Because he sees HoHo doing it all the time and thinks it's clever, because he's HoHo's fawning little puppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
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Because he sees HoHo doing it all the time and thinks it's clever, because he's HoHo's fawning little puppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
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Never suggested myself that, THE LORD, has such attributes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
'arrys the serial accuser, not I. He's your "whistle down the wind" practitioner.
"Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine, 1826:
Surely someone who can whistle down the wind this painful weakness of his nature ... is an anomaly, not a man."
Ask arry to put up his evidence.
ln a defensive mode only, or do you have some offensive examples to share with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Here is wiki's list:
List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia
Syria . . . to name just oneQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Ukraine
Chechnya
Need I go on?
That, OhOh, is what you call being pwned
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Yea, didn't need that to bolster my point as you did it all by yourself
^Syria is a defensive operation. Vs Sunni Islamic Jihadists, many foreign.
Ukraine also, albeit two pronged- the overwhelming Referendum victory in Crimea, and the rather messy low grade in Russian east Ukraine, following the coup.
Chechnya- a war vs Islamic separatists and notorious gangsters.
Putin comes across as the good guy. I'm getting all gooey.
That's an American ideal - I doubt that Syria or the other groups pose a danger to mother RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by sabang
That's close to being creepy :)Quote:
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No point.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
The list is of wars involving Russia, no breakdown into offensive or defensive.
I can see we disagree on the definition of "defensive use of ones military".
The "other groups" are being and will be redeployed, by their backers, wherever it is deemed appropriate to extend the fictitious "War on Terror".Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
How many of the "other groups", have the governments of OZ, NZ or Malaysia offered "safe haven" to?
How about you stay on topic for a change instead of deflecting in your usual manner?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
However, not so righteous war that has been progressing now in Afghanistan, Iraq, not to mention the many ones before (also utmost righteous), chai mai?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
The other thing you can do when you have an iron grip on the country and have hand picked your lawmakers:
"Useful for society, for our citizens" = "Fucking great for me and fuck anyone who opposes me".Quote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin laid out a path Tuesday to staying in power after 2024, as lawmakers approved sweeping reforms to the constitution.
\In a surprise address to the lower house State Duma, Putin said there could be a presidential "reset" allowing him to run after his current term expires.
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This would be possible... if the constitutional court rules such an amendment would not go against (the constitution)," he said.
Putin appeared before the Duma after lawmakers proposed a series of amendments to a package of constitutional reforms he announced in January.
Among them was an amendment annulling previous presidential terms -- effectively allowing Putin to run again after his current six-year term ends in 2024.
"These amendments are long overdue, they are needed, and I am sure they will be useful for society, for our citizens," 67-year-old Putin told lawmakers.
Putin lays out path to staying in power | AFP.com
If he's the great Russian patriot he claims, he should be thinking about succession. Look at Tito before him- once he kicked the bucket, Yugoslavia disintegrated.
I agree
You always make me lough:smileylaughing:
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Why they do not learn from others where they have every 4, 8 years a new one who will make the country great again?
Because snarky, sophomoric deflection doesn't belong in a mature discussion. But yes, why don't they learn from othersQuote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Try discussing the on topic opinions posted, rather cowering behind such a flimsy defences.Quote:
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The topic is the fate/human rights .... of the "millions of women and children", allegedly.
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Much more "democratic" to hand the reins down to one's groomed wife, son, daughter .... or simply promise obedience to those that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
If the parliament offers the opportunity, which it appears to posses, to change the Russian constitution, stand for re-election against all competitors, .... the Russian voters will decide. There is an opportunity for others to participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Or the hidden hand of the counting machines/humans/assassins/corrupt grandees/zillionaires.
As "others", elsewhere, portray as democracy.
"Great Russian patriot" = "Murderous thieving ex-spook".Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
...how to run down the country and the trustful world either within the same 30 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Perhaps, he should listen to the wise ladies serving in the high positions (in case they really said it, who would believe it)
(another lady in such position mad much worse remarks about Mr.P.)
