What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**tomcat** · 10-04-2017, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

don't you believe the story tomcat?

Let's say I'm overcome with doubt until a reliable (read non-Arab, non-Kurd) news source confirms the kills...there is no such thing as an "independent" press agency in the Arab world...

**rickschoppers** · 10-04-2017, 07:21 PM

^
Good for you. I will try and post it up when that happens. As you know, there are lots of sources mimicking this story, but that does not make it 100% fact. No sense in shooting the messenger on every story posted, but nothing wrong with being a bit skeptical.

**tomcat** · 10-04-2017, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

No sense in shooting the messenger on every story posted

Arab "messengers" are generally not reliable as most (if not all) are government-owned or private but in thrall to the local general...a "free" press is a western invention and viewed with great suspicion by caliphs and camelherders alike...

**Neverna** · 10-04-2017, 07:52 PM

^ Peace be upon His Messenger. (Qutb)

**tomcat** · 10-04-2017, 07:59 PM

Ameen...(the masses)...

**Neverna** · 10-04-2017, 08:17 PM

^ Nice accent.

**rickschoppers** · 10-04-2017, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

No sense in shooting the messenger on every story posted

Arab "messengers" are generally not reliable as most (if not all) are government-owned or private but in thrall to the local general...a "free" press is a western invention and viewed with great suspicion by caliphs and camelherders alike...

What about Al Jazeera? Often times I believe their reporting more than western news.

**tomcat** · 10-04-2017, 08:32 PM

Al Jazeera is owned, in part, by folks tied to the Qatari royal family: you will never see one negative word about those obese autocrats in Al Jazeera's pages, nor about any of the Arab leaders that the family favors...

**Neverna** · 10-04-2017, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

No sense in shooting the messenger on every story posted

Arab "messengers" are generally not reliable as most (if not all) are government-owned or private but in thrall to the local general...a "free" press is a western invention and viewed with great suspicion by caliphs and camelherders alike...

What about Al Jazeera? Often times I believe their reporting more than western news.

I wouldn't believe them any more or any less than western media. They are not independent and are susceptible to political pressures and their own prejudices. And their owner is .... ? Qatar.

**OhOh** · 12-04-2017, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

ISIS LEADER BAGHDADI CLOSE TO BEING CAPTURED OR KILLED The conclusions of the Iraqi army after a recent battle with ISIS militants in a town Tel Afar, 63 miles from Mosul. Far from conclusive, but as I said, it would be big if it all comes to fruition

How close is close, the next minute, week, year ........ a bullet in a desert sand dune, a USD1,000,000 missile explosion in a small village full of women and children, a wedding party invitation found near his last know address, a hospital appointment card, a flight of B52's carpet bombing the blue team ........

Has this man not been "killed" six or more times before or was that another "ISIS leader". They do of course, all look the same.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Isis executes 33 people in largest mass killing since 2016 Monitoring group says they were executed near hole which was 'filled with blood'

These wouldn't be the same ISIS terrorists which the ameristanis call "moderate terrorists" would it?

You need to look at who owns the UK newspaper "The Independent" before accepting it as a "source" to be quoted.

**rickschoppers** · 12-04-2017, 12:48 PM

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I believe he is always "close" to being captured or killed if he hasn't been killed already. That about covers it.

**tomcat** · 12-04-2017, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

How close is close, the next minute, week, year ........ a bullet in a desert sand dune, a USD1,000,000 missile explosion in a small village full of women and children, a wedding party invitation found near his last know address, a hospital appointment card, a flight of B52's carpet bombing the blue team ........

...any of those is fine...

Originally Posted by OhOh

Has this man not been "killed" six or more times before or was that another "ISIS leader". They do of course, all look the same.

...noticed the uncanny resemblance to Osama as well as Saddam...probably inbreeding...

**Norton** · 12-04-2017, 01:06 PM

Killing Caliph Ibrahim will have no effect on getting rid of ISIS. Another will just take his place. Geographically the caliphate is shrinking rapidly and soon to be no more. This will hinder but not stop recruitment of nutters by ISIS, an idealogy deemed too extreme for Al-Qaeda. Yep they are still around and doing well without their revered founder Usama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden.

No surprise the caliphate is being defeated geoghaphically. The self proclaimed caliphate is in several countries all of which have far more military power than ISIS. Just a matter of will to take territory held by ISIS.

However, expect ISIS terrorism to continue far into the future in the region and in the west. Running over folks in trucks seems the latest weapon of choice for the nutters. Not much can stop this short of a complete police state. Something ISIS and other radical organization would consider mission accomplished.

