Where will the next razor-wire border fence in Europe be built?

[HermantheGerman]

This might be a good question to ask. The fences are popping up like mushrooms and Co. are making a fortune.
-This week the EU will be at its turning point.
-Merkel is standing in the rain by herself.
-Putin is doing his best to divide Europe (will he strike at Turkey ?)
-U.K. does nothing but wants a freebee from the EU.
-The U.S. is busy with elections with Sadam Quadafi Trump and some other imbicile candidates.

I say: "Put up the fences/walls NOW. The germans have experience in building walls. Could become another great export item .

PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC—So where should the next impenetrable razor-wire border fence in Europe be built?

Hungary’s right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban thinks he knows the best place — on Macedonia’s and Bulgaria’s borders with Greece — smack along the main immigration route from the Middle East to Western Europe. He says it’s necessary because “Greece can’t defend Europe from the south” against the large numbers of refugees pouring in, mainly from Syria and Iraq.

The plan is especially controversial because it effectively means eliminating Greece from the Schengen zone, Europe’s 26-nation passport-free travel region that is considered one of the European Union’s most cherished achievements.

Orban’s plan featured prominently Monday at a meeting in Prague of leaders from four nations in an informal gathering known as the Visegrad group: Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. The Visegrad group, formed 25 years ago to further the nations’ European integration, is marking that anniversary Monday. Still, it has only recently found a common purpose in its unified opposition to accepting any significant number of migrants.

This determination has emboldened the group, one of the new mini-blocs emerging lately in Europe due to the continent’s chaotic, inadequate response to its largest migration crisis since the Second World War. The Visegrad group is also becoming a force that threatens the plans of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who wants to resettle newcomers across the continent while also slowing down the influx.

“The plan to build a new ‘European defence line’ along the border of Bulgaria and Macedonia with Greece is a major foreign policy initiative for the Visegrad Four and an attempt to re-establish itself as a notable political force within the EU,” said Vit Dostal, an analyst with the Association for International Affairs, a Prague-based think-tank.

At Monday’s meeting, leaders from the four nations were joined by Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov and Bulgarian Prime Minister Boiko Borisov so they can push for the reinforcements along Greece’s northern border. Macedonia began putting up a first fence in November, and is now constructing a second, parallel, fence.
“sensible talks” on Macedonia’s EU membership.
Ivanov said Macedonia was ready for any scenario, but added Greece should be part of any plan.

Borisov said Bulgaria “is very interested in participating in the protection of the EU’s external border.”

“If it were up only to us Central Europeans, that region would have been closed off long ago,” Orban said before at a news conference recently with Poland’s prime minister. “Not for the first time in history we see that Europe is defenceless from the south . . . that is where we must ensure the safety of the continent.”

Poland has indicated a willingness to send dozens of police to Macedonia to secure the border, something to be decided at Monday’s meeting.

“If the EU is not active, the Visegrad Four have to be,” Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said recently. “We have to find effective ways of protecting the border.”

The leaders will try to hash out a unified position ahead of an important EU meeting Thursday and Friday in Brussels that will take up both migration and Britain’s efforts to renegotiate a looser union with the EU. The Visegrad countries have also recently united against British attempts to limit the welfare rights of European workers, something that would affect the hundreds of thousands of their citizens who now live and work in Britain.

Hours before the Prague meeting, the European Commission unveiled a further 10 million euros ($15.4 million) in finances to help Macedonia improve its borders and migration management, but insisted the money not be used to build fences.

“We don’t think that closing borders is the response. We prefer managing borders,” said commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas. “The European response to the refugee crisis will be done with Greece, not against Greece.”

But Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo insisted “the alternate plan is not aimed against any EU partner.”

Anti-migrant messages resonate with the ex-communist EU member states, countries that have benefited greatly from EU subsidies and freedom of movement for their own citizens but which now balk at requests to accept even small numbers of refugees. The Visegrad nations maintain it is impossible to integrate Muslims into their societies, often describing them as security threats. So far the Poles, Czechs and Slovaks have only accepted small numbers of refugees, primarily Christians from Syria.

