The only honest partners they've had through all dealing in that region; hardly a testimony for future others to collaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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The only honest partners they've had through all dealing in that region; hardly a testimony for future others to collaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
about fooking time Trump is doing the right thing,
"Mission Accomplished?"Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
We had no business being there in the first fucking place...I see all the war pigs are gnashing their teeth.
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America created the IS mess. They should have cleaned it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKkin
But much sooner.
That too...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=25004&stc=1Quote:
Originally Posted by SKkin
Are you trying to say that The US did not arm a militia in Afghanistan, notably around people like Bin Laden, to pull the soviets into a proxy war in the region to "bloody their nose"? Is that what you are insinuating?
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Originally Posted by pseudolus
If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it, dickhead. But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US. That was the Mujadiheen.
Even a fucking dolt like you should know the Saudis were Al Qaeda's biggest donors.
Ah ha. So you actually think Al Qaeda existed then?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
it was the name given to a database of suspected non friendly fighters. Then any event whether false flag or copycat or just simply "nutter does something stupid" is assigned AQ "today claim responsibility" through CNN etc. A designated bogey many to keep simpletons like you chanting WAR WAR WAR.
Carry on, dickhead.
Al Qaeda were born out of the US training camps in Afghanistan. So saying they weren't funded by the US is inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Not only were they funded by the US they were founded and trained by the US.
As said by Robin Cook, the resigned UK's FM, unfortunately, has not lived long after his speech in UK parliament:Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_CookQuote:
Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.[21]
^
https://web.archive.org/web/20061206...ipt/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Osama Bin Laden
ftfy, tossup between them and Qatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
It appears the Turkish leader's team was better prepared for the "phone call" negotiations than the goldilocks and his team. I wonder if any "external" assistance was provided?
The Inside Story Behind Trump's "Shocking" Withdrawal From Syria
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=25074&stc=1
"In a report that essentially confirms what Secretary Mattis only insinuated in his letter of resignation, the Associated Press offered an account sourced from anonymous US and Turkish officials that appears to confirm all of President Trump's hawkish critics' worst fears about his landmark decision to withdraw US forces from Syria: Namely, that it was made seemingly on a whim, without consulting his national security team, during a phone call with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The play-by-play of the call, which was strenuously denied by White House officials, who implied that the account had been planted by Turkish agents who were seeking to undermine the president (though they neglected to specify which details in the account were untrue).
It began by explaining how Trump's aides had prepared detailed talking points for a Dec. 14 call with Erdogan. But Trump abandoned them shortly after it began after apparently being convinced by Erdogan's argument that ISIS had effectively been defeated, given that the once-powerful faction now controls less than 1% of its former territory.
The call had been set up by the NSC after Erdogan threatened to attack US-backed Kurdish troops in Northern Syria whom the Turkish leader accused of supporting the Kurdish independence movement in Turkey.
Trump's advisors had coached him to offer Erdogan a small concession, like holding territory on the Turkish-Syrian border. But after the call began, Erdogan put Trump on the defensive.
"The talking points were very firm," said one of the officials, explaining that Mr Trump was advised to clearly oppose a Turkish incursion into northern Syria and suggest the US and Turkey work together to address security concerns.
"Everybody said push back and try to offer (Turkey) something that’s a small win, possibly holding territory on the border, something like that."
Mr Erdogan, though, quickly put Mr Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for US troops to be in Syria was to defeat IS and that the group had been 99% defeated.
"Why are you still there?" the second official said Mr Erdogan asked Mr Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.
Erdogan swiftly persuaded the president to come around to Turkey's (admittedly reasonable) point of view: If ISIS had been defeated - and the US's primary objective for its incursion into Syria accomplished, then what were US troops still doing camped out on his boarder?
Mr Erdogan, though, quickly put Mr Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for US troops to be in Syria was to defeat IS and that the group had been 99% defeated.
"Why are you still there?" the second official said Mr Erdogan asked Mr Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.
The deciding factor came when Trump turned to National Security Advisor John Bolton to ask if what Erdogan was saying was true. Bolton then begrudgingly admitted that much, before trying to explain that US forces needed to remain in Syria to prevent a resurgence of ISIS (and to serve as a buffer between the Kurds and a massacre by Turkish troops.
