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    ...clever retaliation against tRump tariffs by affected economies is becoming apparent...good!

    Can the GOP Survive a Trade War?

    The economic effects will have political consequences for Republicans at every level of government.
    By Joshua Green
    July 13, 2018, 3:00 PM GMT+7





    On July 6, Donald Trump carried out his vow to slap tariffs on $34 billion worth of Chinese goods, and China immediately reciprocated by penalizing U.S. imports, from soybeans to Teslas. The European Union, Canada, and Mexico also imposed retaliatory levies in response to Trump’s provocations. Four days later, he escalated the feud, threatening tariffs on an additional $200 billion in Chinese products, including auto parts, refrigerators, and electronics, as well as baseball gloves and handbags. The global trade war is on.

    Trump says trade wars are “easy to win.” Economists think differently, although most expect the U.S. to emerge without serious damage. A bigger question is: Will Republicans? That will depend on the scale of the conflict and the damage it causes U.S. companies and workers. Early signs are ominous. Trump alarmed GOP lawmakers on July 5 by threatening to impose tariffs on all $500 billion of Chinese goods imported to the U.S. “Members hate what the president is doing,” says a former Republican leadership aide. “None of them thinks this is a good idea.”

    Maximalist threats are the foundation of Trump’s approach to governing. He’s betting that when he menaces trade partners around the globe, they’ll be forced to capitulate to his will—and the greater the threat, the larger the eventual foreign concessions will be. “No president before Trump would dare threaten China with half a trillion dollars in tariffs,” says Steve Bannon, the former White House chief strategist and an early architect of Trump’s “America First” trade policies. “He’s laid his six-guns on the table, and there’s bullets in every chamber.”

    Trump’s decision to start a trade war four months before the midterm elections carries a heavy risk for his party because many of his most loyal followers will bear the brunt of the fallout. This wasn’t the case with his major actions before now. The crackdown on refugees and immigrants didn’t hurt the white, blue-collar voters who make up the core of his support. And although they got little benefit from his tax cut, aimed primarily at corporations and the wealthy, neither were they directly penalized.

    The Front Lines of the Trade War

    Data: U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Department of Agriculture, U.S. Energy Information Administration, Data Transmission Network, Center for Automotive Research, BMW Group, Daimler (see link for chart)

    Trade is different. The bulk of punitive tariffs from around the globe falls heavily on Farm Belt and Rust Belt states that went for Trump. Many of the new measures are designed, with almost surgical precision, to harm his supporters. Of the 30 congressional districts hit hardest by Chinese tariffs on U.S. soybeans, 25 are represented by Republicans, five by Democrats—but all 30 voted for Trump.
    Canada, Mexico, and the EU have targeted specific Republican politicians, including House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, by pinpointing items such as cheese, Harley-Davidson motorcycles, and whiskey that are produced in their states and districts. Rank-and-file members and their constituents won’t be spared economic pain either. U.S. Census Bureau data show that the states whose economies are more dependent on exports—and thus most exposed to foreign retaliation—skewed Republican in 2016.

    Trump and his party may already be experiencing early tremors. While it doesn’t get much attention, the president’s net approval rating in Morning Consult’s monthly surveys has fallen almost as much in deep-red, agriculture-heavy states such as Kentucky (down 21 percent), Montana (21 percent), and Oklahoma (25 percent), as it has in the bright-blue coastal states of California (15 percent), Rhode Island (21 percent), and Massachusetts (22 percent). “Trump is underperforming in ag states,” says Jennifer Duffy, who tracks Senate and governor races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. “In places like North Dakota and Nebraska, which he won by double-digit margin, he’s now barely above 50 percent approval, and in Iowa, which he won by 9 points, he’s well below that, at 44 percent.”


