The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Neo]

Have we got one of these threads already, well if not.. here we go

Shootings in America are so common that they barely make the news anymore, but we all love a story about how Americans and their passion for guns is such an inevitable combination for carnage and downright stupidity. It makes us feel better about our own lives, as dysfunctional as your life may be, you probably won't get shot anytime soon.

How about this one.. A black guy calls the cops to his own house, and the cops shoot his dog, of course, then shoot him and arrest him before he dies. But the black guy wasn't a ghetto retard, so Newscorp couldn't dig the dirt on him for the daily hate... just not news worthy. Sorry black dude, you didn't fit the profile.

Kevin Davis and his girlfriend, April Edwards, lived on the outskirts of Decatur, GA, a predominantlyblack community just outside Atlanta. Davis, 44, was a longtime employee at Sawicki’s, a sandwich shop located in the more affluent downtown area of Decatur, where Edwards also worked. By all accounts, he was kind-hearted, generous, never late, and a visible contributor to his relatively small community of family, friends and colleagues. It was this very kindness which prompted him to invite Terrance Hilyard, 47, a co-worker in a rough spell, to stay with him and Edwards at their one-bedroom apartment.


Kevin Davis (right) with family.

On Dec. 29, 2014, Hilyard and April Edwards got into an altercation, which quickly escalated. Hilyard stabbed Edwards with a kitchen knife and fled the scene. Davis promptly called 911 for help. DeKalb County Police were dispatched, and Officer Joseph Pitts was first to arrive on scene. Per three witness accounts, Officer Pitts did not announce his arrival or identify himself.

He entered the home to find the couple’s three-legged dog, Tooter, whom he shot and killed. Upon hearing shots, Davis became alarmed that his girlfriend’s assailant might have returned with a gun. He retrieved his own gun, proceeded to the front room of his home and was shot twice by Officer Pitts.

Both Edwards and neighbors on the scene claim they did not hear Officer Pitts order Davis to put down his weapon before hearing gunshots. Police have stated that Davis was told to drop his firearm, and refused to do so. After the shooting, Edwards came out, saying, “What have you done? Why did you shoot him?”

A second officer arrived on the scene. Davis, prone, said he was unable to feel his legs. He was arrested, charged with aggravated assault of a police officer, and transferred to Grady Hospital in downtown Atlanta in police custody.

The family has said they were repeatedly blocked from seeing Davis until they were notified, without condolences, that he had “expired.”

Well of course cops are under pressure and shit happens right.. especially when confronted by a three legged dog, you got to take affirmative action. I mean what to do when feeling threatened, like this 17 year old psycho bitch going into a police brandishing a weapon, she's literally begging to be gunned down by multiple law enforcement officers right..?

On Friday, January 23, 17-year-old student Kristiana Coignard walked into her local police department, picked up a telephone, and asked to speak to an officer. Sometime after that she pulled "a weapon" and was shot and killed by three police officers.

For three days, that's pretty much all the police have said. Refusing to say what type of weapon she brandished, the inference was that it was so lethal a weapon that it must've been a gun or a stick of dynamite or hand grenade, but Longview Mayor Jay Dean just revealed that it wasn't a gun at all, but a knife.

In an article on Think Progress, it was revealed that Kristiana was struggling mightily with mental illness.

Coignard was living in Longview with her Aunt, Heather Robertson. In an interview with ThinkProgress, Robertson raised questions about the circumstances of Coignard’s death. “I think it was a cry for help. I think they could have done something. They are grown men. I think there is something they are not telling us.”Robertson said that her niece had been struggling with mental illness, including depression and bipolar disorder, since her mother died when she was four. She had been hospitalized twice in recent years after suicide attempts. One time, she tried to hang herself. Another time, she drank toilet bowl cleaner. Since arriving in Longview in December, Coignard had been taking medication and regularly seeing a therapist. She had no criminal record and “was only violent with herself, ” Robertson said.

It's hard to believe, no matter what the circumstance, that the only option available to the Longview police department was to shoot Kristiana over and over again.

She was mentally ill and she had a knife, she could have harmed herself... it was a tough call, but it's the police's job to serve and protect. And just what are they putting in baby formula these days?, first we had a kiddie pulling the trigger on a gun and killing his mum in Walmart cos she would buy him more sweeties and now we have another pulling a pistol and shooting his mum and dad, quicker than you can say parmesan stuffed crust, cos he wanted Domino's and they were gonna order Papa John's.

A 3-year-old boy reaching for an iPad in his mother’s purse ended up pulling out a handgun, and shot both his father and pregnant mother at an Albuquerque motel on Saturday

A single bullet hit the boy’s father, Justin Reynolds, in the buttocks, then exited through his hip and hit the boy’s mother, Monique Villescas, in the right shoulder. Villescas’ 2-year-old daughter was sitting next to her at the time of the shooting but was unharmed.

