They have "official" twitter accounts and approved third parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
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They have "official" twitter accounts and approved third parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
But you have to find them first. So far US and UK intelligence services have been unable to link Abedi directly to IS.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
There are sources claiming that the other man arrested is his brother.
The French have linked him to IS, much to the annoyance of the British. The US also appears to be bent on fucking up the investigation in their race to get some headline time too.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaBut you have to find them first. So far US and UK intelligence services have been unable to link Abedi directly to IS.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...cert-live-newsQuote:
The frustration of the security services with the American leaks was obvious on Tuesday, with the leak of the name of the Manchester killer and other details while the investigation was still live.
And on Wednesday Home Secretary Rudd said: “The British police have been very clear that they want to control the flow of information in order to protect operational integrity, the element of surprise. So it is irritating if it gets released from other sources and I have been very clear with our friends that should not happen again.”
The irritation would have turned to despair with the French interior minister, Gerard Collomb, on Wednesday, revealing further details of British intelligence on television. He let it be known not only that Salman Abedi had recently been to Libya, but may also have been in Syria.
The police and security services usually have good reasons for not disclosing information immediately to the media as they accumulate it.
One of the main reasons is that it is helpful when investigating a suspect’s network of family, friends and colleagues not to alert them by disclosing the name. So it was awkward for the police when the Abedi was revealed by US officials in Washington to American journalists two hours before they disclosed it to the UK.
Earlier in the day, the security services had no plans to disclose the name that day and may only have done so because of the Americans.
There are other reasons. They do not to reveal to those they are hunting - and their opponents in general - the extent of the information they hold and, sometimes, the techniques they use for gaining that information.
On a purely practical level, the police would have preferred time searching the home of Abedi and speaking to neighbours without the media descending on the location after the US released the name.
One of the basic tenets of intelligence sharing is that other agencies do not disclose it. The problem is that those intelligence agencies, whether the US or French, pass it upwards to their presidents, prime ministers and departmental ministers. In the past, that secrecy was usually respected.
But in quick succession, Donald Trump revealed to Russia information obtained by Israeli intelligence from a Middle East source, the US revealed UK intelligence about Abedi and now the French have done so too.
The temptation for the UK police and intelligence services would be to stop sharing some of that intelligence. But the UK relies so heavily on sharing of intelligence from the US and also benefits from intelligence, especially on counter-terrorism, from European colleagues such as France and Germany.
As well as certain forums and open-access sites like archive.org (world's premier source of videos of bearded men pointing fingers skywards and ranting) they most often use Telegram. That's where IS released their notice taking responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaThey have "official" twitter accounts and approved third parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...9/isis-eng.jpg
https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...11319/isis.jpg
jesus christ, we are really losing that war
all started by silly Americans,
This is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaimeme
You can't keep killing Muslims wantonly and invading their homes and land and not expect reprisals.
When BNP skinhead nutters torch a mosque next week in retaliation, they are exactly the same as these ISIS nutters who are retaliating for a thousand drone strikes in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Iraq etc.
The difference is the Muslims were slaughtered by Western governments.
Trump has just announced his budget; Reductions in foreign aid, environmental issues and domestic welfare but an increase in military spending.
Does anyone think that is the way forward?
If the US or Britain wanted to parley, they could and would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
British, actually. Over a century ago, but more recently around 70 years ago by allowing European refugees to overtake Palestine and by partitioning India.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Certainly exacerbated by the US over the last 50 years with their thirst for oil and global influence (proxy empire).
Muslims slaughtered each other on a far grander scale, more than 11,000,000 Muslim on Muslim deaths since 1948.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
At that rate, how many years before they wipe each other out? :bananaman:
If we isolate the cwnts and don't let any more into our countries, they'll have to either, get organized and sort themselves out peaceably, or get organized and try a direct world takeover bid, or they'll just slowly bomb the fwk out of themselves over a couple of hundred years.
Given their propensity for breeding with close relatives, their collective average IQ, already at a low of around 85 will drop even further, and they'll probably commit suicide by various ingenious means, at an ever increasing rate, as well as become less capable of producing viable offspring.