When Trump agreed to Erdogan's suggestion that US troops withdraw, both Erdogan and Bolton were shocked, according to the AP'ssources. But in the following days, the president refused to be dissuaded.
With Mr Erdogan on the line, Mr Trump asked national security adviser John Bolton, who was listening in, why American troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president was saying was true, according to the officials.In the days since Trump's decision, national security hawks have warned that by withdrawing its troops, the US would effectively cede Syria to ISIS (or Russia, or some kind of Russia-ISIS hybrid). But the reality remains that the alternative advocated by many of Trump's critics (Mattis included) resembles another "forever war", where US troops remain in place not to fight an active enemy, but to ensure that an enemy never reemerges. US troops first arrived in Syria in 2015 about a year after the US began a campaign of airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria.
Mr Erdogan’s point, Mr Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Mr Mattis, Mr Pompeo, US special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey and special envoy for the anti-IS coalition Brett McGurk, who have said that IS retains only 1% of its territory, the officials said.
Mr Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over IS had to be enduring, which means more than taking away its territory.
Mr Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Mr Bolton and Mr Erdogan.
And how does one defeat an enemy that doesn't exist?"
https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-37648750.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...oops-out-syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-21/inside-story-behind-trumps-decision-pull-us-troops-out-syria
^^ How is it that the people at zerohedge don't know the difference between a border and a boarder?
How many boarders does Erdogan have in his palace anyway? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Trump has tweeted again. Now we know a bit more.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!
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Originally Posted by Neverna
And Turkey is the border that all the ISIS Regime change agents paid for, armed, trained and directed by the Axis of Evil, slip through unmolested.
Al Qaeda...eh?...:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen
Harry is a clueless fool basically.
US funded Mujadiheen had as its members a certain Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden) who went off to do other CIA work, out of which the US created the myth of Al Qaeda to continue their march to global tyranny under their jack boots
Well the whackjobs are doing their best to derail this thread with their irrelevant bollocks.
When the simple truth is that baldy orange cunto thought he'd get some good press with his "bringing the troops home" bullshit and has no fucking clue about the consequences.
Shouldn’t you have stated it more like this: I think the simple truth is ..........? As you don’t have a clue what he thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
....and China is right next door to the "Toiletstan States". The Talibans are only 150 km from the chinese border. Let them flush it !Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
They might have a cure for this problem. Doctor knows best :rolleyes:
For China, Islam is a 'mental illness' that needs to be 'cured'
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/china-islam-mental-illness-cured-181127135358356.html
FIFY.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Possibly engaging with the Taliban politically and commercially may be a better proposition than slaughtering whole villagesfrom 10,000m.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
It appears many are meeting and discussing the ways forward.
China says discusses with Pakistan 'new changes' in Afghanistan situation
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-pakistan-afghanistan/china-says-discusses-with-pakistan-new-changes-in-afghanistan-situation-idUSKCN1OO0BN
Iran in talks with Afghan Taliban: Iranian state media report
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-afghanistan-taliban/iran-in-talks-with-afghan-taliban-iranian-state-media-report-idUSKCN1OP0O6
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Mad man Erdogan has a standing army in Turkey of what? 650000 or something like that? He's told the yanks he's going after the kurds and even the yanks would think twice about getting in the way of that.
Syrian army reinforced close to front with Turkish-backed forces
"BEIRUT (Reuters) - Syrian government troops backed by Russian forces have sent extra troops toward the city of Manbij in coordination with the militia that controls it, a militia spokesman said, as Turkish-backed Syrian rebels said they were preparing to attack it. The deployment was coordinated with the U.S.-backed militia in Manbij, the spokesman for the Manbij Military Council said.
It is part of the wider buildup of forces in the area.
“The battle will soon start,” Major Youssef Hamoud, spokesman for the National Army, the main Turkish-backed rebel force in the area, told Reuters.
“What we see on the front now is reinforcements to all forces to reach full preparedness for the battle.”
President Donald Trump’s plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria has triggered alarm among the largely Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
They have partnered with Washington in the war against Islamic State and now fear the U.S. move will open the way for Turkey to launch a long-threatened attack against them.