    Where Tariffs Will Hit Hardest


    U.S.-made product categories targeted by foreign tariffs, as measured by 2017 export sales to the relevant trading partner (see link for chart)

    Data: U.S. Census Bureau

    Economists warn that Trump’s trade war will cause prices to rise for U.S. consumers and hurt U.S. companies that import intermediate goods such as semiconductors. But while the macro effect of the new foreign tariffs so far looks to be limited, their impact will be keenly felt by specific industries and businessesaround the country, many of them large employers critical to state economies, and as a result will be certain to cause political disruption.
    That spells trouble in the Farm Belt, where agricultural staples have been hit by tariffs. U.S. farmers are already dealing with lower prices for corn and wheat. Total farm profits are at their lowest level since 2006, falling from $123 billion in 2013 to less than $60 billion this year as forecast by the government by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Making U.S. agricultural exports less competitive in some of their largest foreign markets will only worsen matters.
    Coastal states will also suffer. In Alaska, the world’s top supplier of wild-caught salmon, new Chinese seafood tariffs could cut income for the state’s 16,000 commercial fishermen and harm its largest manufacturing sector, seafood processing. In Maine, those tariffs are costing lobstermen business that’s moving to Canada, while steel tariffs have made their lobster traps more expensive. Florida’s boating industry will be slowed by taxes on motorboats imposed by Canada, the EU, and Mexico.

    States with large automotive industries are also in the crosshairs, including a swath of the country from Michigan to Mississippi where foreign carmakers have built some of the biggest plants in the U.S. Many of the vehicles those plants produce are shipped overseas. In Alabama, Daimler AG’s Tuscaloosa plant exports more than 70 percent of the Mercedes-Benz SUVs it produces. Automakers are also major regional employers. South Carolina’s BMW AG plant in Spartanburg, with 10,000 workers, sits atop a sprawling network of 235 American suppliers and is responsible for most of the U.S.-produced cars sent to China.

    Kentucky and Tennessee, home to the U.S. whiskey industry, are targeted by the four largest U.S. trading partners: Canada, China, the EU, and Mexico. And along the Gulf Coast, which accounts for 80 percent of U.S. crude exports, tariffs will hit local economies from Gulfport, Miss., to Houston. Since Congress lifted the ban on U.S. oil exports in 2015, foreign demand has helped the domestic oil industry recover from recent low prices. New tariffs could make U.S. crude less competitive and slow the double-digit growth in exports.

    The impact of this global retaliation is spread wide enough that even Republicans in safe seats have cause for concern. Not only do Trump’s actions offend GOP lawmakers’ free-market principles, their political costs are also difficult to gauge, because he hasn’t explained when or on what terms he’s willing to bring hostilities to a close.

    In the meantime, GOP strategists say they’ll have a harder time beating back Democratic challengers in Senate races in Tennessee, Arizona, and Nevada, where a business-friendly message has long been the basis of Republicans’ appeal. They’ll also have a tougher time knocking off vulnerable Democratic senators in North Dakota, Montana, and Missouri. “The places where members are most concerned are states where it’s effectively a one-industry economy,” says a Republican strategist who requested anonymity to share internal party fears. Trump and some of his top trade advisers are willing to bear these costs, because they believe the showdown will eventually create domestic manufacturing jobs that will benefit the president’s working-class base. But most other Republicans recognize that many of those same workers will be among the first to suffer now that tariffs have started to bite. “It’s stupid policy,” Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse complained publicly in March, “but he has the authority.” Even Trump’s staunchest defenders don’t pretend that U.S. workers won’t get caught in the crossfire. “This is not going to be without some perturbations,” Bannon concedes. “Trump never promised otherwise.” With threats escalating and Trump showing no sign he’ll back down, events could get out of hand. In early July, China’s Ministry of Commerce accused the U.S. of igniting “the largest trade war in economic history.” A March report from Bloomberg Economics estimated that a full-blown trade war, in which the U.S. raises import costs by 10 percent and is met with similar retaliation, would hurt global gross domestic product by $470 billion—roughly the size of Thailand’s economy.
    Trouble in Trump Country

    Decline in Trump’s net approval rating since January 2017 (see link for chart)

    The political fallout would be commensurate. A Peterson Institute for International Economics study found that such a scenario would cause a 2- to 3-percentage-point rise in the U.S. jobless rate, a plunge in asset prices, and disruption of supply chains and productivity. Even actions short of an all-out trade war would create huge disruptions. In a July 2 interview with Fox News, Trump, previewing what he planned to tell foreign leaders at the NATO summit, threatened what he called “the big one”—a global tariff on imported cars and trucks. Last year the U.S. imported $192 billion in vehicles and an additional $143 billion in auto parts. “The imposition of high tariffs on U.S. auto imports would represent an existential threat to Nafta,” Brian Coulton, chief economist at Fitch Ratings Inc.,
    warned in a research note.