The odds are, that without outside humanitarian aid, they'll become extinct.
:rofl:
Place your bets here. :)
I'll take anything ya got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
What odds would ya like?
:smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
I'm laughing too...:)
We could help them along by giving them more guns to play with,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMMrPoBq0M
^the ameristanis and their vassals provide them with far more.
Where do you suggest you return the British born to? How far back do you go back, 1999, 1945, 1918, 1546, 1215, the birth of your christian saviour?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Some policemen have been pointing out for years of their inability, due to government spending cuts and lack of resources, to protect the many. Of course charlie and his family have their private planes, politicians are assigned security, the 0.001% have their paid for assassins. It's just Joe and Jane taxpayer who are considered acceptable collateral damage.
Get selling your arse to all and become PM, riches and security until death.
You may wish to investigate the alleged "culprits" background, his father, what the alleged "culprit" and his brothers have been doing in Libya for a number of years. Which "organisations" they have been working for.
You know due diligence or do you wish to purchase the true bones of John the Baptist, I have a few samples left. Guaranteed to protect you from all evil bastards.
Even the UK MSM are now questioning the "Official Story". But of course it doesn't fit your racist views.
It is refreshing to here a clear statement from one of the oranage mans military informing the world of the duplicity of the forked tongued .
Last week we saw a deadly attack on Syrian Government forces in the south of Syria. The local ameristani commander had, allegedly from his senior offices mouth, used his discretion to commit illegal war crimes, both ameristani and as described in the UN charter. The reason for the attack was described as protecting some form of ameristani zone/soldiers inside Syria. The Syrian forces stopped, took a few videos, and then continued on their journey.
Two days ago another ameristani military person, now given carte blanche to act in anyway he desires, by the orange man, gave a press interview.
Russia's no-fly zones in Syria aren't a problem, says US air commander
Russia's no-fly zones in Syria aren't a problem, says US air commander
"The top U.S. general running the air war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria says Russian-declared no-fly zones are not restricting where the U.S.-led coalition can fly its warplanes as it targets the terror group.
"We don't recognize any specific zone in itself that we preclude ourselves from operating in," said Air Force Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian, commander of U.S. Air Forces Central Command. "Wherever the enemy's at, wherever they present themselves, we're going to get after them."
""This strike should make it clear to all that coalition air power will be used when our ground forces are threatened," Harrigian said."
Ground forces illegally in a foreign country will be targeted. Any other choice is an aberration of the governments elected duties. Possibly the coalition forces inside Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan .......have just committed suicide.
That's not a monkey, that's an ape.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Finally! Your research has come in handy...Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPrimateBob
That's exactly what Saddam did to maintain power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
And it's exactly what the Shi'a did to the Sunni in Iraq, which is what started Islamic State there well before Syria fell to bits.
Gunmen have attacked a bus carrying Coptic Christians in central Egypt, killing at least 23 people and wounding 25 others, state media report.
The bus was heading towards the Monastery of St Samuel the Confessor in Minya province, about 220km (140 miles) south Cairo, when it came under fire. No group immediately said it was behind the attack. But Islamic State (IS) militants have targeted Copts several times in recent months, and vowed to do so again. Two suicide bombings at churches in the northern cities of Alexandria and Tanta on 9 April left 46 people dead.
Egypt Coptic Christians killed in bus attack - BBC News
Will barely get a mention in the Western media of course.
Yep. 23 dead brown folks in Egypt not near as news worthy as 22 in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
We need pictures of little brown girls being napalmed at a wedding party to grab some bodys attention, or not. The girl running on the Vietnamese road didn't stay in many peoples memory for long.
https://teakdoor.com/data:image/jpeg;...d/tI+EJFyD/9k=https://teakdoor.com/data:image/jpeg;...lSQCAaVKlQf//Zhttps://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2017/05/1603.jpg
disagree: it's one of the most haunting photos of the war...Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Who on earth could think that picture has not stayed in the memory?
It's one of the best-remembered photographs ever taken.
There are documentaries based on that single shot, and the 'girl' in the photo has written a book.