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That Madeleine Albright, former U.S. Secretary of State, said that it is not fair that Russia possesses such vast natural resources. Variants of the quotes attributed to her include:
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“How is it fair if a territory like Siberia belongs to only one country?”
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“It is terribly unfair for Russia to have so much of the world’s natural resources.”
Did Madeleine Albright Ever Covet Siberia?Quote:
Source: Various media including Kommersant and Rossiiskaya Gazeta
FALSE
...unless you believe in mind-reading
There is no record that Albright ever made such a remark, and she has denied ever saying it. But for roughly a decade the former U.S. Secretary of State’s alleged designs on Siberia’s resource wealth have been repeated as fact by Russian media outlets, bloggers, and some top officials, including National Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev last year, children’s rights ombudsman Pavel Astakhov in 2013, and Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin in 2012.
The claim has come up at two of President Vladimir Putin’s big set-piece annual events. In 2007, when asked about it in his annual call-in program, Putin said he was “not familiar with Mrs Albright’s statement, but I know some politicians have ideas like this in their heads.” And at his December 2014 annual press conference, Putin said Moscow had often heard officials say that “It is unfair that all of Siberia and its vast resources belong to Russia,” before implying that those officials were American. (Video at around the 37-minute mark)
The Siberia remark is often rolled out as evidence of a U.S. plan to weaken Russia in order to seize its resources. Sometimes it’s attributed not to Albright, but to a more recent U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice -- or simply to the United States, as when Patrushev said in January that Washington “believes that Russia possesses [its mineral resources] undeservingly.”
It's good that you're 'talking' to yourself, though a bit worryingQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
It's the type of forum conversation method.
Nothing can replace sitting in some comfy chairs with a table, beers or not, for the ultimate conversation.:)
Cannot disagree with you on thatQuote:
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Originally Posted by Klondyke
The bitch found it fair to indirectly kill 500000 children in Iraq
"It was worth it"
^And another "worth" she got materialized for herself in Kosovo...
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One wonders which countries exist where governments do not have such arrangements.The stone is rolling, with no moss stuck to it, so far.
Next stop the regions: Russian lawmakers approve final bill on amendments to constitution
"Russian legislators have given the final nod to a package of constitutional amendments proposed by President Vladimir Putin, which include giving sweeping new powers to parliament and tightening background checks on top officials. During the third and final reading in the State Duma on Wednesday, parliamentarians passed the bill amending Russia’s basic law in a 383-0 vote with 43 abstentions – all MPs from the opposition Communist Party.
The amendments then went to the upper house – the Federation Council – where 160 members voted yes, while one objected and three others abstained.
The only member of the body who voted no was the representative from the Irkutsk region Vyacheslav Markhaev, of the Communist Party. Three more abstained - Lyudmila Narusova (Tuva), Vasily Ikonnikov (Oryol Oblast) and Valery Usatyuk (Khakassia). The latter pair are also Communist Party members.
Now the law will be sent to the regions for their consideration: It must be supported by at least two-thirds of regional parliaments, according to the rules.
Assuming this is successful, the Federation Council is set to meet again on Saturday to approve these decisions.
Once the complex list of procedures is completed, Putin must then forward the proposed changes to the Constitutional Court, which will have seven days to decide whether or not they are contrary to Russia’s principal law. If the court green-lights the bill, it's scheduled be put to a nationwide vote on April 22, a one-off public holiday in Russia.
The constitutional amendments will come into effect if a majority of voters on the day support them. The president is then obliged to order the amended Constitution to be published, also setting the date when the entire document becomes valid.
The amendments involve, among other things, shifting some presidential powers to the Duma, restricting the president’s time in office to two overall terms, going forward, and banning officials from having foreign citizenship.
They also set the minimum wage above the basic cost of living, endorse traditional marriage between and a man and woman as solely legitimate and officially proclaim modern Russia the successor to the Soviet Union."
Next stop the regions: Russian lawmakers approve final bill on amendments to constitution — RT Russia News
It appears to be a 6 step process, of which two have been completed.
Step three requires two thirds of the regional parliaments agreement.
Step four requires the Russian Constitutional Court to decide they are not contrary to Russia's Principle Law.