“The Russian army has restored the Syrian-Russian coordination center to Arima village to the west of Manbij city, after its withdrawal from there a while ago,” said Sharfan Darwish, the spokesman for the Manbij Military Council.
Manbij was seized in 2016 from Islamic State by Syrian militia allied to the SDF, which control roughly a quarter of Syria. Its capture was a milestone in the U.S.-backed campaign against Islamic State.
In June, the United States and Turkey reached an agreement that would see the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia ousted from the town, but Turkey says its implementation has been delayed. In November Turkish and U.S. troops began joint patrols in the region.
Turkey is determined to cross to the east of the Euphrates river in northern Syria as soon as possible, Ankara’s foreign minister was quoted as saying on Tuesday.
Ankara regards the YPG as terrorists and has been infuriated by U.S. support for the group in the fight against Islamic State.
Trump’s abrupt decision to pull troops out of Syria has handed the fight against Islamic State over to Turkey - and effectively given Ankara the green light to push into remaining Kurdish-controlled areas in northern Syria."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1OP0P2
The Turks to the left, the SAA/Russians to the right, the local council in the middle, all "co-ordinated by ameristan, what could possibly go wrong!
ISIS backed by the US etc are dead and buried. It's why the "Norway girls beheaded by ISIS" bullshit story is not running like it would have in the past. Media staying well clear of it rather than banging the ISIS WE MUST GET RID OF ASSAD drum they have been banging for years.
Might be one more Al Qeaeda White Helmets faked chemical attack in its death throws but soon all these head chopping terrorists will be back home in the west ready to be relabelled as a new bogey man to scare people with.
Thread closed.
Perhaps will not close so easily. There are rumours that the White Helmets are transferred to Ukraine's East (where the rebel provinces are) where they unload suspicious barrels.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
After all, they will be on hand - as usually - when rescuing the kids poisoned by the dangerous Mr. Putin...
Ahh yes - very valid point. They are a useful propaganda construct for the axis of evil. I wonder is Harry has a White Helmets t Shirt?
ftfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Allegedly the SAA were invited into Menbej/Manbij, NE of Allepo, by the local politicians. After the ameristanis and others left the city.
Army General Command announces entry of Syrian Arab army units to Menbej city, Syrian flag is hoisted
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"Damascus, SANA – The General Command of the Army and Armed Forces said Friday said that stemming from the complete commitment of the Syrian Army in assuming its responsibilities to impose sovereignty to each inch of the Syrian territories and in response to calls of locals of Menbej city, the General Command of the Army and Armed Forces announces the entry of units of Syrian Arab Army to Menbej city and the hoisting of the Syrian Arab flag.
The command added that by highlighting the importance of concerting efforts of all the Syrian people in preserving the national sovereignty, it reiterates insistence on smashing terrorism and expelling the invaders and occupiers out of the Syrian soil, as the Syrian Arab Army is to guarantee safety of all the Syrian citizens and the others who are in that region.
Rasha Milhem
https://www.sana.sy/en/?p=154515
https://www.rt.com/news/447589-russia-turkey-meeting-manbij/
https://southfront.org/ypg-surrender...ial-statement/
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKCN1OR0N3
^ The Americans are saying that the Syrian army has not entered the city centre, only the outskirts of the city. Some American military men are still there in Manbij apparently.
Allegedly goldilocks was afraid to step on Iraqi soil during his Christmas "tour".
The Syrian army enters Manbij as Trump follows through on withdrawal: Iraq is next
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Safely in an underground bunker.
"The US presidential plane landed in the darkness of the Iraqi military base of Ayn al-Assad in west Anbar with Donald Trump onboard. But by the time his plane took off three hours later, Trump left behind a protocol-political-parliamentary storm in Mesopotamia as Iraqi members of parliament requested the departure of the 5200 US forces from the country.
None of the three Iraqi leaders (Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi, Speaker Mohammad al-Halbusi, President Barham Salih) came to receive Trump as all three rejected US conditions for such a meeting. Trump seems determined to leave Syria without interfering with who will control the territory behind him: this morning the Syrian Army entered the outskirt of the city of Manbij following a deal between Kurdish leaders and the government of Damascus. Will he also end up leaving Iraq before the end of his term in January 2021?