:confused:
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Originally Posted by tomcat
Enough to change ameristan and it's vassals methods?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
Disagree as well, it's never been forgotten by anyone who saw it, and is one of the iconic images of the Vietnam War.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
I'm guessing the original source for that("ISIS has taken responsibility") was Rita Katz/"SITE Intelligence"Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
https://twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/866814432843845632
The corporate alphabet news agencies in the US lap her 'info' up like mother's milk...
got a shot of her tits?...Quote:
Originally Posted by SKkin
The Americans we're wrong all the way, but she fled the comminists and emigrated to Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
The Vietnamese communists treated her terrible after 1975.
thanks for asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2017/05/1706.jpg
The picture was first rejected to be published, Wikipedia of the AP photograph Nick Ut says:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Ut
Before delivering his film with the Kim Phúc photo, he took her to the hospital. The publication of the photo was delayed due to the AP bureau's debate about transmitting a naked girl's photo over the wire:
...an editor at the AP rejected the photo of Kim Phuc running down the road without clothing because it showed frontal nudity. Pictures of nudes of all ages and sexes, and especially frontal views were an absolute no-no at the Associated Press in 1972...Horst argued by telex with the New York head-office that an exception must be made, with the compromise that no close-up of the girl Kim Phuc alone would be transmitted. The New York photo editor, Hal Buell, agreed that the news value of the photograph overrode any reservations about nudity.
I have seen a documentary (French) with Nic Ut, where he said it was not the "nudity" but rather a political "embarrassment", so AP were afraid to publish it. It was a lot of bickering around it with many people involved. It had not been much left and the photo would never be shown to world.
Where did you get that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc
Phúc was removed from her university as a young adult studying medicine and used as a propaganda symbol by the communist government of Vietnam. In 1986, however, she was granted permission to continue her studies in Cuba. She had converted from her family's Cao Đài religion to Christianity four years earlier.[18] Prime Minister of Vietnam Phạm Văn Đồng became her friend and patron.
Kim Phúc and her family were residents of the village of Trang Bang, South Vietnam. On June 8, 1972, South Vietnamese planes dropped a napalm bomb on Trang Bang, which had been attacked and occupied by North Vietnamese forces.
Audio tapes of President Richard Nixon, in conversation with his chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman in 1972, reveal that Nixon mused "I'm wondering if that was fixed" after seeing the photograph
Rev. John Plummer, a Vietnam veteran, who believed he took part in coordinating the air strike with the South Vietnamese Air Force (though Plummer's entire chain of command and declassified documents indicate otherwise[24]) met with Phúc briefly and was publicly forgiven. Plummer later admitted to The Baltimore Sun he had "lied", saying he was "caught up in the emotion at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the day Phuc spoke".[25][26] Canadian filmmaker, Shelley Saywell, made a documentary about their meeting.
One of the most famous photos ever. Some posters here clearly live on a different planet to the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaDisagree as well, it's never been forgotten by anyone who saw it, and is one of the iconic images of the Vietnam War.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
The original source wasnt SITE. As usual it was one of the IS channels on Telegram. SITE get their stuff from the same sources and make a fortune selling it to the media but only an idiot would think SITE were the original source.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKkin
Fine, whatever floats your boat Dr....actually some of the 'news' agencies have learned not to give credit to SITE as an original source as they used to in the past.( But they're still using SITE info. I think they got burned on some of the green screen beheading videos.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Like for instance(in the past) in the Brussels attack.
Brussels attacks: ISIS claims responsibility; photo issued for suspect after attacks at Zaventem airport, Maelbeek Metro station - CBS News
SITE usually provides the first English translations...which is why I'm calling them an original source.Quote:
The communique was published in Arabic and French, and an English translation was provide by the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors jihadi websites.
So lets see in the present if SITE is/was mentioned anywhere for the Manchester bombing...
Manchester Bombing Suspect Identified, US Officials Say; ISIS Claims Responsibility
https://infoforyour.com/isis-support...icide-bombing/Quote:
The Islamic State did not give any details about the attacker or how the blast was carried out late Monday. Its statement was posted on the online messaging service Telegram and later noted by the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant websites.
