Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Originally Posted by tomcat

limited reading skills in English..

I'm having a little trouble with this:

Originally Posted by tomcat

...care to list who you shares your cave?...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

"Recognized" by who?

Good question.

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Originally Posted by misskit (What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?)
any recognized news outlet ...

e.g. Daily Mail
North Korea could hit its enemies with plague and smallpox | Daily Mail Online

Originally Posted by SKkin

I'm having a little trouble with this:

Originally Posted by tomcat
...care to list who you shares your cave?...

my cavespeak is rusty...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

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e.g. Daily Mail
North Korea could hit its enemies with plague and smallpox | Daily Mail Online

You got me there. Daily Mail is trashy "news."

Originally Posted by misskit

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

I am presuming the rankings are decided to suit ones advertisers or funders. Mainly western for both. Not that that would be a conflict of moral judgement.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Good question.

All mine are obvious, as I post links. Some here have little to say, and even less to advance their own views.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I am presuming the rankings are decided to suit ones advertisers or funders. Mainly western for both. Not that that would be a conflict of moral judgement.

What are you basing that presumption on?

Originally Posted by OhOh

The link went to a "trusted companies rankins" table, the companies link also has an opportunity to view the companies "advertisers and funders".

In business, unless you are bringing home "the bacon", ones employment is pretty insecure. The "bacon" can be many things.

Or are you suggesting ones reputation, as a writer or photographer, cannot be destroyed in an instant? Not many professions offer tenure and even those that do, can be easily "terminated".

What the hell are you on about? Are you on drugs? There is no "trusted companies ranking". Did you get presented with an ad and your peanut-like brain suffered an overload?

Defeat of Islamic State in Raqqa may herald wider struggle for U.S.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The defeat of Islamic State in its de facto capital Raqqa may only be the start of a wider struggle by the United States to contain any insurgency launched by the militant group and to stabilize the region, as Washington struggles to define a comprehensive strategy in Syria.

U.S.-backed militias declared victory over Islamic State in Raqqa on Tuesday, raising flags over the last jihadist footholds after a four-month battle. The Sunni militant group often referred to as ISIS, overran Raqqa in January 2014, seizing control from rebel factions opposed to the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.


“While recapturing Raqqa is important symbolically, talk about almost a pyrrhic victory,” said Bilal Saab, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute. “Addressing the economic, political grievances of the Sunnis so that another ISIS doesn’t come about will be as important as the military fight.”


Raqqa was the first big city Islamic State captured, before its rapid series of victories in Iraq and Syria brought millions of people under the rule of its self-declared caliphate, which passed laws and issued passports and money.


Islamic State has lost much of its territory in Syria and Iraq this year, including its most prized possession, the Iraqi city of Mosul. In Syria, it has been forced back into a strip of the Euphrates valley and surrounding desert.


Middle East analysts said that among the wide array of problems exposed after Islamic State’s ouster from Raqqa were where to find money to help rebuild the shattered city, how to support fledgling local government in the face of a likely insurgency and how to keep Assad, backed by Iran and Russia, from trying to regain control.


“The real challenge is that ISIS will turn into a vengeful ghost, will try to stalk and to wreak havoc on the post-conflict security and governance and administration in order to undermine the U.S. and its partners,” said Nick Heras of the Center for a New American Security.


A U.S. State Department official said Washington remained committed to a peace process in Geneva and supported the “broadest possible group of Syrian representatives in those discussions.”


The official said that the United States and allies would continue to provide humanitarian assistance and support efforts to stabilize areas freed from Islamic State rule “to include continuing the removal of IEDs and other explosives ... restoring basic services and refurbishing schools.”


The official said the U.S. goals included “supporting local governing bodies that are representative of the area, civilian-led, and credible in the eyes of the populations.”


Assad’s use of force to crush an initially peaceful uprising against his family’s more than four-decade rule triggered the country’s civil war in 2011. The conflict helped create a vacuum that Islamic State eventually filled by seizing parts of Syria. Russia stepped in with military support for Assad in 2015.


“The greatest challenge for Raqqa and local Syrian partners that are trying to rebuild Raqqa is the ambiguity of Trump administration Syria policy,” Heras said.


“A signal needs to be sent that the U.S. intends to keep a residual force in the areas that it has conquered from ISIS in order to oversee the stabilization mission and to have the broader, publicly unstated aim, to constrain Iran’s ability to reconquer all of the country in the name of Assad,” he said.


Several analysts said the United States does not appear to have a durable strategy to stabilize the region, let alone to revive the moribund U.N. talks in Geneva aimed at ending the civil war.


“We’ve captured and lost cities before,” said Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican. “This victory underscores the need for a comprehensive Syria strategy.”


A U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity said “If the Russians truly want to ... have something that will really put Syria back together, we will see if they are willing to return to the Geneva process.”


Saab, of the Middle East Institute, suggested U.S. influence in Syria may be too slight to shape events.


“Our investment has always been and will always be quite limited,” he said. “We have ceded the terrain to Russia and the Iranians and it’s almost too late now, for us, to get involved effectively, you have to have some skin in the game.”






Defeat of Islamic State in Raqqa may herald wider struggle for U.S. | Reuters

Defeat of Islamic State in Raqqa may herald wider struggle for U.S.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The defeat of Islamic State in its de facto capital Raqqa may only be the start of a wider struggle by the United States to contain any insurgency launched by the militant group and to stabilize the region, as Washington struggles to define a comprehensive strategy in Syria.

U.S.-backed militias declared victory over Islamic State in Raqqa on Tuesday, raising flags over the last jihadist footholds after a four-month battle. The Sunni militant group often referred to as ISIS, overran Raqqa in January 2014, seizing control from rebel factions opposed to the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.


“While recapturing Raqqa is important symbolically, talk about almost a pyrrhic victory,” said Bilal Saab, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute. “Addressing the economic, political grievances of the Sunnis so that another ISIS doesn’t come about will be as important as the military fight.”


Raqqa was the first big city Islamic State captured, before its rapid series of victories in Iraq and Syria brought millions of people under the rule of its self-declared caliphate, which passed laws and issued passports and money.


Islamic State has lost much of its territory in Syria and Iraq this year, including its most prized possession, the Iraqi city of Mosul. In Syria, it has been forced back into a strip of the Euphrates valley and surrounding desert.


Middle East analysts said that among the wide array of problems exposed after Islamic State’s ouster from Raqqa were where to find money to help rebuild the shattered city, how to support fledgling local government in the face of a likely insurgency and how to keep Assad, backed by Iran and Russia, from trying to regain control.


“The real challenge is that ISIS will turn into a vengeful ghost, will try to stalk and to wreak havoc on the post-conflict security and governance and administration in order to undermine the U.S. and its partners,” said Nick Heras of the Center for a New American Security.


A U.S. State Department official said Washington remained committed to a peace process in Geneva and supported the “broadest possible group of Syrian representatives in those discussions.”


The official said that the United States and allies would continue to provide humanitarian assistance and support efforts to stabilize areas freed from Islamic State rule “to include continuing the removal of IEDs and other explosives ... restoring basic services and refurbishing schools.”


The official said the U.S. goals included “supporting local governing bodies that are representative of the area, civilian-led, and credible in the eyes of the populations.”


Assad’s use of force to crush an initially peaceful uprising against his family’s more than four-decade rule triggered the country’s civil war in 2011. The conflict helped create a vacuum that Islamic State eventually filled by seizing parts of Syria. Russia stepped in with military support for Assad in 2015.


“The greatest challenge for Raqqa and local Syrian partners that are trying to rebuild Raqqa is the ambiguity of Trump administration Syria policy,” Heras said.


“A signal needs to be sent that the U.S. intends to keep a residual force in the areas that it has conquered from ISIS in order to oversee the stabilization mission and to have the broader, publicly unstated aim, to constrain Iran’s ability to reconquer all of the country in the name of Assad,” he said.


Several analysts said the United States does not appear to have a durable strategy to stabilize the region, let alone to revive the moribund U.N. talks in Geneva aimed at ending the civil war.