Many officials in the West are frustrated with what they see as xenophobia and hypocrisy, given that huge numbers of Poles, Hungarians and other Eastern Europeans have received refuge and economic opportunity in the West for decades.

Indeed there are plenty of signs that the countries are squandering a lot of the good will that they once enjoyed in the West for their sacrifices in throwing off communism and establishing democracies.

Orban’s ambitions for Europe got a big boost with the rise to power last year in Poland of the right-wing Law and Justice party, which is deeply anti-migrant and sees greater regional co-operation as one of its foreign policy priorities. Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo’s government says it wants to do more to help Syrian refugees at camps in Turkey and elsewhere while blocking their entry into Europe.

Although Orban is alienating Greek authorities, who are staggering under the sheer numbers of asylum-seekers crossing the sea from Turkey in smugglers’ boars, he insists he must act as a counterweight to Western leaders, whom he accuses of creating the crisis with their welcoming attitude to refugees.

“The very serious phenomenon endangering the security of everyday life which we call migration did not break into Western Europe violently,” he said. “The doors were opened. And what is more, in certain periods, they deliberately invited and even transported these people into Western Europe without control, filtering or security screening.”

Dariusz Kalan, an analyst at the Polish Institute of International Affairs, said he doesn’t believe that the Visegrad group on its own can destroy European unity but says Orban’s vision is winning adherents across the continent in far-right movements and even among mainstream political parties.

“It’s hard to ignore Orban,” Kalan said. “People in Western Europe are starting to adopt the language of Orban. None are equally tough and yet the language is still quite similar.”


After the meeting in Prague, Orban said his country is ready to help “those countries that are ready to create a second defensive line south of Hungary.”

He also said Hungary fully supports Bulgarian membership in the Schengen zone because “it is capable of fully protecting its borders.” He also called for opening
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/20...gee-force.html

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Borderfences Spain



This one is a classic. Golf & Refugees.

[harrybarracuda]

Schengen is finished really.

[Cujo]

Looks like good target practice.

[Neverna]

Borderfences Spain

This one is a classic. Golf & Refugees.

Yes, a classic from October 2014. Photo taken on the African continent, the Club Campo de Golf in Melilla, the Spanish enclave, the Morocco-Melilla border.

Seems fences don't work so well.

African migrants look down on white-clad golfers in viral photo | World news | The Guardian

"...a dozen or so migrants caught on the triple fence that marks the border between Spain’s north African enclave of Melilla and Morocco on Wednesday. After 200 had tried to scale the fence, Spain’s interior ministry said 20 people had made it to the enclave and another 70 remained perched on top of the fence for several hours."

[Cujo]

I wish they wouldn't call them 'migrants'.
Migrants are people who've done the paperwork and applied through the proper channels.

These should be classed as legal game.

[HermantheGerman]

[HermantheGerman]

Another Border Fence !

Hungary ready to build fence on border with Romania


Published 09:58 February 19, 2016


The chief of staff of Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban has announced his country is ready to build a fence on its border with Romania to keep out migrants and there is a good chance that this cannot be avoided.
“We are ready to erect a technical barrier on the Romanian border as well… today there is significant chance that this cannot be avoided,” Janos Lazar told a news conference on February 18.
As reported by the Reuters news agency, Lazar also said Hungary and the Visegrad group of Central European countries respected a proposal that the flow of migrants should be primarily tackled on the borders of Greece.
“The real debate is about whether we help the Balkans countries or not,” Lazar said, adding that if there was no second line of defence between Greece and the Schengen border, then Europe would leave Balkans countries on their own.

[Neverna]

I hope they build a fence around Poland - to keep Polish people in Poland.

[HermantheGerman]

I hope they build a fence around Poland - to keep Polish people in Poland.

I hope they build a fence around ____ - to keep ____ people in ____.

[Chittychangchang]

The M25 in London would be a good place for a new fence, ring London off

[HermantheGerman]

After the razor wire comes the military !
Back to the good ole days

Slovenia deploys army to Schengen zone border to tackle refugee influx



In a bid to help police manage the flow of migrants and refugees, Slovenia's parliament has deployed the army to its border with Croatia. The frontier is the main crossing into Europe's Schengen passport-free zone.

