So is that all you have? Are you refuting the comments? It is well known that that paper is a mouthpiece of Erdogan. Do you have credible evidence to refute that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
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So is that all you have? Are you refuting the comments? It is well known that that paper is a mouthpiece of Erdogan. Do you have credible evidence to refute that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Since Trump has a track record of doing very little, I'm not expecting too much.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...weapons-attackQuote:
Donald Trump warned there will be a “big price to pay” for a chemical strike in a rebel-held Damascus suburb that killed at least 42 people on Saturday, as the UK and France called for an urgent meeting of the United Nations security council in reaction to the the attack.The security council will meet twice on Monday. Russia, a backer of Bashar al-Assad, also called for a session.
The atrocity came amid a barrage by regime jets, helicopters and artillery on the district of Douma, which the European Union said pointed to “yet another chemical attack by the regime” as it called for an international response.
At least 300 people were affected by the gas, medics in Douma said. Many of the 42 who died had been sheltering in the basement of a building that was struck by a projectile shortly after 7.30pm. Ill-equipped local doctors said they treated patients for suffocation, foaming at the mouth, dilated pupils and burned eyes.
Victims of the strike reported a strong odour of chlorine – an industrial chemical that has been dropped by regime helicopters throughout the war. However, Jerry Smith, a former UN weapons inspector who investigated previous chemical attacks in Syria, said the high death toll, the speed of death and convulsions shown by some patients suggested another more lethal compound – possibly organophosphate based – may have been used.
Sarin is an organophosphate chemical that has been repeatedly used in Syria – including in a mass attack on Khan Sheikhoun on 4 April 2017 and in Ghouta in August 2013. European intelligence agencies have gathered evidence that regime officials have mixed sarin and chlorine, which dilutes the gas while ensuring it remains a potent killer – especially if delivered in confined spaces.
US government sources, quoted by Reuters, said that an initial assessment had found that chemical weapons were used in the attack. The determination was made with some degree of confidence, said the sources, who stopped short of assigning blame.
Britain’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, described the developments as “deeply disturbing” and urged Russia not to impede an independent investigation. In a call with Vladimir Putin that took place before the attack, French leader Emmanuel Macron had agreed to “put an end to the military escalation of recent months”.
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Macron has flagged “very clear red lines” over the use of chemical weapons. In a statement, the French foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, said he “condemned in the strongest terms” the Syrian regime’s siege of Douma: “The use of chemical arms is a war crime and a violation of the international non-proliferation regime. France, as the president of the Republic has said several times, will take all its responsibilities in terms of the fight against chemical proliferation.”
Trump demanded that access be opened to Douma, the last of three besieged districts in the Ghouta area of Damascus to remain under opposition control. Access was necessary to verify what had happened and treat remaining victims, he said, writing in a tweet: “President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification.”
His demand came a year to the day after he ordered a strike that saw 59 missiles crash into a Syrian air base thought to be the launching pad for the attack on Khan Sheikhoun. Trump had vowed to order another attack if chemicals were used again.
Mike Rounds of South Dakota, a member of the Senate armed services committee, signalled Republican support for a strike when he told NBC he thought Trump would now “have to send a message that he means what he said”. Ben Cardin of Maryland, a Democrat on the Senate foreign relations committee, told CBS there should be “an international response”.
Rescue workers said they were attacked by jets as they tried to access the site in Douma. The bombing of the building where the civilians were hiding came amid a relentless assault local officials said targeted hospitals and civil defence centres.
It appeared to be aimed at forcing the surrender of remaining rebels who have periodically shelled central Damascus in recent months. One such shelling killed at least six civilians on Friday, Syrian officials said. Opposition officials and regional diplomats ascribed other motives to the use of gas, underpinned by a culture of impunity.
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They do this when they think they’re being defied, when they’ve just suffered a humiliation on the battlefield, or when they feel they need to assert psychological dominance,” said a senior European official. “You can often feel the temperature rising before they do something like this. They think that the rest of the world is bluffing, and they know Russia and Iran will give them complete cover.”
