Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by Humbert

his unsubstantiated wiretapping claims have been damaging.

though, that's what nunes and the wsj op-ed are saying: trump might be on to something.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.

I think you can take what Nunes and a Murdoch rag try and intimate with a very large dose of salt.

Nunes told reporters he had seen new information showing that the communications of Trump transition officials were scooped up through monitoring of other targets and improperly spread through intelligence agencies during the final days of the Obama administration. He specifically stated that the new information he received did not support Trump’s allegations that President Barack Obama had ordered a wiretap at Trump Tower.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...trump-briefing

Originally Posted by DrB0b

One of them is owned by a bankrupt Syrian businessman and the other by the National Trust. What's your point?

I was referring more to who the places were originally built for. I'm pretty sure their heirs aren't slumming it currently.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

and a Murdoch rag

notice when the washington post is quoted, you don't say "a benzos rag". ;-)

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He specifically stated that the new information he received did not support Trump’s allegations that President Barack Obama had ordered a wiretap at Trump Tower.

yes, specifically trump shooting from the hip saying obama ordered wiretaps, of course, is not true as the president can't order wiretaps.

though, in terms of who's going to jail, it'll be obama/hillary supporters in the obama admin and leftover obama/hillary supporters in the trump admin (as trump is onto something):

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

nce agencies during the final days of the Obama administration. He specifically stated that the new information he received did not support Trump’s allegations t

yes, specifically trump shooting from the hip saying obama ordered wiretaps, of course, is not true as the president can't order wiretaps.

though, in terms of who's going to jail, it'll be obama/hillary supporters in the obama admin and leftover obama/hillary supporters in the trump admin (as trump is onto something):

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.

You just can't force yourself to admit that either the orange-faced wanker is a complete fucking moron or lying through his teeth, can you?

Given that he twatters his bullshit right after it's on Breitbart or Fox and Friends, I tend to favour the former, although he does lie through his teeth to try and cover up his clangers.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Given that he twatters his bullshit right after it's on Breitbart or Fox and Friends, I tend to favour the former, although he does lie through his teeth to try and cover up his clangers.

we'll see.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Given that he twatters his bullshit right after it's on Breitbart or Fox and Friends, I tend to favour the former, although he does lie through his teeth to try and cover up his clangers.

we'll see.

We'll see what?

More evidence that he's actually just a bumbling buffoon.

LONDON — US President Donald Trump mixed up the European Union's two most senior figures during a phone conversation with the European Commission's president, Jean-Claude Juncker.

In an interview with the Financial Times this week, Juncker said he planned to visit Washington, DC, next month — but did not know whether he would even meet with Trump.

He added that the president "does not understand anything" about Europe and recently thought he was speaking with Juncker when he was actually on the phone with the European Council's president, Donald Tusk.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

We'll see what?

if trump is correct (in general) that the obama admin was looking at transcripts of surveillance (with names of americans, i.e. the trump team, in them).

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

that the obama admin was looking at transcripts of surveillance

no idea if any leakers are going to jail....and as much as you desperately want that to be the "story", it's just not going to be.

you can beg, hope, pray and plead for it to be, but it's never going to be as long as there is an active FBI investigation into the trump campaign colluding with the russians to affect our democratic process...and btw, many analysts believe the investigation could go on for years.
and once a special prosecutor is named by congress, god only knows where that will go....maybe that process will out some of the leakers you're so concerned about.

so, who do you think is going to jail? roger stone? paul manafort? carter page? former NSA flynn?

Originally Posted by raycarey

no idea if any leakers are going to jail....and as much as you desperately want that to be the "story", it's just not going to be.

you can beg, hope, pray and plead for it to be, but it's never going to be as long as there is an active FBI investigation into the trump campaign colluding with the russians to affect our democratic process...and btw, many analysts believe the investigation could go on for years.
and once a special prosecutor is named by congress, god only knows where that will go....maybe that process will out some of the leakers you're so concerned about.

so, who do you think is going to jail? roger stone? paul manafort? carter page? former NSA flynn?

