Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Territorial acquisition is a dangerous game to start playing. The world has moved on from the age of annexation and invasion.

Clinton has compared this to Germany in 1930s. There are some parallels. Being sore about having lost territories in the break-up of the soviet union. Annexing neighbouring territory on the grounds of protecting your ethnic clan. Promising that you are finished when there are many other Russian ethnic groups in other neighbouring territories.

The psychology of Putin is a worry. He has a bit of a narcissistic personality cult about him which is a warning sign for a leader who has the potential to cause a lot of misery through ego driven confrontation.

I hope the world can show a united front when it comes to sanctions to see if we are able to control bad behaviour without military force.

Originally Posted by Looper

I hope the world can show a united front when it comes to sanctions to see if we are able to control bad behaviour without military force.

...just like the world showed against the US's agression, land grabs, regime change, mass murder through illegal wars, backing, financing, arming a state who is all about land grabbing .....

Putin is not great, but compared to the yanks and their lapdogs in London, he's a saint.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Looper

I hope the world can show a united front when it comes to sanctions to see if we are able to control bad behaviour without military force.

...just like the world showed against the US's agression, land grabs, regime change, mass murder through illegal wars, backing, financing, arming a state who is all about land grabbing .....

Putin is not great, but compared to the yanks and their lapdogs in London, he's a saint.

I heard he eats nails for breakfast.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

...just like the world showed against the US's agression, land grabs, regime change, mass murder through illegal wars, backing, financing, arming a state who is all about land grabbing .....

Putin is not great, but compared to the yanks and their lapdogs in London, he's a saint.

A greed the US is out control for a long time now and for sure the people of the state is not in charge by governing by the laws of the their own.

^Just recently I have seen on Internet some media (not the MSM) mentioned 70 years CIA founding. And some of them listed infamous actions over the years, not really very pleasant events. I was afraid to mention some of them here, not to be banned for life...

I don't consider Vladimir Putin as dangerous at all, and frankly given the events and circumstances his 'land grab' in Crimea was largely common sense. It is inane spluttering from our side that risks worsening the issue, I get the idea that is exactly what the foreign policy hawks want actually. Maybe they feel their war budget is under threat, or Nato's raison d'etre fading.

Ukraine & the west are just gonna have to get used to the fact Ukraine does not include Crimea- and I think the main result of stoking the issue will be that the chorus calling for eastern Ukraine to secede too, will just get louder. Putin seems to be content not to stoke this issue- for now.

Originally Posted by sabang

I don't consider Vladimir Putin as dangerous at all, and frankly given the events and circumstances his 'land grab' in Crimea was largely common sense. It is inane spluttering from our side that risks worsening the issue, I get the idea that is exactly what the foreign policy hawks want actually. Maybe they feel their war budget is under threat, or Nato's raison d'etre fading.

Ukraine & the west are just gonna have to get used to the fact Ukraine does not include Crimea- and I think the main result of stoking the issue will be that the chorus calling for eastern Ukraine to secede too, will just get louder. Putin seems to be content not to stoke this issue- for now.

I guess by your way of thinking the rest of the world should just accept all the other good things about little vlad too. Shooting down of commercial a/c. Murderiys rampage of political opponents. War crimes in the Ukraine.

If there is an anti Christ, vlad is his anal passage.

Nothing goes on in that region without Putin knowing, approving and supporting it. End of.

Hopefully this grub gets what's coming and fast.

Didn't the Crimeans themselves vote unanimously to be part of Russia?

I'm a fan of Putin, he's a shrewd operator and doesn't take shit. Like Tony Soprano said, 'don't fuck with the Russians'.

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Would it all be cool bananas?

Originally Posted by Looper

Like Tony Soprano said

Interesting that you should bring up Tony Soprano. Putin is acting like a petty gangster. Fun to watch on TV but when they are in charge of a large nearly G7 nation it is not so funny I think.

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Historically, they [the West/any power] have annexed a good chunk of the world - in one form or another.

Yet, it's perfectly overlooked when the "good guys" take part, isn't it?
Come on Loop, get real.....

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Would it all be cool bananas?

Originally Posted by Looper

Like Tony Soprano said

Interesting that you should bring up Tony Soprano. Putin is acting like a petty gangster. Fun to watch on TV but when they are in charge of a large nearly G7 nation it is not so funny I think.

Loopy looper:

Originally Posted by vr6onlysiam

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Would it all be cool bananas?