Slovenian parliamentary speaker Milan Brglez said late Monday that the legislation, which enables the army to control the migrant flow for three months, was passed in the 90-seat parliament by 69 votes to five. Under the new law, military personnel are also permitted to temporarily detain groups of migrants and hand them over to police.
Speaking ahead of the vote, Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar told journalists that the bill was "a natural move under the circumstances."
"It doesn't [authorize the army to take] military action, but it is to provide assistance to the police in border-guarding tasks," Cerar said, adding that the army is also authorized to use force in case of an emergency to "ensure citizens' safety."
Interior Minister Vesna Gyorkos Znidar told lawmakers the army's support was urgently needed to ease pressure on police manning the border and to enable them to "perform their tasks inside the country, where we expect significant problems when migrants are denied entrance [into Austria]."
Key transit country
After Hungary closed its borders to migrants and refugees in October, Slovenia, which has a 670-kilometer (410-mile) Schengen external border with Croatia, became a key transit country for migrants travelling from Greece toward Austria and Germany.
In an attempt to avoid becoming a bottleneck, Slovenia tightened controls of the migrant flow earlier in February, after neighboring Austria limited the number of migrants transiting through the country to 3,200 a day.
During the last four months, more than 470,000 migrants have entered Slovenia and, after undergoing identification, have crossed the border into Austria.
Many of the nearly 1.1 million migrants who reached Europe's shores last year - almost half of them from Syria - passed through Austria on their way to Germany and Sweden, the two countries that have taken in the most people.
ksb/cmk (AFP, Reuters)




Slovenia deploys army to Schengen zone border to tackle refugee influx | News | DW.COM | 23.02.2016

[Neverna]

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary

21 February 2016

Police in Hungary say increasing numbers of migrants are breaching a razor wire fence built to stop them crossing the border from Serbia.

In January, 550 people were caught getting through - up from 270 in December. More than 1,200 were caught in the first 20 days of February.

The number of people crossing from Serbia dropped after Hungary built the fence along the 175km (110-mile) border with its neighbour last year.

But police say migrants are now increasingly getting through, mostly by cutting through or climbing over the barrier.

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary - BBC News

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Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary

21 February 2016

Police in Hungary say increasing numbers of migrants are breaching a razor wire fence built to stop them crossing the border from Serbia.

In January, 550 people were caught getting through - up from 270 in December. More than 1,200 were caught in the first 20 days of February.

The number of people crossing from Serbia dropped after Hungary built the fence along the 175km (110-mile) border with its neighbour last year.

But police say migrants are now increasingly getting through, mostly by cutting through or climbing over the barrier.

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary - BBC News

Most of those detained in Hungary after breaking through are from Pakistan, Iran and Morocco

[blue]

Pay Serbia billions to keep them out, they have an army and are not poofs.

it will be a good way to compensate Serbia too, for the shameful Kosava war, back in the days. pre 9/11 when it was cool to back muslim separatists

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Most of those detained in Hungary after breaking through are from Pakistan, Iran and Morocco

No big surprise.

Before 9/11 it was nearly always Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Moroccans who scammed and slithered their way over to Uk or Sweden (1980s < today).

Iranians? What the fwk are they running from or chasing after?

Iraquis, I can understand, that Iraq debacle was the worst shit-show USA ever instigated outside of the Vietnam war and S.American states interventions/wars/and crap.

Most of the slime/crime growth in Europe is coming from BAME groups there.

Not all the growth. just most of the new 'enterprises'.

Doing the (supposedly) Xtian 'turn the other cheek' bit is to invite victimizers to take over.

That little Xtian edict advised by Jesus was in reference to Roman assaults on civilians during their occupation of Israel (re-named Palestina by the Romans circa 75 AD).

That edict/piece of advice was for those times, when under duress from a superior force. (probably Buddho/Daoist influence in Hellenism, the popular philosophy of the time).