    Caught between their fear of challenging the president and their desire to protect constituents, Trump supporters in Congress are playing for time. “What I’m saying to constituents is, give President Trump some room,” Republican Representative Steve King, whose Iowa district contains 18,000 soybean farms, told the Washington Post on July 9. “Give him some room to freely negotiate here, and let’s see how it comes out. Don’t undercut the president and take the leverage away.”
    But as the impact of retaliatory tariffs grinds its way through local economies in states across the country, it won’t be Trump who has to show up at town hall meetings and answer questions from angry voters. The longer the trade war goes on, the larger the backlash is likely to be. The question that will preoccupy Republican politicians is how long they’ll have to endure it.

    BOTTOM LINE - Trump’s trade war threatens to upend local economies across the U.S. and cause headaches for Republican candidates up and down the ballot this fall.

    ...for charts and graphs:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-13/can-the-gop-survive-a-trade-war

    Last edited by tomcat; 16-07-2018 at 07:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    BOTTOM LINE - Trump’s trade war threatens to upend local economies across the U.S. and cause headaches for Republican candidates up and down the ballot this fall.
    Good news for November.

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    ^...exactly...

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    Trump said that if elected, he would "rarely leave the White House because there's so much work to be done." "I would not be a president who took vacations," he said. "I would not be a president that takes time off."

    "I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf."



    Trump Golf Count: 121
    Estimated Cost to Taxpayers: $69,188,958


    Suppose it's a good thing him and his supporters didn't make a big deal over Obama golfing... Oh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Trump Golf Count: 121
    Estimated Cost to Taxpayers: $69,188,958
    Wonder how much of that is for over priced room and board for his SS detail staying at trumpland

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    I'm quite certain that all the GOPers who had heart palpitations, conniptions, and swooning fainting sessions over each and every one of Obama's rounds of golf will know the answer to that down to the nickel.

    Oh wait no they won't. Because hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Wonder how much of that is for over priced room and board for his SS detail staying at trumpland
    And Golf Cart rental, which is probably at a "special" rate.

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    Term average to date 39% Jan 20, 2017-present
    High point, weekly average 45% Jan 20-29, 2017, and Jun 11-17, 2018
    Low point, weekly average 35% four times, last on Dec 11-17, 2017


    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/...ald-trump.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I imagine the Royal household won't let that snub go unpunished. In some passive aggressive way they'll get him back.
    What did the Royal household do to Jackie Kennedy as she insulted the Queen and all and all was 100% worse than Trump? One would think Trump should get an award for treating her so much better than the Kennedy's. You do know that the funding for the IRA came primarily from the USA so there is not a lot of love lost there I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    What did the Royal household do to Jackie Kennedy as she insulted the Queen and all and all was 100% worse than Trump? One would think Trump should get an award for treating her so much better than the Kennedy's. You do know that the funding for the IRA came primarily from the USA so there is not a lot of love lost there I guess.
    That's quite the Whataboutism coupled with the non sequitur half-pike there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Yet, now, irrefutable proof exists that agents sought to create pressure to get “derogatory” information and a “pretext” to interview people close to a future president they didn’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    In one particular message, when Page asked if Trump would ever become president, Strzok reportedly replied, “No. No he won't. We'll stop it.”
    Still pushing this nonsense. Those messages where personal text messages. I and many of my friends said similar things to one another many times before the election. I think this quote destroys your right wing conspiratorial tin foil nonsense....

    I can assure you, Mr. Chairman, at no time in any of these texts did those personal beliefs ever enter into the realm of any action I took. Furthermore, this isn’t just me sitting here telling you. You don’t have to take my word for it. At every step, at every investigative decision, there are multiple layers of people above me—the assistant director, executive assistant director, deputy director, and director of the F.B.I.—and multiple layers of people below me—section chiefs, supervisors, unit chiefs, case agents and analysts—all of whom were involved in all of these decisions.

    They would not tolerate any improper behavior in me any more than I would tolerate it in them. That is who we are as the F.B.I. And the suggestion that I and some dark chamber somewhere in the F.B.I. would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards, and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me. It simply couldn’t happen. And the proposition that is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the F.B.I., deeply corrodes what the F.B.I. is in American society, the effectiveness of their mission, and it is deeply destructive.”
    Simply put is would be impossible for the FBI to do what you and your right wing propagandists are trying to claim it could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Are you mentally ill?



    Can you prove that? Like with links and stuff? I will be waiting.