**rickschoppers** · 12-04-2017, 01:10 PM

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I would tend to believe most of that.

**tomcat** · 12-04-2017, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Killing Caliph Ibrahim will have no effect on getting rid of ISIS

disagree: I predict it will have a huge impact on recruiting and financial support...

Originally Posted by Norton

Another will just take his place

...the Egyptian who took Osama's place may have the organizational brains...but he possesses none of the charisma and few of the financial resources Osama had...

Originally Posted by Norton

No surprise the caliphate is being defeated geoghaphically.

The surprise is that it's taking so long...this suggests that national armies in the area may have superior Russian and American arms, but lack the fervor and readiness to view Allah that ISIS recruits apparently demonstrate...

Originally Posted by Norton

expect ISIS terrorism to continue far into the future in the region and in the west

agree: and terror against civilians (masked as "revenge") is one way to keep funding sources open...without such disruptions to open societies, this whole business of Muslim fanaticism would begin to fade and the notion of assimilation into western cultures (and mores) would gain adherents...freedom (as understood in the west) is definitely a threat to Islam...

**rickschoppers** · 13-04-2017, 11:44 PM

"Breaking: US military has dropped most powerful non-nuclear US bomb, MOAB, targeting ISIS in Nangarhar, Afghanistan -- first ever combat use"

I am not convinced that this is the real way to get rid of ISIS, but I am not in the driver's seat.

**Neverna** · 14-04-2017, 12:01 AM

Coalition strike kills 18 allied fighters in Syria blunder — Pentagon

A U.S-led coalition airstrike against ISIS mistakenly killed 18 members of the Syrian Democratic Forces fighting President Bashar Assad, the Pentagon admitted Thursday.

It was not immediately clear if a U.S. plane was involved in the 'friendly fire' strike, which happened south of Tabqa in northern Syria on Tuesday.

"The strike was requested by the partnered forces, who had identified the target location as an ISIS fighting position," the Pentagon said in a statement.

However, "the target location was actually a forward SDF fighting position," it said.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...-pen/22038509/
U.S.-Led Coalition Airstrike Kills 18 Anti-Assad Fighters in Syria: Pentagon - NBC News

**tomcat** · 14-04-2017, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Ricksomething

I am not convinced that this is the real way to get rid of ISIS,

One way to stamp out ISIS is to kill all its adherents, trace and imprison financial supporters, prevent its propaganda from being disseminated in the media, silence/jail mosque imams (worldwide) who stir up impressionable youth with incendiary rhetoric, enforce changes in Muslim countries' educational curricula that glorify (and gorify) martyrdom and that declare the superiority of Islam and Muslims over other religions and their believers...and revise Muslim scriptures to allow wine and bacon...then sit back and watch cultural evolution...

**rickschoppers** · 14-04-2017, 07:06 AM

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Much easier said than done.

**Neverna** · 14-04-2017, 10:30 AM

^^ Not my words, tomcat. They are Ricks.

**tomcat** · 14-04-2017, 11:57 AM

...noted...

**Neverna** · 14-04-2017, 12:42 PM

Noted but not edited to correct the name?

**OhOh** · 14-04-2017, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I believe he is always "close" to being captured or killed

Why, because somebody publishes a story?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I am not convinced that this is the real way to get rid of ISIS, but I am not in the driver's seat.

Was "the real way" ameristani $$ paying for the construction of the base that ameristan has subsequently demolished killing, probably, hundreds of children.

**rickschoppers** · 14-04-2017, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I believe he is always "close" to being captured or killed

Why, because somebody publishes a story?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I am not convinced that this is the real way to get rid of ISIS, but I am not in the driver's seat.

Was "the real way" ameristani $$ paying for the construction of the base that ameristan has subsequently demolished killing, probably, hundreds of children.

No, because he truly is close to being captured or killed every day, unless he is already dead.

Did I say anything about a solution to getting rid of ISIS? All I infered was that I am not convinced bombing is the answer. C'mon Oh Oh, read people's entire posts before throwing out some crap statements.

**Neverna** · 14-04-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I believe he is always "close" to being captured or killed

Why, because somebody publishes a story?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I am not convinced that this is the real way to get rid of ISIS, but I am not in the driver's seat.

Was "the real way" ameristani $$ paying for the construction of the base that ameristan has subsequently demolished killing, probably, hundreds of children.

No, because he truly is close to being captured or killed every day, unless he is already dead.

Did I say anything about a solution to getting rid of ISIS? All I infered was that I am not convinced bombing is the answer. C'mon Oh Oh, read people's entire posts before throwing out some crap statements.

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