Originally Posted by Looper

Like Tony Soprano said

Interesting that you should bring up Tony Soprano. Putin is acting like a petty gangster. Fun to watch on TV but when they are in charge of a large nearly G7 nation it is not so funny I think.

Loopy looper:

Libya
Iraq
Afghanistan
..... well I guess they did not annex only a chunk, but simply destroyed all infrastructure, murdered thousand of civilians, implanted their central banking system and puppet governments.... and not forgetting the US government in Ukraine that the ethnic Russians are not so happy about.

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Would it all be cool bananas?

Originally Posted by Looper

Like Tony Soprano said

Interesting that you should bring up Tony Soprano. Putin is acting like a petty gangster. Fun to watch on TV but when they are in charge of a large nearly G7 nation it is not so funny I think.

The US has already annexed chunks of other countries, mate! Been doing it for years and it is ongoing. Remember Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, the Phillipines, Okinawa, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guam, Diego Garcia, the Marshall Islands, Saudi Arabia, Qatar?! And you can't ignore all the regime changes that the US has, or is in the process of, initiating all around the world. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuala!!!

Putin isn't the worry for the world! The biggest threat to world peace are those raving lunatics in the White House and their hangers on in Israel, NATO and the UN!! Absolute thugs!!

Originally Posted by 9999

Didn't the Crimeans themselves vote unanimously to be part of Russia?

yes they did - over 90% of them.

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence? Would it all be cool bananas?

What like afghanistan or Iraq

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence? Would it all be cool bananas?

What like afghanistan or Iraq

Hadn't realized those were now US territories, when did that happen? I was certain they had their own citizen elected governments in place and everything. Damn! wha da you know? Learn something new every day.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence? Would it all be cool bananas?

What like afghanistan or Iraq

Hadn't realized those were now US territories, when did that happen? I was certain they had their own citizen elected governments in place and everything. Damn! wha da you know? Learn something new every day.

Hadn't realized those were US territories?

Wonder what the families and friends of the million Iraqis and Afghani people you've slaughtered feel about that?

To do that sick shit - you obviously think you rule the place.

Actions speak louder than words.

"there own elected governments"


elected by who - Halliburton?

Go back to sleep America.

Why don't we just call Crimea the Puerto Rico of Russia.

In 1948, it granted Puerto Ricans the right to elect their own governor. In 1952, under request by the United States, a local territorial constitution was adopted and ratified by the electorate. Under the tenets of the Puerto Rico Federal Relations Act, Puerto Ricans are still subject to the plenary jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, and the island continues as a U.S. territory.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why don't we just call Crimea the Puerto Rico of Russia.

In 1948, it granted Puerto Ricans the right to elect their own governor. In 1952, under request by the United States, a local territorial constitution was adopted and ratified by the electorate. Under the tenets of the Puerto Rico Federal Relations Act, Puerto Ricans are still subject to the plenary jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, and the island continues as a U.S. territory.

Puerto Ricans love the states, there are more here than in their own country and they get all the benefits and freedoms of a US citizen to travel etc. not to mention all the perks of welfare and so on but without the taxes.

They have had both votes on legal secession and becoming a state and prefer the current standing, no one holds them by force of any kind.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence? Would it all be cool bananas?

What like afghanistan or Iraq

Shag nailed it. As an American -and Imperialist aggressor- I am eligible to receive a share of the loot. Lemesee, one divided by 45.675 trillion =.... ?

Wha da ya mean I only get $1.25?

I love this forum; bitching about the USA gives purpose to some posters lives

Originally Posted by Looper

Territorial acquisition is a dangerous game to start playing. The world has moved on from the age of annexation and invasion.

I'm not a fan of Putin. I don't like him.

But the situation is....Crimea.

Can he get away with it military, politically, and diplomatically? Yes.

Clinton has compared this to Germany in 1930s. There are some parallels.

Here we go again: "nazi." "Hitler." "1930s Germany."

There is not a single similarity.

could this have anything to do with the price of chips

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Originally Posted by Yasojack

could this have anything to do with the price of chips

After Ukrainian coup Obama wants to sell US gas to Europe - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

Most likely Jack.

Originally Posted by 9999

Didn't the Crimeans themselves vote unanimously to be part of Russia?

Yes. When they were handed over to the Ukraine SSR by the USSR in 1954 no vote. Putin just fixing that oversight. Very Democratic of him.