In preparation for Trump’s visit, Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdel Mahdi was asked to meet the US president. He agreed to meet Trump either in Baghdad, on Iraqi soil, or at the Ayn al-Assad military base, on the Iraqi side of the base; Iraqi national security forces and army units are present at the same base where US forces are deployed, in a separate part of the base. To have met on the US-controlled part of the Iraqi-US base would have made Abdel Mahdi appear as an invited guest in his own country.
A few hours before Trump’s arrival, US Ambassador Douglas Silliman told Abdel Mahdithat Trump would receive him in the US part of the base. Trump refused to visit Baghdad for a quick reception; neither would he even cross over to the Iraqi side of Ayn al-Assad, for security reasons. Abdel Mahdi refused the US invitation, as did the Iraqi president and speaker. All three politicians have risen in public esteem for having refused the US invitation.
Trump’s disregard for protocol when landing in a sovereign foreign country has infuriated local politicians, heads of organisations and members of parliament. They felt insulted and have called for the withdrawal of US forces from the country. Others threatened to force US troops out of the country.
Qais al-Khaz’ali, the head of a parliamentary coalition and leader of “Asaeb Ahl al-haq” (responsible for killing US soldiers during their occupation of Iraq between 2003 and 2011), said “Iraq will respond (to the Trump insult) through a parliamentary demand that you pull out your troops and if you don’t leave, we have the (warfare) experience to force you out”.
Tension was increased by Trump’s announcement that he plans to keep his forces in Iraq and may return to Syria from the Iraqi base. “Hezbollah Iraq” responded immediately by pledging to “cut the hand that will hit Syria from Iraqi bases”.
The US president seems prepared to keep his promise to withdraw from Syria, at least in the case of Manbij. The US announced an “organised exit”, meaning withdrawal in coordination with Turkey so that Ankara’s forces could replace withdrawing US troops. Turkey has been preparing to enter Manbij and Tal Abiad by gathering thousands of forces and proxies standing at the borders of the Syrian province. Nevertheless, the deal reached on Thursday night between the Syrian government and the YPG Kurds gave the green light to the 1stand 5thdivisions of the Syrian army to take back Manbij (still on the outskirt) and raise Russian and Syrian flags over the city. This development is blocking the road for Turkey and its proxies to move into the province. The decision was communicated to Turkey via Russia.
Moscow is standing in the way of any change of power on the ground, refusing Turkey control of more Syrian territory not already included in the “Astana deal”, which conceded Turkey temporary jurisdiction in the region of Idlib. Russia believes there should be a natural handover of the Kurdish-controlled areas to the Syrian Army following US withdrawal.
Damascus and Tehran are adamant in this case: only Syrian forces should replace US troops in al-Hasaka province.
Moreover, Damascus forces are still based in Qamishli and can easily take over control of all positions when the US withdraw its occupation forces from northeastern Syria. Already there are observation points (villages) under the control of the Syrian Army, some with Russian observers, in different villages around Manbij. These represent a clear message to Ankara that no troops can cross without Russian agreement, otherwise they will be bombed and attacked. The control of Manbij is a game changer and a clear indication that the government of Damascus will take control of al-Hasaka province to concentrate later on Idlib, after the US withdrawal, with the help of Moscow.
Russia has called for an important meeting between presidential envoys, Foreign and Defence ministers and heads of intelligence services of both Russia and Turkey this Saturday in Moscow to talk about the US withdrawal and the role of each side. Another meeting (not yet final) is scheduled between Turkey, Russia and Iran in Moscow in a few weeks. The aim is to prevent any split between these leaders that could be triggered by the US withdrawal from occupied Syria.
Damascus rejected the presence of the local Kurdish administration on its side and agreed to disarm the Kurds, a Turkish and Syrian request, after defeating ISIS.I
ndeed, the Kurds will help the Syrian army fight ISIS along the Euphrates river where a battle is expected to begin soon to end ISIS control of the area. As ISIS no longer enjoys US protection, the end of its occupation of a part of Syrian territory is near.