ISIS Claims Responsibility for Manchester AttackQuote:
Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence Group, tweeted, “No claim regarding blasting in Manchester, but ISIS accounts celebrating the attack, disseminating media and threats.”
ISIS Claims Responsibility For Manchester Terrorist Attack | Time.comQuote:
In a post monitored by SITE intelligence analysts , the website declared that a “soldier of the caliphate” was responsible for the attack.
Manchester Bombing Suspect Identified | GlamourQuote:
1) BREAKING: #ISIS claims responsibility for attack at #ManchesterArena concert pic.twitter.com/SHEJ61EjKuAn image of ISIS' statement was shared on Twitter by Rita Katz, Director of SITE Intelligence Group, a company that tracks the online activity of white supremacist and jihadist organizations. In another tweet, Katz said that ISIS released instructions on how to manufacture a bomb in November.
- Rita Katz (@Rita_Katz) May 23, 20174)Following up on reports of potential suicideboming, #ISIS officially released detailed instructions on how to make a home-made bomb inNov pic.twitter.com/RIfrhV2nXq
- Rita Katz (@Rita_Katz) May 23, 2017
Father and Brother of Manchester Bomber Arrested in Libya (1) - SFGateQuote:
The SITE Intelligence Group published a translated statement calling those killed in the attack "crusaders" and threatening further violence. However, it's still not clear how ISIS may actually be connected to the bombing. Law enforcement officials in Britain have said that one man detonated the bomb in a suicide attack, and they have arrested a 23-year old in connection with the incident. Investigators are still working to find out whether this is an isolated attack or the person responsible was working with a broader group.
What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack? | NPR & Houston Public MediaQuote:
Islamic State claimed the Manchester attack in a short message in Arabic and English posted on the online messaging service Telegram and picked up by the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant websites. It did not give any details about the attacker, or how the blast was carried out, leading some analysts to question the extent of the militant group’s involvement.
Islamic State Claims Responsibility For Manchester Bombing - One News PageQuote:
The other route is more direct though less common: The Islamic State issues a statement itself, with no intermediary. The Nashir Media Foundation is considered the official ISIS channel, and its statements are considered to come directly from the group, said Rita Katz, the director of the SITE Intelligence Group.
"When these claims show up, it's an indication of the role that ISIS played," she said.
Katz also said she saw a flood of communication among ISIS supporters shortly after Monday night's attack in Manchester, England, reminiscent of other large ISIS attacks. That was a strong signal to her that ISIS was directly behind the bombing.
On Tuesday, as she expected, ISIS issued its own statement, strengthening her belief that it was directly involved. The Amaq News Agency followed shortly afterward with a bulletin of its own.
Either way, outlets like the Long War Journal and SITE Intelligence Group monitor what's being posted. When a claim has been made, they'll translate it and publish it online.
Are you seeing a pattern yet? From all these supposedly independent sources. :rolleyes:Quote:
According to AP, there was no immediate claim of responsibility. Online, supporters of the extremist Islamic State group, which holds territory in Iraq's Mosul and around its de facto capital in the Syrian city of Raqqa, celebrated the blast. One wrote: "May they taste what the weak people in Mosul and (Raqqa) experience from their being bombed and burned," according to the U.S.-based SITE Intelligence Group.
Agenda driven 'News'...
:spin:
^I'm guessing you don't read Arabic or know how to access IS media. All SITE does is translate and sell to a media that also can't read Arabic. SITE don't originate anything, as is clearly stated in your own post, the NPR quote. Are you another one who doesn't actually read what he posts?
The notifications I posted above came directly from al-furqan media, do you know who they are? What about al-Hayat media foundation, are you familiar with their product? Do you listen to al bayan?
I guess if the media wasn't so interested in pushing an agenda(in which SITE fits in perfectly) they'd get off their collective asses and get some real translators wouldn't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
al-qaeda's cousins?:rolleyes: Saudis?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Official IS media, which you'd know if you knew anything at all about this subject. Back in your box, you silly little man.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKkin