U.S. Immigration

[barbaro]

Below is an article about a social experiment that costs taxpayers money, and involves a lot of work and time.

I believe this is another example of why immigration in the U.S. is out of control, and a mistake.

Link: Local News | A new neighborhood built to tear down old barriers | Seattle Times Newspaper

Read the entire article and make references to it, if you decide to post in this thread.

Thanks, MM

[man with no head]

I'm not really sure I see the connection between immigration and this particular project. If anything studies have shown that immigrants tend to fare better over time (both economically and socially) than native born citizens. It appears to me that the aforementioned project is more geared to replacing typical public housing projects than necessarily attacking the problem of whether immigration is too high or too low.

[Mr Earl]

^yea I don't see the direct immigration connection either, other than perhaps how many low income qualifiers for these homes might be new immigrants.
It's more about "homogenizing" a low income community. Which in itself raises some interesting social questions about living in America.

[kerux]

U.S.Majority of Americans under 40 are now non-White and Whites a small minority in those under 25!

David Duke comments: The latest U.S. Cenus studies show clearly the ethnic cleansing of European Americans taking place in the United States. Through massive immigration and differential birthrates, the younger generation of White people are now outnumbered by nonwhites their own age. In the 1960’s European Americans constituted over 90 percent of the Ameircan population, now we are at 66 percent and at this rate in a decade or two we will be a minority in the nation the our own people founded. All signers of the declaration of Independence were European Ameircans. The first immigration law created by the United States Government by the same creators of our Constitution limited immigration into the United States to European Christians. Now we are on the verge of being outnumbered and outvoted in our nation. The radical leftist politics of Jesse Jackson and La Raza Unita will be mainstream poltical power of America. To those European Americans reading this: If this is not the time to invest your lives, your fortune and your honor to our people’s heritage and freedom, when is the time? It is time to set aside every other consideration in your life and make the struggle for our freedom and even our very existence the top priority of your life. The time is now!

California starkly reflects this new gap. Non-Hispanic white people account for 63 percent of the state’s residents age 60 and older. But the population under 40 is 38 percent Latino of any race, 13 percent Asian American, 8 percent black and just 39 percent non-Hispanic white.

Whites becoming a minority!

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...-s-388969.html

[flash]

The USA is made up completely of immigrants(apart from the injuns)Every one of you yanks come from somewhere else, so why shouldn't everyone else have the same chances you or your family had?

[blackgang]

mainly because when the old immigrants [my grandparents] they were immediately ready to become Americans, They did not come ashore with their old countrys flag waving over their heads and did try to assimilate as soon as possible and to be good American citizens. And they were perfectly legal and had papers to prove it..
They did not riot in the streets and wave their own flag, fly the American flag upside down under their own flag and carry signs written in their own language denegrating the USA and calling for everyone to be beheaded or killed in some horrible manner.

And the injuns were the same as everyone else, only they just came a little earlier and by way of the land bridge from siberia.

[kerux]

The USA is made up completely of immigrants(apart from the injuns)Every one of you yanks come from somewhere else, so why shouldn't everyone else have the same chances you or your family had?

Nah, the first white Europeans to the Americas were settlers, not immigrants. settlers came and developed. These immigrants, mostly illegal immigrants ie. law breakers, don't develop, they leech. Oh, they may do some work that some whites don't want to do, but they should be kept on visas and have to renew, just like English teachers do in other countries. Not just stay and then demand things be done their way or they'll destroy their native hosts lands and wealth if they don't get their way.

Secondly, the United States was founded by Europeans of white descent for their posterity, not for non-whites. Even the slaves were not considered equal to white men.

Why don't the non-whites stay in and develop their own countries? They are ruining the white nations. They demand to be taught in their own language, the have higher crime rates than whites, [with the exception of Asians]. They don't contribute at the same level of whites, they are less educated, etc.


Have you read the speeches of the leaders of La Raza?

" Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo said in a 1997 speech in Chicago to the "National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, that he "proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this."

Zedillo said that because of this fact his government proposed a constitutional amendment that allows Mexican citizens to hold dual citizenship. Spencer believes that the objective is to enable Mexicans in the United States to vote in the interest of Mexico.

Ultimately, many Mexicans hope for a "reconquista," a reconquest of territory lost when Mexico signed the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo at the end of the Mexican-American War.

"One could argue that while Mexico lost the war in 1848, it will probably win it in the 21st century, in terms of the numbers," Navarro told WorldNetDaily. "But that is not a reality based on what Mexico does, it's based on what this country does."