The strike ordered by Trump after Khan Sheikhoun was largely symbolic, damaging runways and hangars that were quickly repaired Russia and Iran claimed the latest chemical attack was a “false flag”. Iran said it had been staged as a pretext for a US intervention. Syrian state media said rebels were in a state of collapse and spreading “fake” news.
A ground attack on Douma has so far failed, frustrating Syrian officials who have blockaded the rebel bastion for six years. Negotiations between regime officials and Jeysh al-Islam, which controls Douma, are reported to have restarted.
Trump’s recent announcement that the US would pull out of Syria “very soon” has been widely read in the region as the president losing interest in maintaining an American stake in trying to shape the conflict. The US has largely confined its role since Trump’s election to fighting Islamic State in the east, stopping the small-scale military support to vetted groups that started under Barack Obama.
Both Trump and the US government offered little commentary as the other two districts of Ghouta fell to Russian and Syrian forces in March, during often indiscriminate bombardments that claimed at least 2,000 lives, many civilians. After being starved and bombed to submission, rebel groups and opposition communities from both areas have been bussed to Idlib province in northern Syria.
On Sunday, the Arizona Republican senator John McCain said Assad, Russia and Iran had been “emboldened by American inaction”.
Evidence of damage, factual reports from hospitals and evidence of anything shot down would of course be useful. Maybe ameristan can assist us with evidence. Similar to the "Iranian" missiles "used" by the Yemen government to protect it's citizens.
This seems to be your stock reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Of course as soon as anything is produced, you'll then denounce it as being faked.
Meanwhile you'll be running around trying to find Sputnik or RT propaganda that blames it on someone else.
You're sooooooooooooo predictable.
^ Spot on!
This probably never happened because the source is apparently full of shit.
Syria Monitors: 14 Killed in Homs Air Base Missile Strike | TimeQuote:
A Syrian war-monitoring group says 14 people, including Iranians, were killed in a missile attack early in the morning on an air base in central Syria.
Rami Abdurrahman, who heads the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, says most of the 14 killed were either Iranians or members of Iran-backed groups.
Syria’s state-run news agency earlier reported that missiles struck the T4 air base early on Monday. It said the attack left people dead and wounded. Although the agency said it was likely “an American aggression,” U.S. officials said the United States had not launched any airstrikes on Syria.
Al-Manar TV station of Lebanon’s Iran-backed Hezbollah group, which is fighting in Syria alongside the government forces, described the attack as an “Israeli aggression.”
The Observatory says it wasn’t immediately clear who was behind the attack.
Yeni Şafak :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Dodged the question. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
...resident rusbots may not be programmed to answer questions...Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
^^ well it seems the blue suede shoes dunnit and the Putin girls choir won't be able to argue because that's what Russia says.
Glad to see you back 'arry. I missed your unbiased repartee.
Believing Russian sources now!Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
How quaint.
Oh dear, back to normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
:)
Er, no. I simply said "that's what Russia says".Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Of course they could say that the moon is made of green camembert and you would consider it to be fact.
What did really happen depends on what source has reported it... (is it so easy for ignorants, isn't it?)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11602&stc=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
(Yet again).
My apologies, you are correct, this time.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
From the ameristani regimes UN speaker:
"Justifying the nay vote by the US, Ambassador Nikki Haley accused Russians of hypocrisy, claiming it is "very good in being consistent and playing games." The proposed draft, she said, "does not accomplish anything."
"The draft resolution mainly asks for the OPCW to send a fact-finding mission to Douma. But the fact-finding mission is already travelling to Douma, they have a mandate to investigate and collect samples," Haley noted. The draft, she argued, aimed to put "the Russian and the Syrian governments in the driver's seat for making arrangements" and to "micromanage" the OPCW investigation.
"This Council, and least of all Russia, should not be calling the shots," she stressed."
One wonders what see had to say regarding the UK government "calling the shots" on the "Salisbury Incident OPCW investigation"?
https://www.rt.com/news/423762-syria-investigation-draft-rejected/
OPCW Will Deploy Fact-Finding Mission to Douma, Syria
"THE HAGUE, Netherlands — 10 April 2018 — Since the first reports of alleged use of chemical weapons in Douma, Syrian Arab Republic, were issued, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has been gathering information from all available sources and analysing it. At the same time, OPCW’s Director-General, Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, has considered the deployment of a Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team to Douma to establish facts surrounding these allegations.