There is not a chance in fucking hell that Republicans will appoint an independent special prosecutor with subpoena powers, even though it's painfully obvious that this is what is required for true transparency.

Originally Posted by raycarey

so, who do you think is going to jail? roger stone? paul manafort? carter page? former NSA flynn?

guess i'll put you down as a conspiracy theorist:

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

their conspiracy theories about about trump (his campaign) being a really bad dude who hooked up with the russians will never be more than a theory about a conspiracy between trump and the russians.

same whitewater/murder conspiracy theories about clinton, conspiracy theories about dubya doing 911 and obama being muslim/not american.

good luck with that, ray.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by raycarey

no idea if any leakers are going to jail....and as much as you desperately want that to be the "story", it's just not going to be.

you can beg, hope, pray and plead for it to be, but it's never going to be as long as there is an active FBI investigation into the trump campaign colluding with the russians to affect our democratic process...and btw, many analysts believe the investigation could go on for years.
and once a special prosecutor is named by congress, god only knows where that will go....maybe that process will out some of the leakers you're so concerned about.

so, who do you think is going to jail? roger stone? paul manafort? carter page? former NSA flynn?

There is not a chance in fucking hell that Republicans will appoint an independent special prosecutor with subpoena powers, even though it's painfully obvious that this is what is required for true transparency.

i made an error in my post...it's the justice department that names a special prosecutor....congress can appoint a special committee or investigate through existing committees.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

the only difference is the u.s. mainstream media is supporting your conspiracy theory, ray:

trump (his campaign) being a really bad dude who hooked up with the russians (to defeat hillary) will never be more than a theory about a conspiracy between trump and the russians

Why do you so adamantly insist that when there is so much certainty in the intelligence community?
You privy to things they aren't or is it more likely they're privy to things you aren't?

so, ray:

trump who has been talking about running for president for decades,

finally put his finger in the air and felt it was his time.

he knew the things he's been talking about for decades (unfair trade, etc.) will be a winner.

at the same time, ray,

trump thought: "gotta get those russians to help me by sending files to wikileaks about podesta being a prick and the dnc favoring hillary over bernie"

????

great conspiracy theory you have there, ray.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Why do you so adamantly insist that when there is so much certainty in the intelligence community?
You privy to things they aren't or is it more likely they're privy to things you aren't?

fair enough, cujo.

though, all we are doing is speculating, right?

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

great conspiracy theory you have there, ray.

sure. me and the FBI.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by Cujo

Why do you so adamantly insist that when there is so much certainty in the intelligence community?
You privy to things they aren't or is it more likely they're privy to things you aren't?

fair enough, cujo.

though, all we are doing is speculating, right?

No, all you are doing is blowing wind and piss when it's abundantly clear that there was enough evidence involved for the FBI to launch an investigation.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

that there was enough evidence involved for the FBI to launch an investigation.

what is the evidence, pray tell?

b.t.w,. the investigation was started in the obama admin (as you know).

i.e. you don't know, harry and it is still a theory.

anyways, all we are doing is making predictions, of course:

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

1. their conspiracy theories about about trump (his campaign) being a really bad dude who hooked up with the russians will never be more than a theory about a conspiracy between trump and the russians.

2. some hillary/obama supporters will be going to jail for leaking flynn's name and possibly other crimes.

You need to pay attention before you start spouting all this bollocks.

In his statement on Monday Comey said the FBI began looking into possible coordination between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives because the bureau had gathered "a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe an American may be acting as an agent of a foreign power."

Note that this is Comey being quoted before you start on yet another irrelevant tangent.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Note that this is Comey being quoted before you start on yet another irrelevant tangent.

you misunderstand: the scandal won't be starting the investigation, it'll be what happened after it started:

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.