Spencer argues that misguided U.S. policies and lax enforcement have allowed a steady stream of 1 million illegal immigrants a year to enter the country. Demographers agree that instead of integrating into a "melting pot," new Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, are building a distinct, politically active community.

The problem is not that they have a voice, Spencer says, but that they increasingly are acting according to the interests of Mexico.

Spencer believes that the Mexican government played an important role in the legal quashing of a 1995 California voter initiative, Proposition 187, that limited taxpayer funds to services for citizens only. After a visit with California Gov. Gray Davis in 1999, former Mexican President Zedillo told reporters that he had a commitment from Davis to ensure that "the catastrophic effects which were foreseen with Proposition 187 several years ago will not come to pass."

[flash]

The usa needs illegals, the economy wouldn't be the same without them, remember illegals don't recieve benefits and they pay taxes, there are around 8 million illegals in the US, thats 8 million people paying taxes to fund your Governments little projects in the middle east.

[kerux]

another one who doesn't know what he is talking about and has bought the jewish controlled press' propaganda.

Illegal immigrants cost the taxpayers billions.


Illegal aliens cost California billions


By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.

The High Cost of Cheap Labor
Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget

Executive Summary

This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion.

CHILLING COSTS OF ILLEGAL ALIEN MIGRATION

By Frosty Wooldridge
November 9, 2004
NewsWithViews.com

In 2003, according to the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles, 57,600 cars were stolen in Phoenix. It is now the car-jacking capital of the world. Most were SUV’s and pickup trucks. At a conservative average of $15,000.00 per vehicle, owner losses exceeded $864 million. Insurance companies in the state suffered incredible claims from policyholders.

and on and on and on.

Wake up. And please, stop spouting the jewish controlled propaganda around as if you know something when you do.

[Little Chuchok]

Now why don't you think that Asians rate on your so called violence stastics Kerux?

[blackgang]

No, damn few pay taxes cause most are paid in cash, and what few are illegally on jobs that have forms filled out have so many Dependants that very little if any taxes are with held, and they steal more than they buy so that shoots hell out of the sales taxes.
And that have used the ERs at hospitals until they are most all broke and shut down.
And the money and services drawn from state welfares is way past any money that should have been paid to feds.
Illegally paid welfare to Mexicans in Calif alone runs damn near 300 mil a year.

Plus there is not 8 mil,, there is over 13 mil illegals there

But the first were immigrants,, Chief Loping mule had an immig office set up by that big rock down by the shining big sea waters, and had em all get a visa, which they never did renew and so the big fight, and they had let so many in to visit the lady boys and short time girls on walking street that they were out gunned at the time they tried to deport em.

But Leif Erickson had been ashore a few hundred miles north of there 500 years before that anyway.

[kerux]

It's not my so-called violence rating, it's the facts according to FBI statistics. Check it out.

[Mr Earl]

I agree the USA needs a migrant worker system.
Seems like it just got passed in Washington.
Without a sizable immigration the SS system would be in big trouble.
Fortunately the mexican immigrants are a better quality entrepreneur than the Islamic immigrants europe is swamped with.
Sure the USA will likely have a spanish speaking majority by 2050. But so what at least they aren't suicide bombing idiots.

[kerux]

No, damn few pay taxes cause most are paid in cash,

I worked for a framing company in So Cal for a few weeks in 1999. I was the only white guy on the all Mexican crew. We were paid in cash. All 20 of us. And that was typical of every other contruction trade in So Cal. Still is. Cash, under the table.

[Little Chuchok]

Why don't Asians rate Kerux.There must be a reason.There are many violent crimes in Asian countries.Can't believe that they are amongst the lowest ratings in the USA.

[kerux]

But so what at least they aren't suicide bombing idiots.

There are so few Muslim suicide bombers it's ridiculous to even mention. Most of the 'sucide' bombers we hear about in the jewish controlled press are homicide bombers, that is, they leave their care or truck to explode and then it's called a suicide bomber.

Like the 'sucide' pilots who are dumb enough to commit suicide but smart enough to pilot a 757.

[kerux]

Like I said, check it out.

[blackgang]

There are not near as many as there are Mex. so therefore the short count, but they do plenty of violent shit, look it up but is mostly done in southern calif. but a lot is done in fights with mex gangs there too.

[kerux]

True, all the more reason to kick every non-white out of the US.

A real house cleaning.

[Little Chuchok]

Like I said, check it out.

You can't read can you.I did not dispute the figures.I asked you WHY do you think that Asians don't rate high on the crime stats.

[flash]

Some good news for you Kerux,
let them all stay !!!


WASHINGTON — Senators negotiating a bipartisan immigration reform bill have settled on the details of a plan that would immediately grant legal status to all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.