Today, the OPCW Technical Secretariat has requested the Syrian Arab Republic to make the necessary arrangements for such a deployment. This has coincided with a request from the Syrian Arab Republic and the Russian Federation to investigate the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma. The team is preparing to deploy to Syria shortly. "
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-will-deploy-fact-finding-mission-to-douma-syria/
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...yria-kmdg697xg
Paywall
Allegedly the current UK cliques leader is requiring proof before the UK will go to war.
May resists calls to join US military action against Syria
"More evidence needed, PM tells Trump
Theresa May told President Trump yesterday that Britain would need more evidence of a suspected chemical attack by the Assad regime before joining a military strike against Syria. The prime minister rejected a swift retaliation as inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of..."
Why this time and not before the Salisbury Incident?
The ameristani State department spokesman back pedals from the ameristani UNSC statement yesterday, when she stated we don't need any stinking UNSC to tell us what we can do, we are the unexceptional, most powerful country in the world, or some such verbal shit:
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QUESTION: Do you believe that – so a lot of the European officials believe that you can’t really do anything at against the Syrians and the Russians until you’ve got some kind of evidence. What is the U.S. point of view as far as collecting that evidence, and do you believe that evidence would be – we had Russians in at the site yesterday. Do you believe that that is enough evidence to make a move either through the UN or directly?
MS NAUERT: Well, the OPCW, I believe it was just yesterday or earlier today, announced that it would be on the ground gathering evidence. We see the OCPW[2] as the impartial body to be able to collect this kind of evidence. Let me remind you how difficult it is to get. To get to these – first of all, you’re in a war zone. This is a very dangerous environment for anyone to go into. So for these people to be able to go into these environments to collect samples, perhaps through partner organizations that they work with and also themselves – I understand they have their own inspectors who go about doing this – collecting that information and then analyzing that information.
So that’s an important role. They’re the gold standard in collecting this type of information, and we would certainly rely upon them, as we have in other instances, to take a look at that.
QUESTION: So you’re first waiting for the OPCW to come back with something before you can make any kind of --
MS NAUERT: Look, I’m not saying that. The United States Government has its own mechanisms to be able to look into things. Some of these would be intelligence matters that I’m not going to get into. You know full well why. The United States has been sharing information with its allies and partners, as have our allies been sharing information with us. But the OPCW we recognize and are pleased to see that they are able to get to the area or eventually be able to get to the area, we hope as soon as possible, to be able to collect samples.
We have talked about before the Joint Investigative Mechanism that Russia thwarted, and the United Nations today is looking at a vote to come up with a new form of a Joint Investigative Mechanism. And that is something that we would strongly support, because not only do you need that body to investigate what exactly was used, but you need a body to be able to determine who was responsible for it, and that’s exactly what the Joint Investigative Mechanism did.
Now, we do know that some sort of a substance was used, a chemical was used. We’re just not sure at this point today exactly what was used. Okay?
Andrea, go ahead.
QUESTION: Following up on the forensics of this, you know something was used. You don’t know exactly what or by whom. But absent hard evidence, which may take a long time, if ever, is it possible that there would not be some kind of response? Is there a threshold for taking action if it’s clear that some kind of chemical was used, and that there are only certain players who have access to such chemicals?
MS NAUERT: Well, look, we know that only certain players, to use your word, have access to these kinds of chemical weapons. We know that it requires certain kinds of delivery mechanisms to use those types of weapons. Not everyone out there has access to those delivery mechanisms. So we have that information; we’re familiar with it.
I’m not going to get ahead of the President and the White House and what the interagency determines is the best route going forward, but I can tell you that we are in close coordination with our allies and partners on this.
QUESTION: Can I just follow up on that?
MS NAUERT: Yeah.
QUESTION: But given the pace of phone calls and our own reporting in different capitals, it does seem likely that this will be a multilateral response; if there is a response that it will be different from what happened on April 6, 2017.
MS NAUERT: I can just say –
QUESTION: Is that a fair conclusion?