“We’ve captured and lost cities before,” said Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican. “This victory underscores the need for a comprehensive Syria strategy.”


A U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity said “If the Russians truly want to ... have something that will really put Syria back together, we will see if they are willing to return to the Geneva process.”


Saab, of the Middle East Institute, suggested U.S. influence in Syria may be too slight to shape events.


“Our investment has always been and will always be quite limited,” he said. “We have ceded the terrain to Russia and the Iranians and it’s almost too late now, for us, to get involved effectively, you have to have some skin in the game.”






Defeat of Islamic State in Raqqa may herald wider struggle for U.S. | Reuters

Originally Posted by DrB0b

There is no "trusted companies ranking".

RWB is not considered a trusted company by yourself? If not why do you believe their paid for opinion?

From RWB web site their "supporters page;

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A few who are "nameable" and want to be kept happy and whose input is sought to clarify "editorial" stance.

Originally Posted by misskit

“The real challenge is that ISIS will turn into a vengeful ghost, will try to stalk and to wreak havoc on the post-conflict security and governance and administration in order to undermine the U.S. and its partners,” said Nick Heras of the Center for a New American Security.

I'm sure new transport to new homes, weapons, wives and training have already been earmarked for the "displaced" amersitani/it's vassals exceptional throat slitters. I believe SE Asian, Myanamar, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia will be requiring some "incidents" to enable the "Governments" to rush to allow the same throat slitters backers aceess into their locale. Afghansistan needs some more as well.

if the above is not available I'm sure one of the supporters "security services will assist in the wreaking of havoc, once again.

Originally Posted by misskit

“We’ve captured and lost cities before,” said Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican. “This victory underscores the need for a comprehensive Syria strategy.”

Good timing eh, let's start to discuss and plan what we need to do next week.

A current ameristani unelected government official has suggested "all foreign fighters go home", from Iraq, Syria and any other place he can think of. One wonders if the ameristani and vassals forces will be the first to leave from their illegal occupation of the bombed back to the stone age countries. One wonders where he believes the Iraqi and Syrian Shai/Sunni/Christian/Kurdish militias, consider "home".

The crusader coalition does have some previous regarding pulling up sticks from previous failed massacres. Unfortunately, for the local men, women and children, the affect was to increase the throat slitting. The ameristanis however managed to maintain the immoral chaos, which may have been their intended goal. The unexceptional killing machine looks for more bloody bites from our defenceless brown brothers and sisters "over there", to inflate it's delusional financial bubble a little while longer

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close"

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close" | Zero Hedge

"One week after we reported that the head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard (which two weeks ago was designated by the US as a terrorist organization), Qassem Soleimani, was observed in Erbil last Sunday where he met with Kurdistan regional president Barzani to "discuss" the growing crisis - the latest indication of Iran's surging influence in the region - and just days before Iraq sent in troops assisted by Iranian militia into Iraq's Kurdish region, which promptly regained control over the oil-rich Kirkuk region, on Sunday Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Iranian "militias" need to leave Iraq as the fight against Islamic State militants was coming to an end. “Certainly Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fighting against (the Islamic State group) is coming to a close, those militias need to go home,” Tillerson said during a press conference in Riyadh, where the U.S. diplomat is holding talks with top Gulf officials. "All foreign fighters need to go home,” he added hopefully, quoted by NRT. "

An ameristani government agency has admitted that it's own trained, paid for, armed, fed and patched up throat slitters have, are and will continue to utilise among other weapons of terror, CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...l-warning.html

Announced via their own travel advisory:

Syria Travel Warning

Last Updated: October 18, 2017




"Tactics of ISIS, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, and other violent extremist groups include the use of suicide bombers, kidnapping, small and heavy arms, improvised explosive devices, and chemical weapons. They have targeted major city centers, road checkpoints, border crossings, government buildings, shopping areas, and open spaces, in Damascus, Aleppo, Hamah, Dara, Homs, Idlib, and Dayr al-Zawr provinces. These groups have murdered and kidnapped U.S. citizens, both for ransom and political purposes; in some instances U.S. citizens have disappeared within Syria."

No mention in the Iraqi country travel page. Obviously whilst criss-crossing or being air lifted by ameristani and it's vassals aircraft, the Syrian/Iraqi border the throat slitters and their CW "trainers and suppliers" sign a document agreeing to either use CW or not, depending on their direction of travel.

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Originally Posted by tomcat

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He is the current head of the forum whackjob community you know.

^oh...perhaps I shouldn't laugh at the handicapped...

Originally Posted by OhOh

A current ameristani unelected government official has suggested "all foreign fighters go home", from Iraq, Syria and any other place he can think of. One wonders if the ameristani and vassals forces will be the first to leave from their illegal occupation of the bombed back to the stone age countries. One wonders where he believes the Iraqi and Syrian Shai/Sunni/Christian/Kurdish militias, consider "home".

The crusader coalition does have some previous regarding pulling up sticks from previous failed massacres. Unfortunately, for the local men, women and children, the affect was to increase the throat slitting. The ameristanis however managed to maintain the immoral chaos, which may have been their intended goal. The unexceptional killing machine looks for more bloody bites from our defenceless brown brothers and sisters "over there", to inflate it's delusional financial bubble a little while longer

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close"

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close" | Zero Hedge

"One week after we reported that the head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard (which two weeks ago was designated by the US as a terrorist organization), Qassem Soleimani, was observed in Erbil last Sunday where he met with Kurdistan regional president Barzani to "discuss" the growing crisis - the latest indication of Iran's surging influence in the region - and just days before Iraq sent in troops assisted by Iranian militia into Iraq's Kurdish region, which promptly regained control over the oil-rich Kirkuk region, on Sunday Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Iranian "militias" need to leave Iraq as the fight against Islamic State militants was coming to an end. “Certainly Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fighting against (the Islamic State group) is coming to a close, those militias need to go home,” Tillerson said during a press conference in Riyadh, where the U.S. diplomat is holding talks with top Gulf officials. "All foreign fighters need to go home,” he added hopefully, quoted by NRT. "

Sad that they still don't realise Iran didn't enter Iraq for Ameristani convenience.

Originally Posted by OhOh

A current ameristani unelected government official has suggested "all foreign fighters go home", from Iraq, Syria and any other place he can think of. One wonders if the ameristani and vassals forces will be the first to leave from their illegal occupation of the bombed back to the stone age countries. One wonders where he believes the Iraqi and Syrian Shai/Sunni/Christian/Kurdish militias, consider "home".

The crusader coalition does have some previous regarding pulling up sticks from previous failed massacres. Unfortunately, for the local men, women and children, the affect was to increase the throat slitting. The ameristanis however managed to maintain the immoral chaos, which may have been their intended goal. The unexceptional killing machine looks for more bloody bites from our defenceless brown brothers and sisters "over there", to inflate it's delusional financial bubble a little while longer

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close"

Tillerson Demands Iran "Militias" Leave Iraq As Fighting Against ISIS "Comes To A Close" | Zero Hedge

"One week after we reported that the head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard (which two weeks ago was designated by the US as a terrorist organization), Qassem Soleimani, was observed in Erbil last Sunday where he met with Kurdistan regional president Barzani to "discuss" the growing crisis - the latest indication of Iran's surging influence in the region - and just days before Iraq sent in troops assisted by Iranian militia into Iraq's Kurdish region, which promptly regained control over the oil-rich Kirkuk region, on Sunday Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Iranian "militias" need to leave Iraq as the fight against Islamic State militants was coming to an end. “Certainly Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fighting against (the Islamic State group) is coming to a close, those militias need to go home,” Tillerson said during a press conference in Riyadh, where the U.S. diplomat is holding talks with top Gulf officials. "All foreign fighters need to go home,” he added hopefully, quoted by NRT. "

While you have a valid point about American hypocrisy, Tillerson did also clarify that he wants Iraqi non-governmental forces to either integrate into the Iraqi army or to go home leaving the armed forces soley under Iraqi government control. And, of course, any foreign fighters should also go home. Perhaps the US will lead by example and go home first.

From the BBC:

British IS fighters 'must be killed', minister says.