In fact, ONLY turn the other cheek (to authority)when you have no other choice, otherwise you'll get a right smacking.

Whenever possible, smack the bastard back, good and hard.

That fwkn bully won't like that, as he fears and respects pain, which is why he assaults ya.

Don't be a vitim of anyone's creed, dogma, belief or stupid hang-up.

SMACK BACK HARD!

[Cujo]

^^ that looks like trouble right there. Not the first thing to come to mind when I hear the word refugees.
I think of bedraggled women and children and old folk humping what remains of their their meagre possessions desperately in search of safe refuge.
Whatever those scum are fleeing from they should stay and fight.

[HermantheGerman]

^^ that looks like trouble right there. Not the first thing to come to mind when I hear the word refugees.
I think of bedraggled women and children and old folk humping what remains of their their meagre possessions desperately in search of safe refuge.
Whatever those scum are fleeing from they should stay and fight.

Running like camels...

[ENT]

Moroccans bin in der tik'n'tin sins fereva der man, eh.

[ENT]

Most of those detained in Hungary after breaking through are from Pakistan, Iran and Morocco...

Are these the unaccompanied children ?

[HermantheGerman]

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary

21 February 2016

Police in Hungary say increasing numbers of migrants are breaching a razor wire fence built to stop them crossing the border from Serbia.

In January, 550 people were caught getting through - up from 270 in December. More than 1,200 were caught in the first 20 days of February.

The number of people crossing from Serbia dropped after Hungary built the fence along the 175km (110-mile) border with its neighbour last year.

But police say migrants are now increasingly getting through, mostly by cutting through or climbing over the barrier.

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary - BBC News

More razor wire fences in all EU countries & soldiers = problem (almost) solved.

[ENT]

Better (double perimeter) fences, surveillance and well trained ground staff with dogs.

All border arrested/detainees immediately replaced back across same border.

Persistent offenders 5 yrs hard labour, then deported.

[HermantheGerman]

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary

Maybe failing but not welcomed. Here is a good interview with Viktor Orban.

Hungary's prime minister says accepting Syrian refugees 'also means importing terrorism, criminalism anti-Semitism and homophobia'

Kai Diekmann, publisher of the German news publication BILD, speaks with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has recently gained notoriety for his rhetoric and policies toward the ongoing refugee crisis. His country has erected a steel fence along Hungary's southern border to keep out refugees — a policy that has now been adopted by other Balkan nations. The following interview was conducted by Kai Diekmann, the publisher of the German news publication BILD and a Business Insider contributing editor. Business Insider and BILD are co-publishing the interview.
Business Insider: Mr. Prime Minister, yesterday you were proposing a referendum request regarding the migration crisis. Do you want to divide Europe?
Viktor Orban: Indeed, I was initiating a referendum in Hungary for rejecting compulsory settlement quotas. We cannot decide disregarding the people in case of decisions that strongly change their life and also determinate upcoming generations.
Also, the quota is reframing the ethnic, cultural and religious profile of Hungary and Europe. I have not decided this way against Europe, but for protecting European democracy.
What is the basic principle of democracy? In the end, it is loyalty to the nation. We Central Europeans know from historical experience that sooner or later we will lose our freedom if we do not represent the interests of our citizens.
We do not want to divide Europe, but rather protect our citizens. This means that we do not want migrants to come to us. Why would we want to import the problems of Western states?
Bernadett Szabo/ReutersSyrian migrants cross under a fence as they enter Hungary at the border with Serbia, near Roszke, August 27, 2015.
Business Insider: Are the national interests of Hungary more important for you than Europe?
Orban: I think that Europe is made of the totality of national interests. European politics must not turn on the interests of individual states. Something that is bad for Germans, Austrians, or Hungarians cannot be a good EU policy.
Business Insider: For Helmut Kohl, Europe is always a matter very close to his heart. Is Europe now – 25 years after the end of the Cold War – exploding around us?
ReutersGerman former chancellor Helmut Kohl holds his speech during his official birthday reception in Ludwigshafen May 5, 2010
Orban: I belong to Helmut Kohl’s political pupils.
And I am happy that the greatest pioneer of Europe is still among us. But I also know that Helmut Kohl would never have put national interests behind European interests.
As a chancellor, Kohl always knew a European plan can only be developed on the basis of national needs and interests.
At the moment, the danger of an explosion is rather due to the chaos in Brussels and the paralysis of the Union.
Business Insider: What are you most unhappy about?
Orban: The fact that Brussels tolerates and promotes a culture of breaching treaties. The Maastricht criteria, Schengen, Dublin – nothing applies any longer.
Germany, Austria and of course Hungary are referring to keeping common rules and treaties, but the heads of European institutions apparently work on the basis of sustainable breach of treaties. … If we no longer respect our treaties, Europe will disintegrate.
Business Insider: Your Slovakian colleague, Prime Minister Robert Fico, accuses the Germans of a “diktat” in the refugee question. Do you agree with him?
Orban: I would not call it a “diktat.” The same time, however, Germany is a major power in Europe, and any pressure from Berlin carries weight. In the presence of Helmut Kohl, this superiority could be felt almost physically, due to his build.
But Kohl never made us smaller countries feel this superiority. We have not only respected him, but also really liked him. And he also liked us. Today, the voices coming from Berlin are coarse, rough, and aggressive. In the current chaos of the migration crisis, this is a big problem.
The Germans and we Central Europeans maintain the basic values of Europe: the Christian-Jewish world-view, the guarantee that treaties will be respected.
We should be united instead of arguing with each other, especially since there are very different signals coming from Brussels: multi-culturalism, disorder and breach of treaties.
Business Insider: Is the German solo effort to be blamed for the refugee disaster in Europe?
Orban: No, the wave of migrants was caused by the chaos in the Middle East, in Syria and Iraq. The German Chancellor has merely reacted to that and has welcomed migrants.
Thomson ReutersResidents look for survivors at a site hit by what activists said were three consecutive air strikes carried out by the Russian air force in the rebel-controlled area of Maaret al-Numan town in Idlib province, Syria.
I am sure she had the well-being of her people in mind when doing so. And I genuinely hope that Ms. Merkel will be successful in what she has started.
We Hungarians, however, vindicate not to take on such an experiment, because we think that is the interest of our people.
Business Insider: Experiments?
Orban: If somebody takes masses of non-registered immigrants from the Middle East into a country, this also means importing terrorism, criminalism anti-Semitism and homophobia. We Hungarians are a cultural melting pot. Europe’s largest synagogue is here in Budapest.
ReutersGerman police officers patrol in Cologne, Germany February 8, 2016
Only a stone’s throw away stands one of the continent’s largest Catholic cathedrals. Christians and Jews live together and not next to each other. There are no ghettos and no no-go-areas, no scenes like New Year’s Eve in Cologne. The images from Cologne have deeply moved us Hungarians.
I myself have four daughters. I do not want my children to grow up in a world where something like Cologne can happen.
Business Insider: Five months ago – when Germany opened its borders – you said in an interview with BILD: “Article 1 of the Hungarian constitution says that the German Chancellor is always right in what she is doing”. Is this still the case?
Orban: Yes, with one addition: at the same time, we do not have to imitate everything the Germans are doing! There is an alternative for German migration policy – but I can see no alternative for Chancellor Merkel.
ReutersGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban hold a joint news conference following their meeting in Budapest February 2,2015.
Business Insider: Do you enjoy being the biggest opponent of the German chancellor?
Orban: For me it’s not a show or beauty contest. Politicians are not popular, because they are right. But the fact is: if Berlin and Brussels had listened to us Central Europeans last summer, we would now have, at most, several tens of thousands of genuine refugees in Europe and not over a million uncontrolled migrants.
From the start, we were demanding: halt migrants, register them and separate them – into actual emergency cases and economic migrants.
REUTERS/Hannibal HanschkeGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel reacts as she makes a statement in Berlin March 24, 2015.
Business Insider: What are the mistakes that Angela Merkel has made and for which she is now isolated in Europe and let down by you?
Orban: Here, Article 2 of the Hungarian constitution applies: “Never give advice to the German chancellor!”
But seriously, I think the European political class has increasingly isolated itself in the migration question.
It is not only in Germany that politicians do not listen enough to their people.
If you want to decide the question of migration without asking your citizens against the will of the people, you are fighting a losing battle.
Business Insider: Let us ask the other way around, do you feel let down by Ms. Merkel since she became the refugee hero last summer and you became Europe’s bogeyman?
Orban: No, the chancellor has never betrayed us, and not even though we have different opinions, for instance concerning the distribution of migrants in Europe.
We do not want these illegal migrants. We do not want to import problems that appeared in Germany. And we do not accept anyone trying to force us to so.
Nobody in Hungary can even understand this pressure.
ReutersA refugee child looks out of a train window at a train station in the town of Sid, Serbia February 12, 2016.
Business Insider: The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, says that history will prove Ms. Merkel right. Is Juncker right?
Orban: I think the course of history will not be bothered by Mr Juncker … Let us see how history one day will judge Chancellor Merkel without Mr Juncker’s help.
ReutersGermany's Chancellor Angela Merkel (L) and president of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker attend a European Investment Bank conference in Berlin March 2, 2015.
Chancellor Kohl, in a long discussion, once gave me this advice: regardless of what people want to tell you – if something seems wrong to you in private, it will not work in politics!
This means that no politician should make a decision against his or her conscience.
I do not doubt that Ms. Merkel has followed her conscience in the migrant question. I also did so, coming to a different conclusion.
Business Insider: Hungary was criticized after the Visegrad Meeting. The general gist was that somebody who receives solidarity should also return solidarity. After all, your country is one of the largest benefactors of EU supporting measures. Germany is the largest net contributor …
Orban: We owe nothing to Germany, and the Germans owe nothing to us. Germany has supported us in becoming a member of the EU. We are grateful for that. But then Hungary has opened its market for all EU states. Everybody has profited from that. So we are square.
In the midst of the financial crisis, at the beginning of our term in 2010 I said: we do not want to save us with German money. We paid back our debts to the International Monetary Fund ahead of time. This year, on our own, we will pay back our entire EU loans, up to the last cent. We Hungarians do not like living at somebody else’s expense. And of course we do not want others to live at ours.
ReutersMigrants stand in a field as they wait for buses, after crossing the border from Serbia, near Tovarnik, Croatia September 24, 2015.
Business Insider: But still, solidarity matters!
Orban: We are being solidary! Hungary protects the EU’s southern border – without any financial support from Brussels. We have paid 250 million euros for border security by ourselves. We also provide aid in the Balkans, without the EU reimbursing a single euro of our expenses.