MS NAUERT: I’m not going to confirm that for you. I think our calls are certainly obvious, that we stand strongly with our allies. We’ve had calls with the French and with the British. We’ve had information sharing and also are in conversations with people, as you would expect. "
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/04/280339.htm
Double standards again. Another "considered" decision by some unexceptional regime leaders.
You love posting this irrelevant shite, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
If you want to talk about "double standards", how about asking for the OPCW to do it's job while trying to stop the OPCW doing it's job?
Now THAT'S a fucking double standard pal.
:)
Possibly because they have more evidence related to the Salisbury Incident (see the Observer link I posted in that thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Congratulations on repeating what has already been posted.
Or are you under the illusion that the Russians and Syria asked for an investigation from a genuine desire to seek the truth, rather than because they wanted to get ahead of it and control it (hence the rejected draft resolution where they wanted to get ahead of it and control it).?
Because if so, don't you wonder why they keep blocking a request for a proper investigation?
Or is this because everybody wants to be mean to poor old Vlad?
Why not to let it handled again "properly" by the poor old Bolton?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Why not stop talking like a primate with a mouthful of banana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Isn't he the best man who knows how to start the war?
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Tony Blair (pictured in London today) today backed Western military action against the Syrian regime over chemical attacks on civilians
Read more: Theresa May, Donald Trump and Emmanuel Macron prepare Syria response | Daily Mail Online
Shouldn't the kids cry when the "carers" treat them like this? (anybody seeing red eyes?)
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Wondering why the Syrian chemicals always affect only some kids, never adult "rebels"?
BTW, anybody seeing some "upsetting images" in the video?
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2018/04/949.jpg
You are an utter fucking cretin.
WARNING - These images are graphic so I would not recommend opening them. I just hope to maybe shock some sense into the forum fucking imbecile.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=k3DhS_1523389587
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aOhOK_1523272053
What is the hypothesis about the fact that the clever Assad risks the outrage of the "international community" by attacking always just the kids of the people who love him and stand for him but never the good "rebels"? (there is surely some explanation...)
The World Health Organization has said an estimated 500 people went to health facilities with “signs and symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic chemicals” after the attack on the rebel-held town of Douma in Syria at the weekend.
“WHO demands immediate unhindered access to the area to provide care to those affected, to assess the health impacts and to deliver a comprehensive public health response,” Peter Salama, the agency’s deputy director general for emergency preparedness and response, said in a statement issued in Geneva.
UN aid agencies do not have access to most of the enclave of eastern Ghouta, including Douma where the alleged attack occurred. The Syrian government has denied responsibility for the attack.
The WHO report adds to mounting evidence of the use of toxic gas in the attack, which killed at least 42 people and has raised the prospect of American airstrikes against forces loyal to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.
Medics on the ground in Douma – the last besieged town that was under opposition control in the enclave of eastern Ghouta, near Damascus – reported that hundreds of patients arrived on Saturday night with symptoms of exposure to toxic chemicals.
They said the symptoms, which included frothing at the mouth, suffocation, dilated and constricted pupils, corneal burns, central cyanosis – a blue tinge to the skin – and a chlorine-like odour, were consistent with exposure to an organophosphorus compound. Sarin gas is such a chemical.
The attack appears to have prompted a surrender deal the following day by local rebels. Jaish al-Islam, the dominant opposition group in Douma, agreed to leave the town along with thousands of civilians for northern Syria, after weeks of saying they had no intention of agreeing to a deal that would lead to their forcible exile.
Since then, thousands of the estimated 100,000 people still living in Douma have left on buses heading north. More were expected to leave on Wednesday.
Douma was the last holdout in eastern Ghouta after other rebel groups agreed to leave other parts of the region, which has been under siege for years and was subjected to multiple chemical attacks in the past.
The worst incident was in 2013 when more than 1,000 people died after the Syrian government launched attacks using nerve agents, which nearly prompted a US intervention in the war.
The possibility of western intervention against Assad was heightened on Tuesday after Russia and its western opponents, the US, UK and France, respectively vetoed duelling resolutions at the UN security council over the latest atrocity.