The "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria is "in almost every case" to kill them, the minister for international development has said.

Rory Stewart said converts to so-called Islamic State believed in an "extremely hateful doctrine" and had moved away from any allegiance to Britain.

They can expect to be killed because of the "serious danger" they pose to the UK's security, he said.

The government said his comments were in line with the UK's stated position.

Mr Stewart made the remarks after Brett McGurk, a top US envoy for the coalition fighting IS, said his mission was to ensure every foreign fighter in Syria dies there.

Asked about the comments on BBC Radio 5 Live's Pienaar's Politics, Mr Stewart, a former diplomat, said they were "very difficult moral issues".

He said: "They are absolutely dedicated, as members of the Islamic State, towards the creation of a caliphate.

"They believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves, killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an 8th Century, or 7th Century, state.

"So I'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately, the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them."

British IS fighters 'must be killed', minister says - BBC News

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Iraq rebuffs Tillerson call to disband Iran-backed militias

Iraq's prime minister has defended Iran-backed militias, during talks with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson who had criticised their role.

During Mr Tillerson's visit to Baghdad, PM Haider al-Abadi called the fighters the "hope of Iraq and the region".

Mr Tillerson said earlier that the militias should disband, as the fight against the Islamic State militants in Iraq was almost over.

The Shia-led forces were mobilised in fighting against IS in Iraq in 2014.

The militias, known as the Hashd al-Shaabi (Popular Mobilisation, or PM) recently helped Iraqi troops seize the disputed northern city of Kirkuk from Kurdish forces.

Mr Tillerson held talks with Mr Abadi in Baghdad late on Monday, a day after the two men spoke during regional talks in Saudi Arabia.

After that meeting Mr Tillerson told reporters that it was time for the Popular Mobilisation fighters to "go home" now that the battle against IS was "coming to a close".

But during their talks in Baghdad, Mr Abadi said the paramilitaries were Iraqis - not Iranian proxies - and that they "should be encouraged because they will be the hope of country and the region", his office said.

The fighters "defended their country and sacrificed themselves to defeat the Islamic State group", the statement added.


Mr Tillerson (left) met Mr Abadi after flying in from Kabul late on Monday


Iraq rebuffs Tillerson call to disband Iran-backed militias - BBC News

Has Tillerson not yet worked out that Bush essentially handed Iraq to the Shi'a?

Fucking mug.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Perhaps the US will lead by example and go home first.

One suspects it's the Iraqi government, elected by the Iraqi people, who are responsible for requesting which "foreigners" leave and when, no? Or are all that ameristan defines as "foreigners" to be rubblelised, along with their wives, children and goats. When will ameristan determine the criteria of who is a "good" foreigner and who is a "bad" one?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He is the current head of the forum

When do I receive my extra ration of GOLD?

Deir al-Zour: Syrian army 'takes last IS stronghold'

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The Syrian army has retaken Deir al-Zour, the last major stronghold of so-called Islamic State (IS) in Syria, state TV says.


"The city is completely liberated from terrorism," the state TV report said.
Other reports said the Syrian army and its allies were clearing the last pockets of resistance from IS.
IS had held most of the city since 2014. It was of strategic importance to IS because of its proximity to the border with Iraq.


Earlier the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based activist group, said government forces had taken control of the city after weeks of fighting.


The militant group is now confined to just a few pockets in Deir al-Zour province. Some 350,000 civilians in the province have been forced to flee their homes.


Reports say the Syrian army are clearing the last pockets of IS resistance


Last month a US-backed alliance of Syrian fighters pushed IS out of the eastern city of Raqqa, the headquarters of its self-styled "caliphate".


The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and Syrian government forces - which are backed by Russian air strikes and fighters from Lebanon's Hezbollah movement - have been carrying out separate offensives in Deir al-Zour province with the aim of taking control of a key crossing on the border with Iraq.


In some areas the US-backed SDF and Russia-backed Syrian army have taken up positions just a few kilometres apart.


IS has also suffered a series of defeats in recent months to Iraqi government forces, who are advancing along the Euphrates river on the other side of the border.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41856330