Step five requires it be put to a nationwide vote on April 22, a one-off public holiday in Russia. (No mention of any requirement, so presumably 50+ %)
Step six the president is then obliged toorder the amended Constitution to be published and set the date for it's validity. ( One presumes the date could be before or after the date of the next required Presidential election.)
Putin on Current Global Markets Turmoil: It Creates Not Only Problems, But Also Opportunities
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Monday's stock market drop was the worst correction since the 2008 financial crisis, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average seeing its largest-ever single day point drop in history, and oil futures shedding 20 percent amid jitters over coronavirus and OPEC+'s failure to reach a deal on production cuts.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has commented on the turmoil in global markets, including energy, saying the current processes create not only problems, but also opportunities.
"I'm not just hoping - I'm confident that Russia will go through this turbulent period with dignity and a sense of calm. Moreover, there is every chance for key Russian industries to come out of this situation much stronger and prepared for further, very serious competition. This, of course, should have an impact on the entire Russian economy, and be reflected in a positive way," Putin said, speaking to investors at his Novo Ogarevo residence outside Moscow on Wednesday.
According to Putin, the government and Russia's Central Bank have the resources to maintain stability, and their main task is to minimize the negative economic effects of the market crisis on ordinary citizens. The president added that the state would do everything necessary to guarantee the safety of national and foreign investments in Russia, and to minimize investment risks.
Putin made the comments before bankers and representatives of investment firms including Altera Capital, RTR-Global, Almaz Capital Partners, VTB Bank, Yandex and the Russian Direct Investment Fund, with Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin also in attendance.
On Tuesday, Russia's Finance Ministry indicated that it did not expect an economic recession as a result of the global market downturn, and said that it had mechanisms in place to account for the loss of oil and gas budget revenues. The Ministry also calculated that the country's sovereign wealth fund has accumulated enough liquidity in the form of $150 billion in assets to compensate for lower revenues from oil even if prices remained at the $25-$30 a barrel mark for the next six to ten years.
Tuesday trading saw the Moscow Exchange Index drop by 10 percent, with major Russian companies including Rosneft, Gazprom, Lukoil, Nornikel, Alrosa, Sberbank and VTB Bank seeing share price drops of between 8.5-14 percent. The ruble also took a hit, dropping from 68 rubles to the dollar on Friday to 72 on Tuesday. A weaker ruble exchange rate means higher prices for imports such as automobiles, electronics, clothing, household appliances, pharmaceuticals and industrial equipment, but also opportunities for Russian industries in the domestic and export markets.
Global markets took a major beating on Monday amid coronavirus fears and the collapse of the OPEC+ agreement on production cuts, reportedly amid disagreements between Russia and Saudi Arabia on whether further cuts on top of existing 2.1 million barrel per day (bpd) cuts were necessary. Moscow reportedly refused to support an additional 1.5 million bpd cut proposed by Riyadh, prompting the kingdom to abolish restrictions, announce a discount on its April futures and declare a readiness to boost oil production to up to 13 million barrels per day, up from 9.7 million barrels per day currently."
https://sputniknews.com/business/202003111078536339-putin-on-current-global-markets-turmoil-it-creates-not-only-problems-but-also-opportunities/
No finger pointing at others, no blame of foreigners. Just direction and planning. Compare and contrast in so many situations with the other alleged, "world leaders".
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Amen:tumbs:Quote:
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Most others don't either . . . you (and Klondyke) should stop insinuating all the time and just name them/say what's on your mind. It's neither clever nor mysterious, it just sounds rather dim. This is a discussion area . . . a written one, so your form of 'subtlety' doesn't translateQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Indeed, that's what reasonable people understand and appreciate: caring for that what needs to be care for, without blaming others. Even in the difficult conditions imposed by others.Quote:
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As somebody remarked here lately: he is the only adult in this situation.
The problem is that they live in their own little whacky world, so fuck knows what they're on about most of the time.Quote:
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Most of the world's countries are not "world leaders". That rules out most of Asia, Africa, ME and South America along with the non-EU European countries.Quote:
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Agree?
They aren't an ever changing list. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Here's me thinking some posters have knowledge of their own systems. Ah well.
Here is one list, probably the G6/G8 countries, plus a few Asian neighbours. Add more if you wish
All have ability, some with foreign approval, to revise their constitution.
In the "owned" corner:
UK - foreign government approved security, government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
EU - foreign government approved security, government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Canada - foreign government approved "head of state", government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Ameristan - government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Oz - foreign government approved security, foreign government approved "head of state", government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
NZ - foreign government approved "head of state", government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Japan - foreign government approved security, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
South Korea - foreign government approved security, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Hong Kong - foreign government approved security, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Taiwan - foreign government approved security, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
In the "independent's" corner:
Russia - government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
China - government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
Non "world leaders:
Iran - government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
North Korea - government approved law makers, government managed crisis committees, government managed financial systems.
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Depends on how you quantify it - still, just say what you are trying to cleverly be 'mysterious' about. As I said, a forum like this, or generally a written form of discourse, doesn't lend itself to insinuations . . . you said yourself that the best method of exchanging thoughts is sitting together with a beer . . . discussing.Quote:
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Fucking hell, are you having trouble sleeping PH?Quote:
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If the Russians prefer a Czarist system of governance then let them have it. Democratic systems are messy and have their downsides, as well, but I am glad I chose to live in a country that nominally has that system (or at least pays lip service to it, mostly).
Unless, or until, humans get their shit together and form a one world government (democratically based, hopefully) then the untold suffering and inequity, wars and refugees, famines and exploitation, will continue.
Regardless of who is the leader of whichever powerful nation state is topic of the day, the world is f*cked for now.
To analyse the Putin phenomenon, you have to look at the situation following the collapse of the Berlin Wall, when Russia entered a period of virtual anarchy. I believe average male life expectancy dropped by close to a decade (puts this CV in perspective). Corruption, gangsterism and widespread alcoholism were the hallmarks of "newly democratic" Russia. The most successful of the corrupt, who played the cronyism game well, are todays Russian oligarchs. Others are dead. Putin, if I recall correctly, took over from that notorious drunk Boris Yeltsin.
In short, a strong leader was needed to sort the situation out, and get Russia back on track. No easy task, given the sheer size and diversity of that great nation, and the entrenched criminal networks rising to the very top. Enter Putin. He did so, and is credited with doing so by the Russian people. In the process, he restored their national pride. Hence his enduring popularity, which no western leader comes close to emulating. Naturally he has his enemies, and some of them have come to sticky ends, but they are far outnumbered by his fan club.
2018 Russian presidential election
Results
The final results of the elections were approved by the CEC on 23 March 2018.[162]
Candidate Party Votes % Vladimir Putin
Independent
56,430,712
76.69
Pavel Grudinin Communist Party 8,659,206 11.77 Vladimir Zhirinovsky Liberal Democratic Party 4,154,985 5.65 Ksenia Sobchak Civic Initiative 1,238,031 1.68 Grigory Yavlinsky Yabloko 769,644 1.05 Boris Titov Party of Growth 556,801 0.76 Maxim Suraykin Communists of Russia 499,342 0.68 Sergey Baburin Russian All-People's Union 479,013 0.65 Invalid/blank votes 791,258 1.08 Total 73,578,992 100.00 Registered voters/turnout 109,008,428 67.50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Russian_presidential_election#Results
Vladimir Putin's approval rating in Russia 2000-2020
Published by Statista Research Department, Mar 11, 2020
In February 2020, 69 percent of Russians approved of activities of the Russian president Vladimir Putin. In the previous year, the rating sharply fell to 65 percent. One of the reasons behind the decline were the pension reform and a retirement age hike, named the major domestic event of the year.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/
Down 7% after two years. Possibly enough for the Constitutional changes?
Putin is gold, and the best European leader out thereQuote:
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Exactly the impression one can create when one controls the media, bans opposition gatherings, and executes critics.
Putin relies on the feeble minded to continue his autocracy and institutional theft.
Gullible twat.Quote:
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Here's one of many videos of Putin's "Supporters" doing a bit of "voting".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oSeRyaFllY