The UN high commissioner for human rights said the world must react to the use of chemical weapons or risk dire consequences. “After decades when we thought we had successfully outlawed the use of chemical and biological weapons, the world is sitting idly by while their use is becoming normalised in Syria,” said Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein. “This collective shrug to yet another possible use of one of the most ghastly weapons ever devised by man is incredibly dangerous.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...k-symptoms-who
FFS seems to be a war of words between an idiot and a moron.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ng_136774.htmlQuote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Defying Russian warnings against U.S. military strikes in Syria, President Donald Trump said Wednesday that missiles “will be coming” in response to Syria’s suspected chemical attack that killed at least 40 people.
“Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria,” Trump tweeted. “Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart!’ You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!”
Trump did not detail what a strike would look like, or whether these would be U.S. missiles. The tweet came as Trump administration officials have consulted with global allies on a possible joint military response to Syria’s alleged poison gas attack. Trump canceled a foreign trip in order to manage a crisis that is testing his vow to stand up to Syrian President Bashar Assad.
The tweet drew a quick response from Russia’s Foreign Ministry. Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Facebook that “smart” missiles would destroy any evidence of a suspected chemical weapons attack.
Based on what evidence, their own or investigation from unnamed individuals?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
But they already have the facts to legalise their assertions?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Is this another UN agency or any tom dick or 'arry with a white handkerchief on their face?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Unproven allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Armed with what evidence from a responsible source?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
All supposition as usual from MSM, thus far. Another unproven post from 'arry based on unproven assertions. But let's not wait for proven facts prior to naming the culprit. Haven't we just witnessed in Salisbury a similar fake incident?
How is asking for an independent OPCW inspection team stopping them from performing their job? It's what one does to "clarify" and obtain the factual proof, as enshrined in the OPCW charter/internationally accepted rules based procedures.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The rebels who wear white helmets probably, and perhaps that guy who observes the situation in Syria from his living room in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
OhOh simply won't believe it if it's not on RT.
He will accept any bullshit they publish without so much as a quizzical look.
:rofl:
I quote from many sites. Russian propaganda it may or may not be. It is at least sourced from named Russians of authority and the power to do things, not like your BBC propaganda source.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
State media controlled by a corrupt, murderous ex-KGB thug = Not PropagandaQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Taxpayer funded, independent (by law) media that frequently gets up the governments nose = Propaganda.
Aalllllllllllllrighty then.....
:smileylaughing:
Well, it has now been reported that the WHO got their information from outside Syria - some town I'd never heard of before somewhere in Turkey.
So what? Have you heard of "electronic communications"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
^ You mean like email and stuff? No, never. What's that then?
But more seriously, FFS, 'Arry old bean. What it actually means is that the people on the ground in Syria did not make those statements or claims. Possibly they were invented in Washington, Wogga Wogga or some basement in Seattle or Sheffield.
So the people that found it in Syria analysed it, compared it with their worldwide accepted/known sample or possibly purchased at the local 711, cried outQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11693&stc=1
and sent a text message to WHO in another country.
The donkey carrying the sample will be along in a week or so when more important items will be leading the news cycle.
Sounds like plan, what could go wrong?
You may be interested in this document.
https://www.unog.ch/80256EDD006B8954...nated_labs.pdf
Try reading the UK government statements regarding what is being funded and why. Law eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
You'll be telling me next the governors decide the agendas, which "guest" to invite and how many times a week the "selected" non-blacklisted "guests" are offered an opportunity to discuss world affairs, for it's multiple public facing outlets.
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National Security Strategy and Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015
"Expand our world-leading soft power and our global reach to promote our values and interests, using our diplomats and development assistance, and through institutions such as the BBC World Service and the British Council.
5.17 The BBC currently reaches 308 million people worldwide, and its goal is to reach 500 million people by 2022. The BBC World Service reaches into some of the most remote places in the world, providing a link to the UK for individuals and societies who would otherwise not have this opportunity. We will invest £85 million each year by 2017/18 in the BBC’s digital, TV and radio services around the world to build the global reach of the World Service and increase access to news and information.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/478933/52309_Cm_9161_NSS_SD_Review_web_only.pdf
Corporation independent...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda