Thread: All American friends are possible targets

Originally Posted by blackpanther

Originally Posted by ceburat

They should not play by the queensbury rules.

ok

Originally Posted by ceburat

hiding behind women and children to do their dirty work

ummmm...not queensbury rules??

Originally Posted by ceburat

All blood shed from this type of fighting is directly on the hands on the fighters hiding behind the women and children.

not queensbury rules but whose bombs killed the women, kids and men?

kinda hard to defeat the emotional "kid killer" argument however hard it is to rationalise....

I have no trouble justifying it. I see a blip on a screen that tells me your shot came from such and such a place. I respond with a rocket or bomb and kill many innocents. Your fault - not mine. You hid behind the innocents or your government is shit and did not warn the people to leave. Still not my fault.

Oh, yes. I forgot.

Who said war was fair?

Who said war was fun?

Who started it?

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who started it?

God

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which "religion" needs to be convinced? You already know the answer to that one.

Yes, I know your answer to that.
Maybe it's not the religion itself, but some of its misguided followers, who need to be talked out of medieval sentiments like "an eye for an eye"?

You are correct, however, has anyone been successful yet - talked some of them out of their medieval sentiments, etc?

No. They still have the death penalty in the US of A.

Originally Posted by ADare

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who started it?

God

Whose God?

^ I thought there was only one God.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who said war was fair?

So, what's wrong with launching rockets into civilian areas, hiding behind kids or killing US citizens?

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who started it?

The topic is about a hypothetical scenario in Pakistan.

is ceburat one of these "won't listen" types?

Originally Posted by blackpanther

Originally Posted by ceburat

I

Originally Posted by ceburat

I

Originally Posted by ceburat

I

Originally Posted by ceburat

Your fault

Originally Posted by ceburat

not mine

Originally Posted by ceburat

You

ummmmm...ya..........

did you get my initial point at all?

If you mean - hard to justify killing of innocent kids - killing by US weapons. Yes, I got your point. Now get my point. You hid behind or among the women and children and shot at me. I returned fire not knowing the women and children where there. Whoses fault??? Certainly not mine.

Originally Posted by ADare

No. They still have the death penalty in the US of A.

I fail to see what the death penalty has to do with war. However, it should be done away with in the USA and all countries.

pakistan does have some areas that encourage terrorism and indeed do train these fukwits,

the pakistan govnmt is an ally of the west so why don't the pakistani's sort them out themselves instead of letting things escallate too far and getting the west involved to stop these terror camps.

the more the west gets involved in cleaning up terror camps and dangerous countries the more allienation is going to be felt by the east, which will in turn escallate an already deteriorating situation.

Originally Posted by ADare

^ I thought there was only one God.

There is only one God. His name is the Lord Jesus. And no he did not start the war.

Originally Posted by ceburat

I returned fire not knowing the women and children where there. Whoses fault??? Certainly not mine.

But they do know, most of the time.
A source of struggle with one's conscience, for those who have one.
Pulling the trigger makes you at least partly guilty. Soldiers have to live with this, real Christians think it's wrong.

Originally Posted by ceburat

His name is the Lord Jesus

great stuff!!

Originally Posted by meepho

terror camps

What's this? Do you mean training camps?

Thou shalt not kill.Wasn't that one of the Ten commandments that Moses dragged down a rather large hill?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who said war was fair?

So, what's wrong with launching rockets into civilian areas, hiding behind kids or killing US citizens?

Because it is wrong is you know innocents are your target. If the enemy is your target, no problem.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Who started it?

The topic is about a hypothetical scenario in Pakistan.

Yes, I understand that. My response, who started it, is from the part ab out aggression of the US. There is no US Aggression - Just a response.

Originally Posted by ceburat

There is no US Aggression - Just a response.

sorry..i don't like simple answers....but

When you have war Civilians will be killed. When the USA / UK / major power kills them, they justify it as collaterol damage. In this instance they justify it by saying they could not help it / they were human shields.

On the other hand when the "terrorist" kills civilians they act morally outraged saying there is no justification for it. Lot's of posters come on here and say the are cave men / devils / whatever.

These acts of terror can be morally justified!

All killings and death in this way (war) are to me abhorent.

In my mind the US / UK / major powers should be looking and striving to solve these conflicts in other ways than war. Unfortunately I cannot see any of them doing this.

Instead of people saying good on our soldiers for killing the bastards, we should be encouraging our governments to find a different solution.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

I returned fire not knowing the women and children where there. Whoses fault??? Certainly not mine.

But they do know, most of the time.

No they do not know or they would not fire.

A source of struggle with one's conscience, for those who have one.

I have a conscience and I don't struggle with it. If something is wrong and it is your fault it will never bother me in least.

Pulling the trigger makes you at least partly guilty. Soldiers have to live with this, real Christians think it's wrong.

I was a military long before I became a christian. I have never been both at the same time. Soldiers doing their duty are guilty of nothing. Yes, real christians think it is wrong. The fact that I think the killing is wrong now that I am a christians in no way makes me blame the innocent US Soldiers. We never shoot at women and children on purpose and we do not hid behind them.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Because it is wrong is you know innocents are your target. If the enemy is your target, no problem.

What if Americans are the enemy? Don't they "support the troops", just as the other civilians support their fighting men?

Maybe what you meant was armed enemy, but then, you still have to make the conscious decision to shoot at unarmed "innocents" as well. I am surprised how unfamiliar you are with the intricacies of this issue, are there no questions and controversies amongst Christians on this?

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Thou shalt not kill.Wasn't that one of the Ten commandments that Moses dragged down a rather large hill?

Yes, Thou shalt not kill is one of the Ten Commandments. I believe that and agree with that today. However, as I answered stroller, I was in the military long before I became a christian. It's a shame that all religions do not believe it wrong to kill.