The Albuquerque Police Department believes the shooting was an accident but are reportedly waiting to interview the boy and the 2-year-old girl before determining if anyone needs to be charged.

Reynolds and Villescas were getting ready to order pizza before being shot.

You'd wanna be a fly on the wall in that interview room huh..?

We'll be back very soon with more 'Americans Getting Shot'

[pseudolus]

Kristiana Coignard

In the 3 1/2 minutes the donut muncher was trying to subdue the tiny teen he never thought of cuffing her then? Then three brave cops shoot her (you can see the path of the bullet exiting her dragging the shattered pieces of her vital organs with it by the way.

Donut Muncher 1 is 100% responsible for her death.

[Neo]

That is truly disturbing

[misskit]

Shootings rarely make national news. They are still a big deal locally. To get an idea of who got shot and why, you need to keep up with the local newspapers crime page.

Two newspapers reporting shootings daily are:

The Atlanta Journal Atlanta Crime, Courts and Personal Security | Main Page AJC | www.ajc.com

and the Baltimore Sun Baltimore Crime Beat | Police and court news from the Baltimore, the suburbs and beyond - Baltimore Sun

Just the tip of the iceberg.

[rickschoppers]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discussing brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.

[thaimeme]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discuss brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.

Nothing wrong with a little critique where it rightfully belongs....

It it's bashing, so be it.

Suspicions should be high towards those whom plead apologetic with little or no defences.

[rickschoppers]

^^
Understood, but the anti-American sentiment does get a little old after reading so much of it. If everyone enjoys doing this, maybe we should pick others homelands to discuss like England, Scotland, Wales, Canada or even Australia.

There does seem to be a pecking order here since so many are from the UK. Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically ineffective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

True, I am not a citizen of the UK and may not possess the knowledge to understand monarchy, but then again how many out there truely understand gun ownership in the US?

[thaimeme]

^^
Understood, but the anti-American sentiment does get a little old after reading so much of it. If everyone enjoys doing this, maybe we should pick others homelands to discuss like England, Scotland, Wales, Canada or even Australia.

There does seem to be a pecking order here since so many are from the UK. Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically inefective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

True, I am not a citizen of the UK and may not possess the knowledge to understand monarchy, but then again how many out there truely understand gun ownership in the US?

There is already a natural picking order throughout this forum.
And it's not European/Western.

[Neo]

Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically ineffective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

You start a thread about the Queen and we'll come and join in... probably
this thread is about 'Americans Getting Shot'

[Midfield General]

^^
Understood, but the anti-American sentiment does get a little old after reading so much of it. If everyone enjoys doing this, maybe we should pick others homelands to discuss like England, Scotland, Wales, Canada or even Australia.

There does seem to be a pecking order here since so many are from the UK. Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically ineffective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

True, I am not a citizen of the UK and may not possess the knowledge to understand monarchy, but then again how many out there truely understand gun ownership in the US?

The UK and Australia doesn't have gun massacres' every month. There is not a civilised country on earth that has as many mass killings as America. There is not a civilised country on earth that is as obsessed by gun ownership as America.

[bearbait]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discussing brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.

I'm with you Rick. Oh, & I was an FFL holder for 6 years. I know a bit of what I speak. Don't let the paddywhackery Limeys get ya down.

[rickschoppers]

No problem bearbait. It is too bad those in the UK have allowed the governments tactic to work of programing all citizens to be anti-gun.

[Necron99]

No problem bearbait. It is too bad those in the UK have allowed the governments tactic to work of programing all citizens to be anti-gun.

It could be said Rick, that having been raised in an extreme gun culture Americans, much like those indoctrinated into religions from an early age, are incapable of discussing the issue objectively.
"You aren't American, you can never understand" sounds suspiciously like "Unless you accept Jesus, you will not understand".

[Paddy Whackery]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?.......

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.

I'm with you Rick. Oh, & I was an FFL holder for 6 years. I know a bit of what I speak. Don't let the paddywhackery Limeys get ya down.

I happen to have lived in NYC for 20 years and gun crime was all around, a daily occurrence. So common place, you almost get used to it. I worked in the worst neighborhoods in Brooklyn, including the housing projects. Chinese food delivery guys have been shot dead for $20 or less... Three kids were shot dead on the corner one night just because somebody thought "somebody was looking at him the wrong way"...Mayor Bloomberg tried everything to halt the flow of handguns into the city. It's just one massacre after another and the politicians (read "Congressmen") are either uninterested or unable to do anything about it.

[Davis Knowlton]

How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC.

I am.

And I think American gun laws are beyond stupid.

To allow virtually any American adult without a felony conviction to walk the streets, prowl Walmart, or go grocery shopping while carrying a loaded, concealed handgun - which almost all will barely know how to use - is the height of idiocy.