Not to mention people leaving the Ukraine who are pouring into Poland and then into Hungary. There are one million of them in Poland and almost 100,000 in Hungary. Nobody is talking about that anymore in the EU. Instead, we are asked to open our doors to migrants from the Middle East.
Business Insider: The EU has decided – against the will of some of its members – to distribute 160,000 refugees. Will Hungary comply with this quota?
Orban: This decision is not legal. It contradicts EU law. We, like the Slovaks, are filing a suit against it. Plus, how many of those 160,000 have been distributed so far? Only a few hundred. This distribution key is nonsense, it does not work. But no one in Brussels wants to admit that.
Reuters
Business Insider: Are you not afraid of EU sanctions if you damage the EU’s plans for distributing refugees?
Orban: That is nothing but an attempt of scaremongering. The next EU budget will be decided in 2020. Than, in several years, sanctions would require the votes of all member states. That will not happen.
Business Insider: What will become of Greece if hundreds of thousands of refugees are now stuck there? Don’t you care? Do you still have trust in Greece – or have you given up on the crisis country a long time ago?
Orban: We have spelt tears for Greece a long time ago. We have plead with Greece for long enough. We have offered all kinds of help: money, staff, technical support. Three hundred officers for border security would have been deployed. Everything was rejected. You can only help someone who wants to be helped. Now it is up to the Greeks to act.
ReutersRefugee children point at a map of Europe inside a make-shift tent at a refugee camp close to a registration center on the Greek island of Lesbos November 18, 2015.
Business Insider: Are you in favor of excluding Greece from the Schengen area?
Orban: The treaties are very clear in this respect. A country that does not fulfill its tasks in protecting the external borders has to cope with the consequences. I keep my fingers crossed for Greece, but they, too, have to respect the law.
Business Insider: An EU special summit with Turkey is scheduled for the 7th of March. For Angela Merkel, Turkey is already an important ally in the refugee crisis. Do you trust Ankara, do you trust Erdogan?
Orban: President Erdogan has been my personal friend for a long time. Our relationship to Turkey is close and trusting. Nevertheless, I am of the opinion, that the EU, is now approaching the Turks rather like a beggar.
We are humbly begging Mr. Erdogan for security, since we can no longer protect ourselves. In return, we give him money and promises. That is not a good policy because it makes Europe’s future and safety dependent on Turkey’s goodwill.
ReutersHungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban addresses during a joint news conference with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu (L) in Budapest February 24, 2015.
Business Insider: Recently, you spoke of a “secret pact” between Germany and Turkey. Do you feel blackmailed?
Orban: Brussels is now making promises to Turkey that we will not be able to keep – or will not want to keep. The plan to take up hundreds of thousands of migrants from Turkey into Europe and to distribute them is an illusion. No EU country can, nor wants to implement this plan. Symbolically speaking, here in Budapest people would lynch me if I agreed to that.
Business Insider: You maintain close relations with Vladimir Putin and President Erdogan. Lately, you have also developed ties to the controversial Polish government. Why do you always pick such difficult friends?
Orban: I am concerned with national interests, not with whom I like to drink a beer or to chat about football. Even though Mr Erdogan might be well-suited for the second point.
It is our historical experience, that Hungary can only live in wealth and safety if Berlin, Moscow, and Ankara are on our side and also interested in our success – even if we do not always agree on certain questions.
ReutersRussian President Vladimir Putin (R) and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban attend a joint news conference following their talks at the Novo-Ogaryovo state residence outside Moscow, Russia, February 17, 2016.
Concerning Poland, I can only say that the peoples of Central Europe and Hungary are a community in fate, to the death. Many of us would spill our blood for Poland any time. And vice versa: in an emergency, many Polish people would give his life to protect Hungarians. This has happened more than once over the course of history.
Business Insider: It will be impossible to solve the refugee crisis without peace in Syria. Now Russia is also massively bombing the country. This will drive more refugees westwards. What is Putin planning, you think?
Orban: We Europeans should learn to be humble. We will not be able to solve these conflicts in the near and Middle East on our own. We are criticizing Russia while the USA is negotiating a ceasefire in Syria with the Russians.
The EU seems to be a mere spectator. We Europeans run the risk of looking ridiculous if we undermine this opportunity while we are not even able to agree on a joint migration policy.
Europe seems like an old woman who is shaking her head in shock after reading the threatening new in the papers – but at the same time she forgets to close the door of her house.