The deal on "Z visas" for illegal immigrants is one of several issues where Democrats and Republicans have reached broad agreement.

But as senators emerged from what they had hoped would be a final round of negotiations Tuesday, they indicated that painstakingly slow progress would keep them from meeting the deadline set by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to begin debate on a bill today.

Late Tuesday, Reid agreed to push that deadline to Monday.

"They tell me they're 80% of the way," Reid said in announcing the delay. "That's fine, the other 20% is hard."

The plan to award legal status to all illegal immigrants who meet certain qualifications would occur only after other "triggers" are met. These triggers would require that certain border security and work-site enforcement measures be in place before other aspects of the overhaul go forward.

The Z visa plan would start with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States going on a probationary legal status. If the triggers are met — a process that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) estimated would take 18 months — then illegal immigrants who qualify could get Z visas. Those who have committed felonies would not be eligible, Graham said, and all participants would have to pass security checks, pay a fine and a processing fee and pass an English proficiency test.

Z visa holders would be able to apply for legal permanent resident status, a step toward citizenship. But at some point, the heads of households with Z visas would have to return to his or her home country and then reenter the United States. They would have to take their Z visa to the U.S. Embassy or consulate and would be guaranteed reentry. The Z visa would include a photo and fingerprints, Graham said.

Tuesday's talks followed two months of negotiations between key senators and administration officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez.

"We've made a lot of progress," said Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.). "There are a few issues outstanding. The staffs have worked around the clock."

Reid had said that if the negotiators could not reach a compromise, he would start debate on a new version of the immigration bill that the Senate passed last year. Republicans say last year's bill is no longer acceptable and had signaled that they may block it. With the new deadline, chances are better that the senators will be able to reach a deal.

Republicans sounded cautiously hopeful. "I remain optimistic that we'll be able to put together a bill that can clear the Senate on a bipartisan basis, hopefully an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

Democrats were more measured. Reid cited "some areas of accomplishment," but added that the two sides were "a long ways from where we need to be."

Unresolved issues include the terms of a guest worker program for future immigrants. Republicans are adamant that any program that imports labor should be temporary and not allow participants to become citizens.

"There is grudging acquiescence that that's the way it's going to work," Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) said of his Democratic colleagues.

Democrats, immigrant advocates and some unions argue that if temporary workers do not have the option of citizenship, the United States will create a permanent underclass.

The senators also have to settle on the number of green cards to make available for legal immigrants who want to become permanent residents.

And they also will tackle a larger issue. From its formal beginnings, the U.S. immigration system has been based on family reunification. Republicans want to change that to a point-based system designed to serve the nation's economic needs. Potential immigrants would be ranked on education and skills.

Senators said they were compromising by combining the family and point system, allocating points for those who have family already in the United States. "It's not going to be all family, but there will be a family component," Martinez said.

The two sides have come to agreement on the Dream Act, a provision that would allow young illegal immigrants to attend college at in-state tuition rates and eventually gain citizenship. Democrats and Republicans also agreed on a jobs program for the agriculture industry.

As the Senate struggled to move forward, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) announced that the House would take up immigration legislation in July, even if the Senate talks collapsed.

House leaders had previously insisted that the Senate move first on the issue.

[man with no head]

Immigration is such as mess.

It's nice to know that if you can walk here illegally you get a free pass. So much for a nation based on the rule of law.

[kerux]

You can't read can you.I did not dispute the figures.I asked you WHY do you think that Asians don't rate high on the crime stats. chuchok

No I can't read and you can shove off. I'm under no obligation to answer questions from boors -
I'm not on your payroll and not your ho.

It's nice to know that if you can walk here illegally you get a free pass. So much for a nation based on the rule of law.

It's like robbing a bank. But if you're caught and raise a fuss, you get a 'get out of jail free' card and get to keep the money.

What do you think would happen then? More bank robberies of course. More law breakers.

What our government is doing is importing millions of lawbreakers who will get to out-vote the then white minority and take over the country. It's no longer a white person's country, it's a non-white country.

[kerux]

Some good news for you Kerux,
let them all stay !!!


WASHINGTON — Senators negotiating a bipartisan immigration reform bill have settled on the details of a plan that would immediately grant legal status to all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.

What more evidence does one need to realize that oour government is hell bent on ruining our country? Despite the fact that the vast majority of whites don't want the illegals to be granted amnesty, that's exactly what is happening.

[flash]

So what are your options then?
A) kill all non whites.
B)chase all non whites out with sticks.
C)Stop bitching and get on with your life.