I can't think of any other country in the world - or at least in what we claim to be the first/civilized world - that allows Bubba the Braindead the right to stick a .44 Magnum in his pants when he goes down to the local diner for his morning coffee.

It's simply a retarded set of laws.

[rickschoppers]

How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC.

I am.

And I think American gun laws are beyond stupid.

To allow virtually any American adult without a felony conviction to walk the streets, prowl Walmart, or go grocery shopping while carrying a loaded, concealed handgun - which almost all will barely know how to use - is the height of idiocy.

I can't think of any other country in the world - or at least in what we claim to be the first/civilized world - that allows Bubba the Braindead the right to stick a .44 Magnum in his pants when he goes down to the local diner for his morning coffee.

It's simply a retarded set of laws.

I do not disagree with you Davis and since you were raised an American, you do know quite a bit more about gun control in America than others being brought up in another country. On the surface, gun control in our homeland appears to be close to what you have stated. You and I know it and we also know there is much much more to the story which is what non-Americans do not take into consideration.

I would be out of my element trying to defend weaknesses in the UK since I was not raised there, which is my point.

[MrG]

How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC.

I am.

And I think American gun laws are beyond stupid.

To allow virtually any American adult without a felony conviction to walk the streets, prowl Walmart, or go grocery shopping while carrying a loaded, concealed handgun - which almost all will barely know how to use - is the height of idiocy.

I can't think of any other country in the world - or at least in what we claim to be the first/civilized world - that allows Bubba the Braindead the right to stick a .44 Magnum in his pants when he goes down to the local diner for his morning coffee.

It's simply a retarded set of laws.

I have to agree with you, Davis. It's impossible to defend the law or the inability for Congress to do anything about it.

[harrybarracuda]

What is the fascination with shootings in America?

I can answer that.

We are fascinated that testosterone-fuelled, pencil-dicked men demand the right to own guns based on some ancient text that not only meant something different but served a different purpose, and are willing to defend it even if the inevitable cost is the death of thousands of innocent people, including children.

If half of the country had 'flu and it was killing that number of people, the same brain-dead rednecks would demand they be locked up until they are no longer a threat.

The Gun Lobby are clueless fucking idiots being fed bullshit by a hugely lucrative industry.

[rickschoppers]

What is the fascination with shootings in America?

I can answer that.

We are fascinated that testosterone-fuelled, pencil-dicked men demand the right to own guns based on some ancient text that not only meant something different but served a different purpose, and are willing to defend it even if the inevitable cost is the death of thousands of innocent people, including children.

If half of the country had 'flu and it was killing that number of people, the same brain-dead rednecks would demand they be locked up until they are no longer a threat.

The Gun Lobby are clueless fucking idiots being fed bullshit by a hugely lucrative industry.

Another example of someone spouting crap about something they know nothing about. Many firearms are owned by upstanding, intelligent citizens but you do show your ignorance on the topic in your statements above.

[Lancelot]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

A lot of miserable guys on Teak Door that only find purpose to their miserable lives by bad mouthing the US...

[helge]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

A lot of miserable guys on Teak Door that only find purpose to their miserable lives by bad mouthing the US...

We only find you exotic. You have your own charm

Please nominate Sarah Palin

[Lancelot]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

A lot of miserable guys on Teak Door that only find purpose to their miserable lives by bad mouthing the US...

We only find you exotic. You have your own charm

Please nominate Sarah Palin

You gotta be kidding me, Sarah Palin? She was out of her depth as Governor of Alaska, let alone POTUS. No matter where you are from, you have your right wing politicians too...

Several of the recent accidental shooting in the US (by kids) is on the parents. WTF were they doing with a loaded weapon in the reach of a two year old? People have forgotten basic weapons training, like NEVER leave a pistol where a child can access it.

If there are too many accidental shootings -which there are- then why don't we also address an even larger menace to society, such as traffic accidents. If the folks that want to dictate how others should live want to be truly progressive, then why not ban automobiles? Tobacco? Alcohol?

Which kills the most people?

Some see any disagreement as "exotic" others see the hypocritical and blatant anti US bias of this web site for what it is...

[FlyFree]

What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

A lot of miserable guys on Teak Door that only find purpose to their miserable lives by bad mouthing the US...

There, there. We are just jealous of US exceptionalism.

[Neo]

Don't shoot the messenger Rick, but in the UK we don't need three police officers with guns to shoot dead a 17 year old girl with a knife, in fact we can arrest actual dangerous criminals without using guns and without killing anyone.

[Cujo]

Don't shoot the messenger Rick, but in the UK we don't need three police officers with guns to shoot dead a 17 year old girl with a knife, in fact we can arrest actual dangerous criminals without using guns and without killing anyone.

Yes but the British cops aren't cowardly chickenshits.
That should be the next thread.