Viktor Orban interview - Business Insider Deutschland

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Teargas fired as refugees try to breach Greek-Macedonian border

Athens says its infrastructure cannot cope as Macedonian police fire teargas at crowds breaking through frontier fence



Chaotic scenes have intensified across Greece as the embattled government edged closer to declaring a state of emergency to deal with tens of thousands of migrants and refugees trapped in the country.

With authorities from the Athens port of Piraeus in the south to Pella in the north scrambling to accommodate desperate men, women and children, tensions escalated at the Greek-Macedonian border on Monday as police from the neighbouring Balkan state fired teargas at refugees who broke through a frontier fence at Idomeni.
“Even Greek police were teargassed,” said Gemma Gillie, a spokeswoman for Médecins sans Frontières who witnessed the scene.
“It all happened so suddenly as a group of about 300 people, shouting ‘open the border’, were shaking the fence,” she told the Guardian. “At some point they broke through it but no one actually tried to run the border.”
Greek officials said more than 7,000 people had massed at a makeshift camp on the border. The vast majority were Syrians and Iraqis determined to continue their journey north into central Europe. “Everywhere you look there are children, we’ve never seen so many,” added Gillie. “They were gassed too. Ten of the 22 we had to treat for respiratory problems were kids and four were under the age of five.”
Greek government insiders said the pressure on the country’s public infrastructure – eviscerated by seven years of budget cuts to keep debt-laden Athens afloat – was overwhelming. Schools, sporting arenas and passenger terminals have all been turned into impromptu refugee camps. Between 2,000 to 3,000 migrants and refugees are reaching Greece every day with close to 25,000 stranded within its borders as a result of Balkan countries’ decision to close Europe’s eastern migrant corridor. More than 9,500 are marooned in Athens alone.
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Volunteers described scenes of mayhem at passenger terminals in Piraeus and the arrival hall of the former Ellinikon airport in Athens, where up to 4,000 have been housed. “We should have resorted to using the armed forces long ago,” said one. “[But] being [a] leftwing [administration], there was hesitation. There were humanitarian values we wanted to uphold.”
The bottleneck has increased demand for people smugglers and fake travel documents, with traffickers reportedly flooding Victoria Square, the main meeting point for refugees in Athens.

For several days, Macedonian authorities, citing a similar move by Serbian police, have reduced the migrant flow to a trickle. “People here are not so much angry as scared,” said Gillie. “The border has only been opened at night and just for a few hours. Although they are Syrians and Iraqis, many are worried that they will fall victim to the same abrupt decision that was taken with Afghans.”
Thousands of Afghan nationals have been returned by bus to Athens in the six days since restrictions were tightened.



The desperate scenes came as Angela Merkel warned that other European countries could not afford to let the continent’s refugee crisis plunge Greece into chaos by shutting their borders to migrants.
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With up to 70,000 refugees expected to become stranded on Greece’s northern borders in the coming days, the German chancellor said the recently bailed-out Athens government could become paralysed by the huge numbers of arrivals from Syria, Afghanistan and conflict-ridden African countries.
“Do you seriously believe that all the euro states that last year fought all the way to keep Greece in the eurozone – and we were the strictest – can one year later allow Greece to, in a way, plunge into chaos?” Merkel said in an interview with the public broadcaster ARD.
As its northern neighbours tightly restrict the number of people coming into their territory, and with about 22,000 people in Greece seeking to travel to countries in northern Europe, the European parliament president, Martin Schulz, warned on Monday that Greece was in danger of becoming a “parking lot” for stranded refugees if a scheme to resettle thousands from Greece and Italy was not put into immediate effect. .
This month Austria, which took in 90,000 asylum seekers in 2015 and saw almost 10 times as many pass through, imposed a daily cap on the number of asylum claims it would hear and the number of migrants and refugees it would allow to enter its territory.
At a meeting in Vienna last week, it persuaded nine countries along the Balkans migrant route from Greece to impose tighter controls too. Neither Greece nor Germany were invited to the talks, starkly exposing the rifts within the EU as it faces the biggest influx of migrants since 1945.




Germany in particular has criticised the limit on the number allowed to pass through Austria. Vienna has said Germany itself imposed daily caps in December, leading to “huge backlogs” in Austria.



On Sunday Merkel said she found Austria’s “unilateral” decision “a little unfortunate” and said it had derailed a timetable for a series of EU measures and meetings to tackle the migrant crisis.
She said Vienna’s move had come just before an EU summit on 18 February and led her to insist that leaders move forward their next Brussels debate on the issue from a regular 18 March summit to 7 March.
“If Austria had not taken this decision, we could have waited until our regular 18 March council,” she said, allowing time to see results from several measures, such as a Nato surveillance mission in the Aegean Sea to intercept refugee boats.


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ha ha love it
A state of emergency because they were daft enough to join the EU and lose their borders and now are too gay to send the army in .
Bet it hits the tourist numbers when the season starts after Easter.

Everywhere you look there are children,

bullshit, is same as always mostly grim looking men

tens of thousands of migrants and refugees trapped in the country.

they aint trapped, theyare 100% free to fuck off back the way they came.