Mueller are still underway.

Of course the issue is whether or not baldy orange cunto's AG lapdog will use this as an excuse to redact things he shouldn't.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Mueller himself said no more indictments.

Can't indict a sitting president, can he. That's what impeachment is for.

Putin talks Mueller probe, US-Russia relations & polar bears at Arctic forum
Describing Robert Mueller’s probe as “nonsense,”


Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow will work with the US no matter who wins in 2020. He also brought up the plight of polar bears as US and Russia face off in the Arctic.

“A mountain that has brought forth a mouse,” is the metaphor Putin used at the Arctic Forum in St. Petersburg on Tuesday, to describe the two-year investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that sought evidence of conspiracy or collusion between US President Donald Trump and Russia, but failed to find any.

The probe was a “complete nonsense, only aimed at a domestic audience” in the US, the Russian leader told the moderator, Bloomberg’s John Fraher. The unsubstantiated accusations against Trump revealed a “crisis” in the American political system, where the elites are divided and “party interests are put ahead of those of the nation and society,” Putin pointed out.

Pointing out how media attacks on the US president continued despite the Mueller probe’s futility, Putin expressed hope that the “witch hunt” won’t be a repeat of what he called a “dark page” in US history. He left unspecified whether he was referring to the 17th century Salem witch trials, or the frantic search for alleged Communist agents led by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s.

Russia will work with whoever wins 2020
When asked if Moscow was interested in Trump’s re-election in 2020, the Russian leader replied that “it has nothing to do with us” and that Russia “respects the choice of the American people and is eager to work with whoever becomes president.”

It is regrettable that relations between Moscow and Washington have become hostage to internal political games in the US, Putin added, but again underlined Russia’s willingness to work together with Washington on important issues – once the US was ready.

“I think all sides are interested in this. As soon as the right conditions [in the US] present themselves, we’ll start working,” Putin said, bringing up “terrorism, epidemics, ecology and arms control” as the areas in which cooperation between the two countries would be essential.

https://www.rt.com/news/456062-putin...mueller-trump/

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Actually I think it might be to see if he lied about his asset values to evade tax.

Criminals have been jailed for that shit before you know.

more like it, don't see him listing the true origins of his loans, above all if they come from offshore setup with Russians

Assange..... I wonder who gets to interview him and offer him a deal?