    Like I said are you mentally ill?
    That's an easy one. Mrs. Clinton said Comey caused her to lose the election. Compare the audience and source. Comey prime time TV and director of the FBI said anyone else except Mrs. Clninto would have been prosecuted. Take it to the bank. She believes it and so do I and so does Bill. The Director of the FBI caused Trump to win the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Did you watch it? You need to watch the press conference starting at about 1:57 to hear the words from Trumps own mouth to realise what an odious clown he is.
    For some reason you don't think I believe Trump is a "jamoke." I don't know Trump. From all i can see and hear I would not like the man. I do know Mrs. Clinton. I really know I don't like her. I worked in Arkansas when her and Bill were the big wheels in Little Rock and I don't like the woman. I had to pick the lesser of two evils. I believe that is called a dilemma. Most Americans did. Too bad. Trump didn't think he was going to get elected either. He knows he is a jerk but he underestimated how Americans really don't like Mrs. Clinton.


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    This is your brain:



    This is your brain on a steady stream of Trump Twatter Bullshit and Fox Fake News:

    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    That's an easy one. Mrs. Clinton said Comey caused her to lose the election. Compare the audience and source. Comey prime time TV and director of the FBI said anyone else except Mrs. Clninto would have been prosecuted. Take it to the bank. She believes it and so do I and so does Bill. The Director of the FBI caused Trump to win the election.
    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    Most Americans did
    No they didn't.

    You keep repeating falsities and easily disproved 'alternative facts'.

    That doesn't say much for either your integrity or intelligence.

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    ^^^ You seriously think Trump is the LESSER of the two evils???

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    And in China:


    FUYANG (CHINA) - As the China-US trade war rages, a factory set amid corn and mulberry fields in central China stitches together US and "Trump 2020" flags -- and business is good.

    The US and China have slapped tariffs on billions of dollars worth of each other's goods, but there is little evidence of the dispute at the Jiahao Flag Company in Anhui province.
    Instead, as a dozen sample flags flutter outside the factory building, workers bustle and sewing machines buzz inside amid a profusion of colour from the factory's wares.


    They include a current hot-seller -- blue and white banners declaring US President Donald Trump's re-election intentions that read: "Trump 2020: Keep America Great."

    And farther down:

    "We can easily sell more than 10,000 Trump 2020 campaign flags each month," said Yao Dan, who founded the family business in 2014, though the company does not track who the ultimate buyers are.
    More at:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/wor...ctory#cxrecs_s


    Anyone like to guess who might be buying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Anyone like to guess who might be buying them.
    It is not much of a stretch is it?

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    Retards?

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    Birds of the same feather????


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    Originally Posted by mark45y
    Most Americans did
    Now, when the whole world knows that "most Americans" do what they are told - whoever is it who tells to them (didn't we have here a pool where the American believe more to Putin than to Trump?) - how easy for anybody in the world (even such as a FatBoy) to control America (to be great again)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    ^^^ You seriously think Trump is the LESSER of the two evils???
    Yes, to answer your question. I lived in Arkansas and worked with many people who worked with them or were friends of theirs. I would tell you about it except I don't think you have a frame of reference to understand it. However if you are 70 years old, an American who has lived in Arkansas during the 70's, 80's and 90's let me know.

    Also about your long useless post above. I guess you are not an American. There is a big difference between indictment and conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    They keep saying he said that. I'm still waiting to see a direct quote.
    The simple fact is he didn't say that.
    "That is not to say a person who engaged in these activities (other than Mrs. Clinton) would not face consequences"
    Why the FBI Didn't Charge Clinton in the Email Investigation | Time

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    Whatever you think of Trump,he is certainly kicking ass,on the international diplomatic stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Sounds to me like they maybe they had,a point
    The only point Kristol, McCain, Rubio et al have is on top of their heads.


    edit: So the post I made on Greenwald's article pointing out that the "right" started this Russia drumbeat had to be removed?

    weak...




    There's still a link to it in my previous post...post #16240
    Last edited by SKkin; 16-07-2018 at 05:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    However if you are 70 years old, an American who has lived in Arkansas during the 70's, 80's and 90's let me know.
    Did you prof. at the Arkansas Black Woman's College?



    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    Whatever you think of Trump,he is certainly kicking ass,on the international diplomatic stage.
    It takes a special kind of mentality to think that being viewed as a rude, boorish, ignorant moron is 'kicking ass'.

    You're special though aren't you Chico. Now back to your window-licking.

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