During negotiations with Russia, Turkey argued that the US might not allow the Syrian forces to move in. Turkey claimed that any changes to the deal established between Trump and Erdogan might alter the US decision to withdraw. Damascus and Tehran are indeed eager to see US troops gone from Syria, but not to deliver the area to Turkey. Russia supported Damascus on this position."
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YPG statement: https://twitter.com/DefenseUnits/sta...73294402588672
Ankara was indeed afraid that its unilateral decision to move into the Kurdish controlled area might trigger Russian intervention against its proxies (Euphrates Sheild, Jaish al-Islam, al-Hamza brigade, Ahrar al-Sharqiya and others), and might also lead Iranians to arm the Kurds and the Arab tribes in the province to prevent any further annexation of Syrian territory. The Turkish forces and their proxies currently occupying Jarablus, al-Bab, Afrin and Idlib, are unwilling to engage in a doomed war against the Syrian army, supported by Russia and Iran.
Turkey seems willing to accommodate Russia and Iran – the Turkish army and its Syrian proxies will never be able to cross the 500 kilometres from Manbij to Deir-ezzour where the richest area of oil and gas is. This area is only tens of kilometres distant from the closest Syrian Army position on the other side of the Euphrates river.
Russia asked Damascus and Tehran to lay down a strategy and coordinate with the Russian military to put forward a plan of action and a road map after US withdrawal, with the first priority of eliminating ISIS and avoiding any clash with Turkey if possible. The situation was very sensitive and complicated between these allies. With the return of Manbij, the situation seems to favour Syrian unity, marking the end of its partition or of any possible buffer zone.
Tehran believes the US won’t permanently leave the Levant and Mesopotamia without leaving unrest behind. This gives its officials an additional motivation to lobby the Iraqi parliament for a US withdrawal from Iraq.
There is no doubt that Iraq is a close ally of Iran and not a fanatic supporter of the US. The Iraqi parliament can exert pressure over the government of Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi to ask President Trump to pull out US troops before the end of his mandate in 2020. The US establishment and the “Axis of the Resistance” can both connive and plan, but the last word will belong to the people of Iraq and to those who reject US hegemony in the Middle East, those who can accept losses and nurse their wounds in hopes of a better future.
https://ejmagnier.com/2018/12/28/the...-iraq-is-next/
Not even an issue. The US could bury Turkey financially and the turkish dictator knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
The point is that Baldy orange cunto hasn't got a clue what he's doing as usual.
So this is just a long winded way of saying that dumbass baldy orange cunto is handing the Lebanon-Iran crescent to the Shi'a. Israel will be so chuffed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
:rofl:
Better them than the Hans, Huns, Nips or faggots, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Constant, persistent talking and deal making wins the day/year.
January 2018:
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January 2019:
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/1...year-2018.html
Syria’s Assad authorizes Iraqi forces to strike IS in Syria
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DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — Syrian President Bashar Assad authorized Iraqi forces on Sunday to attack the Islamic State group inside Syria without waiting for permission from authorities in Damascus, the state news agency SANA said, as the two allies coordinate their fight against extremists ahead of a planned U.S. withdrawal from Syria.
The announcement highlights the close relations between the two neighboring Arab countries that are both allied with Iran. IS once controlled large parts of both countries when it declared a caliphate in 2014.
Iraqi warplanes and artillery have in the past pounded IS positions inside Syria after getting the green light from Syrian authorities.
The extremists have been defeated in Iraq but still hold a small area in Syria close to the Iraqi border.
On Saturday Assad received a letter from Iraq’s Prime Minister Abdul-Mahdi calling for both countries’ coordination in “fighting terrorism.”"
https://apnews.com/168b04e1c2fe4f3fa1b3a599a6b7b9ca
:iagree: However, I'm curious to know how you manage to freely post such controversial comments on TD,...Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
yet TB get a barrage of :yell: complaints (to the forum "moderators"), for posting w/ the exact same wording? Hmm? :cool2:
:iagree: So, what else id news? The Turks have been arbitrarily murdering the Kurds, since long before the end of the Ottoman Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Have the so-called Yankee "good guys" ever stood-up (just once) and "publically" condemned/intervened, on behalf of the Kurdish people? That's a rhetorical question,...of course...:cool2: